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As it stands, there is little comment on how general society currently views pedophilia in the lead, as is written about in the "Society and Culture" section of the article. It seems appropriate to summarize this section in a sentence(s) the the end of the lead, perhaps commenting on the following topics: stigma, anti-pedophile activism, and advocacy Ruyter - talk 01:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The assertion of the fact that pedophilia is "incurable" is flimsy at best.I would recommend a re-evaluation of this point to include reference to at least two or more sources, or else support removal of the assertion, as being highly contentious without having merit of the general scientific community. 71.91.178.54 (talk) 06:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree. I will give seven days for objections before I make the edit. USN007 (talk) 06:53, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And you will be reverted on that edit, per the fact that there is no known cure for pedophilia and the experts are clear that it is unlikely to be cured. We follow what the WP:Reliable sources, especially WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, state on the topic of pedophilia. Not your personal opinions. You also do not help your case by being a new, suspicious account showing up to this article out of nowhere to agree with an IP three minutes after the IP's post. Surely, you should have learned by now that WP:Socks do not get far at this article or any other pedophilia-related or child sexual abuse-related article on this site. And do spare me any talk of biting you as a newbie or falsely accusing you. I've been right on socks every single time regarding this article. Goodbye. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Always nice when a sock would agree with themself. DMacks (talk) 00:50, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There has been a lot a recent research examining men with pedophilia who self-report that they have not had sexual contact with a child. I wonder about adding a section to the Pedophilia Wikipedia page that provides an outline of what we currently know about pedophilia in non-offending samples and the characteristics that differentiate men with pedophilia who have and have not committed a sexual offence. Part of this new section could also focus on what we know about those with a sexual interest in children, without a focus on offending vs. not offending (i.e., basic sex research findings).Ian V. McPhail (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian V. McPhail (talk • contribs) 21:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For instance, such a section could provide details from Mike Bailey's recent paper looking at sexual attraction patterns in men with pedophilic interests:

http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-47529-006

Bailey, J. M., Hsu, K. J., & Bernhard, P. A. (2016). An Internet study of men sexually attracted to children: Sexual attraction patterns. Journal of abnormal psychology, 125(7), 976.

Or, Kevin Hsu's recent paper on autopedophilia.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797616677082

Hsu, K. J., & Bailey, J. M. (2017). Autopedophilia: erotic-target identity inversions in men sexually attracted to children. Psychological science, 28(1), 115-123.

My point here is that the research on community (i.e., non-forensic) samples of pedophilic individuals is growing and will continue to grow over the coming years. To provide the public with up to date information on pedophilia, these research findings should be included on this wikipedia page.Ian V. McPhail (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian V. McPhail (talk • contribs) 22:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I am happy to help by adding information about research, advocacy, and clinical organizations that work with or support this population. Jeremy Malcolm (talk) 22:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "non-offending pedophilia section." Nor should there be, since non-offending pedophile material is relevant to more than one section in the article. So having such a section would make it seem as though all of the non-offending pedophile material is in one section, when it's not, and it would likely result in redundancy by having some of the same non-offending pedophile material in that section and in others. As for the sources you cite, we should stick to WP:MEDRS-compliant sources. This means generally avoiding WP:Primary sources and certain other types of sources. Read WP:MEDRS and WP:Primary sources. There are already enough primary sources in the article that I need to replace with secondary or tertiary sources. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can tell, the advice is that "Primary sources should generally not be used for medical content". "Generally" is a broad guideline, but in the absence of systematic reviews, primary scientific journals are a good way of providing the available evidence. There is one secondary source, an article titled "Non-offending pedophiles" in Current Sexual Health Reports, that I co-authored that reviews *some* of this literature, but beyond this there are no secondary sources discussing this emerging body of literature. So I can't see replacing these primary with secondary sources.

