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I think You should be aware of some things about this page. Monisha Shah has been deleted twice here on English Wikipedia. After the first deletion, User:Djm-leighpark (who created the Monisha Shah page on Hindi Wikipedia) asked for a deletion review. Djm-leighpark made a new draft and it was approved on March 11. It was nominated for deletion on March 28.

Djm-leighpark took the page here and translated it to Hindi word for word probably using Google translate. He did not provide a link to the page here. He did not include all of the source that were used here. He did not find any new Hindi sources. Please see Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Monisha_Shah_page_on_Hindi_Wikipedia. He is not answering my questions, but I suspect that he is not able to access the text of at least one of the four sources that he used as a reference. Djm-leighpark has posted a message which seems designed to get more people involved in the deletion discussion at Hindi Wikipedia. I do not understand Djm-leighpark's focus on Monisha Shah, but it is clear that something unusual is going on. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 03:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Polycarpa aurata This article was made on Hindi Wikipedia by translating them from English, it will be removed as soon as the discussion is over, the policy of Hindi Wikipedia is very different from English Wikipedia, anyway, this article did not live up to the policies of notability, so I will refer it to Wikipedia Nominated for early removal/discussion, there is no proof of this article being notable in many of the links given by it.Aviram7 (talk) 04:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aviram7, welcome to English Wikipedia, and it is very likely your English is far better than any of the (non-English) languages I have used, or tried to use, with people form the Indian subcontinent during my working life, and I am very guilty myself. However I do have problems with your response above. The first point is I would expect the action taken at the end of the 7-day period to be that reached by consensus at the end of the discussion, and the opening of a discussion does not automatically mean deletion as you have implied here. I also read that, possibly incorrectly, that by !Nominated for early removal" you about to initiate an an early close, which would be the equivalent of an WP:CSD there. I am totally in agreement that article is unfit for mainspace as is and I had a plan to achieve fitness, what is here called a WP:HEY, on a three stage process. The Cost/risk/benefit of prioritising that goal with a early removal shotgun is not good in my current situation at this time with my commmitments; the early removal on Hind wikipedia allows for a drafticiation option for further development anyway: and to a degree it was my incompetence on a tool which lead to a mainspace rather than draft creation. I had come to the deletion discussion of Monisha Shah had not been rightfully notified to the India Wikiipedia project for which I took a somewhat risky unblock request from admin BusterD for to ensure was in place which enabled that discussion to a more widespread audience to help that discussion have any avoidance of claims on systemic bias again Indian subcontinent individuals, due to the minimal notification before close that was not really achieved. In all events I may be looking her brother Samir Shah to be translated to the Hindi Wikipedia, that also being the country of his birth, and he is likely to be more respected for a number of reasons. (I apologise as I am in a rush, distracted, much planned for tomorrow, so my mistyping and English prose is likely to be very poor especially to a possible non native speaker). Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On your user homepage you have written " if you want help For you can use {{{helpme}} template on member talks, because I started monetizing {{Helpme}} template, so that other members can edit or solve any other problem". Especially as you claim association with WMF & WMI (and that is entirely honourable and I have not reason whatsoever to doubt that) can you please explain clearly what you mean by "monetizing {{Helpme}}", It has been troubling all day, and perhaps it is just the way it is written makes something totally reasonable appear somewhat unreasonable. But I'm not sure monetizing help sits well with me ( I am a somewhat cynical guy and when a salesperson says how can I help you I take that as please tell me how I can sell you something and maximize my personal wealth). I am rambling worse than a heifer looking for a bull. Thankyou. ~#~~— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talk • contribs)

@Djm-leighpark: You are going through this misery, I do not know that but the reason for your sadness is in my opinion Monisha Shah Maybe, not only your articles on Hindi Wikipedia have been removed, but I have also been removed, you should not be sad but you should participate in that discussion and prove your worth, if the Administrators wants, they will not remove that article, it will be up to them to decide what it is, my Talking about helping, I have not done any wrong thing, helping people should be the main responsibility of every person, if I had not nominated him for discussion, then some other User would have done it..Aviram7 (talk) 03:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aviram7: I have a fairly strong awareness of the deletion discussion on Monisha Shah on the Hindi Wikipedia and rules of engagement there and the effort needed to get the article to state where I could reasonably challenge to keep the article in mainspace or present a WP:THREE argument or equivalent against deletion. But the above section was about Shah and her article, this section is about your monetizing the {{Helpme}} statement on your current homepage 23159765 on the English Wikipedia, and while I appreciate your helpfulness and advice the monetizing aspect has been missed, or at worst case deliberately evaded. I realize you were given a rough ride here by a vandalizing IP a few days ago and I truly believe you are likely be really useful contributor here even if it is not your native Wikipedia which can make it more difficult but I am really grateful if the monetizing aspect on your home page can be explained. At present I am wondering if it might mean that if I emailed you offering money that you might be willing to put me in touch with people who might help me save the Monisha Shah article and I AGF there is likely some other appropriate explanation I have missed and the phrasing is just an important ambiguity. Please can you, or someone, elaborate on the explanation of the monetizing. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 05:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Djm-leighpark: I was from surveillance and not monetization on that page I would like to apologize for this, although I selflessly edit Wikipedia, it was my ignorance to write monetization of surveillance on that article, which I have corrected, I do wikipedia tax I am not an editor for writing articles, yes it is easy for me to work on Hindi Wikipedia, but I prefer to contribute only on Hindi Wikipedia because it is my home Wikipedia and its language is my mother tongue, I know English , but I am not very proficient in it, I do not know any such person on Hindi Wikipedia who makes articles with money.Aviram7 (talk) 05:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aviram7: Thankyou very much for that explanation, and sorry for troubling you. There are some problems here with people offering to do undeclared paid editing and I wished to totally ensure you were not involved in that. I think the change to your home page looks much better. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Djm-leighpark: My aim is only to remove vandalism from wikipedia, remove clean promotion from article, remove spam link and create article on wikipedia, i have been associated with wikipedia for only 6 months, you are accusing me of taking money and writing articles on wikipedia become? I do not have any special connection with the English Wikipedia, tell me what I have to do to prove my honesty, I know that I am an honest and dedicated User of Wikipedia.Aviram7 (talk) 06:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aviram7: You do not need to do anything. Djm-leighpark is a bully. He tried to do the same to me. Polycarpa aurata ([[User talk:}|talk]]) 14:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Polycarpa aurata: Accusing me of being a bully is a personal attack. Are you going to retract? Or shall we visit ANI or something for you to shout there. Likely result would be offer of a two-way n-fault T-tban with a voluntary T-ban on yourself on Samir Shah and family. I'm happy for a COIN to be formally raised on any involvement I may have to clarify matters. Thankyou. 19:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aviram7: You seem to have realized that you used "monetizing" rather the "monitoring" that you intended on the talk page. I illustrated a possible issue that created, and that led you to an improved version of your user page with monitor so any suggestion of monetizing {{Helpme}} is off the talk which was my concern and am pleased you have fixed it. If you feel there remains a problem there is ANI or maybe ask the friendly Liz. Your WMI & WMF may carry some responsibilities and make you a target. Best wishes and to be explicitly clear I am totally cool with you and do not believe you are involved in inappropriate monetizing. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Djm-leighpark: You tried to bully me when I made a single edit to your Monisha Shah page. You're trying to bully Aviram7 because they asked for the Google-translated Hindi version to be deleted. You're not the first person to try and bully me since I started here and I won't stand for it. If you wish to start a discussion on ANI I will be happy to provide evidence of both your bullying and your misdeeds on Monisha Shah. Now please leave Aviram7 alone. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Djm-leighpark bullying. Thank you. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:50, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]