One problem with this wikipedia article is that it conflates child sexual abuse and pedophilia, for instance, in the Cognitive behavior therapy section, the following sentence (and reference) "A 2012 Cochrane Review of randomized trials found that CBT had no effect on risk of reoffending for contact sex offenders" applies to sexual offenders and is not specific to the treatment of pedophilic interest. From a different angle than the one I originally presented, some of the work I can recommend would be to make this article internally consistent and make sure when discussing research, Wiki editors do not use research on sexual offenders that does not focus on or measure the pedophilic status of those offenders, to describe pedophilic individuals.

As well, my original suggestion, if a section to itself would not be appropriate, could be revised to be a suggestion that this emerging body of evidence be integrated into the existing sections. For example, the Personality traits section, one could include the following reference and describe the traits in non-offending and offending pedophilic men: ^[1]

My overall point is that this article is focused on forensic research (generally speaking) to the detriment of more recent sexological research and conflates pedophilia with sexual offending against children. It would be a service to readers to update the page with this research, even if there are no secondary sources, and to remove instances of conflation.Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:08, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Editors unfamiliar with the WP:MEDRS guideline and who are looking to add primary sources always look to the "generally" part of the guideline, which is why that part of the guideline is bolded and certain editors are looking to make the guideline stricter. See what WP:MEDPRI states about why we avoid primary sources when we can. Among other things, it states, "If material can be supported by either primary or secondary sources – the secondary sources should be used. Primary sources may be presented together with secondary sources." Now read the rest of the guideline, the sections that follow that one. I have always been for "generally" remaining, but you and others who insist on using primary sources instead of secondary or tertiary sources, including any review articles that might be available, do not help your case. I will not be surprised if the guideline eventually removes "generally," even though it's a guideline and not a policy. I'd only need to make one trip to WP:Med about any extra primary source material being added to this article, and the primary sourced material would be reverted. On top of that, we might get an editor being overzealous about the matter, forgoing WP:Preserve, and removing existing primary source material, although the topic of pedophilia is not as actively researched as a number of other topics. For less researched areas, it's why WP:MEDDATE states, "These instructions are appropriate for actively researched areas with many primary sources and several reviews and may need to be relaxed in areas where little progress is being made or where few reviews are published." Because of the slow progress in this field, this article has relied on primary sources, but we should still try to avoid them when we can. Because I am very familiar with the literature, I can replace enough of the primary sources with secondary or tertiary sources, and preserve appropriate content (per the WP:Preserve policy). I meant to do this earlier...so that when the time came to reject more primary sources being added, no one would be able to point to the article having existing primary sources or at least not many of them. I am open to what you want to add (without a separate "Non-offending pedophilia" section), but, other than when citing the DSM-5 or ICD-10, we need to try to stick to good academic book sources on the matter or reviews we can find on PubMed or on the TRIP database. If we are to use primary sources, we should try to make it sparingly.

As for conflating, there is no conflating child sexual abuse and pedophilia in this article. I and others have made sure not to do that. We even mention the conflation aspect in the lead, in the "Pedophilia and child molestation" section, and have a "Misuse of medical terminology" section. Regarding this and this, that is not a conflation. The first source is titled "Psychopathy among pedophilic and nonpedophilic child molesters" and the second source is titled "Facial and prosodic affect recognition among pedophilic and nonpedophilic criminal child molesters." Your claim that "child molester" is not in use in the scientific literature is not accurate. It's true that child molester is not preferred, but it's obviously still used by some academic (including scientific) sources on pedophilia. Like I stated when reverting you, academic sources on the topic state "child molesters," "child sexual abusers," "child sexual offenders," "nonpedophilic child molesters," and "nonpedophilic child sexual offenders." Some state "situational offenders." The text in the article stated "non-pedophilic child molesters exhibited psychopathy, but pedophiles did not" before I changed it to "non-pedophilic child sex offenders exhibited psychopathy, but pedophiles did not." Your wording of "non-pedophilic sexual offenders against children" is long-winded and unnecessary. Neither the sources nor the text is conflating child sexual abuse and pedophilia; the material is clearly distinguishing between pedophilic child sex offenders and nonpedophilic child sex offenders. The A 2012 Cochrane Review material is not an example of the article conflating pedophilia with child sexual abuse. The source mentions "disorders of sexual preference" in its first paragraph, and it's what pedophilia has been classified as before. That stated, since the source is not specifically about offending pedophiles, it and its text should be removed unless the source is clear that it's studying pedophiles and non-pedophiles. Otherwise, the Child sexual abuse article is a good fit for the material. I don't agree that the Pedophilia article is generally focused on forensic research. Well, okay, in terms of child sexual abuse, I get what you mean. We have one "Law and forensic psychology" section and cover the forensic aspect there. Yes, there is overlap in the article when discussing pedophiles and child sexual abusers, but that cannot be helped. The article is clear when it's referring to child sexual abusers instead of pedophiles who may or may not be child sexual abusers. You seem to have an issue with the article being so focused on child sexual abuse, but the literature on pedophilia is overwhelmingly focused on child sexual abuse. Like the "Pedophilia and child molestation" section states, "Little is known about [pedophiles who do not molest children] because most studies of pedophilia use criminal or clinical samples, which may not be representative of pedophiles in general." And like the "General" subsection of the "Treatment" section states, "Most categorize their participants by behavior rather than erotic age preference, which makes it difficult to know the specific treatment outcome for pedophiles." We can only follow the literature with WP:Due weight. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, Flyer22. Though I think we should be a bit more civil to stay focused on improving this wiki article. I read the secondary source Wiki material you linked, and I understand the intent of the guidelines. Though I think the research I am referring to lacks a secondary source that reviews this research. The nearest to my mind that would be a secondary source is the review article James Cantor and I wrote a few years ago, it's published in a peer-review journal^[2]. There is a reasonably sizable amount of new research into pedophilia that is missing from this wikipedia page, which I think is unfortunate and we should be open to revising this content, even if the majority of sources are primary. So the science I am referring to is (1) mostly primary sources and (2) without a secondary source (I do not think I am missing a review article, as you have charged). In this case, I would argue it is reasonable to include this research on the Pedophilia wiki page. One way forward is for me to start posting full references and links to these research studies here on the talk page, and then editors can look at these articles and we can decide where they fit in the Pedophilia page.

And just so it's clear, I'm a scientist who does a lot of research on pedophilia and sexual offending against children, see my researchgate page (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ian_Mcphail2).Ian V. McPhail (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About terminology, I always like to advocate for specificity, even if the phrasing is a bit more clumsy. In all my publications I use "sexual offender against children". As well, the journal Sexual Abuse that published the article titles, "Facial and prosodic affect recognition among pedophilic and nonpedophilic criminal child molesters", since the publication of that article in 2009, has released its intent to use person-centred language. See here: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1079063218783798 . This is not the be all and end all and mean this Wiki page has to use this language, but it does suggest that the term "child molester" is not favored.

With the Cochrane Review, I am familiar with it and it is mostly focused on the effectiveness of sexual offender treatment programs in reducing sexual recidivism. These programs are general treatment programs where the admission criterion is having been convicted of a sexual offence. These programs are not for pedophilic individuals, or even pedophilic sexual offenders, even though it is likely there is some unknown proportion of pedophilic sex offenders in each of the samples in this Cochrane review. Further to this, two studies looked at the effect of behavioral interventions for anomolous sexual behavior. In one of these studies ^[3], the majority of the men in the sample were exhibitionists or gay (15 out of 20). In the other study, 24 of 30 men in the sample had paraphilias other than pedophilia^[4]. In both these studies, the data for just the pedophilic sex offenders are not disaggregated and presented on their own (though I've skimmed through the results, but didn't see disaggregated results), so we don't know how effective these treatments were for pedophilic interest. Taken as a whole, this Cochrane Review can't actually tell us anything about the treatment of pedophilia itself and I would re-iterate that when we look at the details, I wonder whether it fits on a page devoted to pedophilia. And I just noticed you noted that this sentiment is included in the treatment section; as I point out below, making changes to the treatment section might be possible.

Instead, I think using this Cochrane Review conflates sexual offending and paraphilias (and oddly, even homosexuality), in general, with pedophilia, and probably of more value, the review leaves us no more informed as to the effectiveness of these treatments for pedophilia. Given this, do you think it should be removed to the Child Sex Abuse page? I hope the above made it clear that the devil is really in the details with this area of research. Happily, there are other review articles of treatment studies, recent ones too, that we could rely on. In addition, I know of one review article that will likely be out in the next 8-12 months. Also, I do think that this kind of slippage in language can be avoided and doing so might be a worthy aim of editing of this page. This might be another area of the Pedophilia page to work on: updating the treatment section somewhat to include only/mostly research that specifically includes only/mostly pedophilic individuals.

And last, my original suggestion, and one that I repeated above, is that there is a burgeoning literature that is not focused on criminal or clinical samples, so it might be high time to start including that literature in this page. This might help somewhat to ameliorate the issue you noted: that most of the research is focused on criminal/clinical samples, which is less and less accurate as more and more research on non-clinical/forensic samples is being published. Phew, that was a lot of writing, but I hope I've made some of my ideas and criticism clearer.Ian V. McPhail (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ian V. McPhail, I thought that you might break up my comment. Per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Interleaving replies, I ask that you don't break up my comments. As for civility, I don't see that I have been uncivil to you. Stating that you are unfamiliar with WP:MEDRS and that "you and others who insist on using primary sources instead of secondary or tertiary sources, including any review articles that might be available, do not help your case" are just statements of fact.

I understand what you mean about wording, Ian V. McPhail. But the wording you use does not trump what wording the literature as a whole uses, whether the literature uses it a lot, sometimes, or sparingly. There is no need to go with "sexual offenders against children" instead of "child sex offenders." I've already noted that the term child molester is not preferred. I have no issue with using "child sex offender" in its place, although I view it as an unnecessary change. And I do usually use "child sexual abuse" in the place of "child molestation." Also keep the WP:Conflict of interest guideline in mind, like James Cantor does when editing Wikipedia, since you are at times speaking of your own research. I've already stated that the Cochrane Review source and its material can be removed since the source is not specifically about offending pedophiles...unless the source is clear that it's studying pedophiles and non-pedophiles. I haven't read it, so I don't know. If you don't see that it's about pedophiles at all, whether it uses "pedophile" or some wording that's clear that it's talking about pedophiles as well, we can go ahead and remove it. But you also need to keep in mind that, like the Wikipedia article notes, "Little is known about [pedophiles who do not molest children] because most studies of pedophilia use criminal or clinical samples, which may not be representative of pedophiles in general." And "Most categorize their participants by behavior rather than erotic age preference, which makes it difficult to know the specific treatment outcome for pedophiles." Again, there is nothing we can do about this but follow the literature. Read WP:Due weight. We are not going to give undue weight to non-offending pedophiles, when they are barely studied. Furthermore, we only have their word that they have not offended anyway.

You stated that the effectiveness of sexual offender treatment programs in reducing sexual recidivism "are general treatment programs where the admission criterion is having been convicted of a sexual offence. These programs are not for pedophilic individuals, or even pedophilic sexual offenders, even though it is likely there is some unknown proportion of pedophilic sex offenders in each of the samples in this Cochrane review." But like you yourself stated "it is likely there is some unknown proportion of pedophilic sex offenders in each of the samples." And as mentioned by Michael Seto, cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), including relapse prevention, is used to treat pedophiles. We know that most of the research on pedophiles is on offending pedophiles (meaning those who have commited child sexual abuse). Seto states that the evidence for cognitive behavioral therapy is mixed.

As for "a burgeoning literature that is not focused on criminal or clinical samples, so it might be high time to start including that literature in this page," I repeat that I am open to including that information, but we need to try sticking to good academic book sources on the matter or reviews we can find on PubMed or the TRIP database, or some other trusted source. If we are to use primary sources, we should try to make it sparingly. And there is no problem with waiting until secondary or tertiary sources are available. But, yes, you can go ahead and list a bit of the primary research here on the talk page and we can consider including it while we wait for secondary or tertiary sources to become available. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will start a section on the Talk page that is a list of references. And just so I'm clear, Flyer22, are you the moderator of this wikipedia page? As in, do you need to approve changes? Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some (mainly pedophiles) view me as the gatekeeper, yes, LOL. But I don't own this Wikipedia article. No one does. Decisions on Wikipedia are based on following the rules and/or WP:Consensus. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Following the rules is important for reasons noted at WP:Policies and guidelines, and WP:Consensus is important for a collaborative project such as this and to help avoid WP:Edit warring (which an editor can be WP:Blocked for). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One last thing about primary sources. The articles I will be adding are scientific articles from peer-reviewed journals, so I believe in the main, they are reliable sources. And I was reading through the Sperm Whale wikipedia page and noticed it has 238 references in total. The Pedophilia page currently has 158. Surely the Pedophilia page deserves the same reference allotment as the page on Sperm Whales... Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the way that Wikipedia works. Whale articles are not medical articles, although certain non-human animal articles or articles that are primarily about non-human animals, such as Rabies, can be a medical article and fall within WP:Med's scope. Per WP:Primary sources, "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources." Wikipedia articles are supposed to "usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources." But there are certain types of articles that will rely on primary sources more than others. Wikipedia has a stricter "avoid primary sources" take when it comes to medical articles, which is the main reason I've pointed you to WP:MEDRS. As seen by clicking on this link, I also pointed you to WP:MEDRS years ago (in 2015), and James Cantor advised you on WP:COI. Cantor also tends to point to and use primary sources, but he is at least aware of following WP:COI. Peer review, as I think you know, is not the same thing as literature review. MEDRS prefers literature reviews and the other types of sources it states as ideal for medical topics. I suggest you look at the literature reviews on pedophilia, starting with the aforementioned PubMed and TRIP database links I linked to above, and propose some material from those sources be added to the article. Per the WP:Wikipedia is a work in progress essay I linked to above, I also suggest you wait until certain aspects regarding pedophilia that you are looking to add are covered in the type of sources that WP:MEDRS prefers. Also, while pointing to other articles doing something similar or the same thing can be a valid argument, it can also be invalid. Not only is it the case that what works for one Wikipedia article might not or cannot work for another Wikipedia article, certain Wikipedia articles can be out of step with Wikipedia's rules. For example, some of our articles are completely unsourced. I will look at the sources you listed and pay to look at the WP:PAYWALL ones since I don't feel like contacting people for access, but I can't promise that I will agree to add more primary sources to the article. Like I stated, I will be aiming to replace the primary sources that I can replace. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Below are new(ish) articles that have been published in peer-review scientific journals. Some of the articles are review articles, so likely meet the secondary resource criteria, most are primary sources, but all focus on pedophilia and advancing the understanding of pedophilia. When available, I will provide a web address to an open-access full-test version of the paper so that other Wiki editors who do not have access via an institutional library service can access the articles. As well, for some of the articles I will write a short blurb underneath about the topic of the paper and how the main findings might fit into the Wiki Pedophilia page. My initial thoughts are that other editors (if you are out there) can use the talk page to present the text for how they would incorporate an articles findings into the Pedophilia page AND what section of the page they think the new information fits under. We can then come to some consensus about how to include the description into the Pedophilia page. Of course this is only a suggestion for how to proceed. Last, I will be including at least one reference that I am an author on, mainly because it is relevant. Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I should add, that let's try to keep the below list in alphabetical order. Which means other editors will be entering text between what I have entered below. If there is a better way to keep this all organized, and follows Wikipedia's rule on not splitting up other editors' text, I'm open. Ian V. McPhail (talk) 20:39, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bailey, J. M., Bernhard, P. A., & Hsu, K. J. (2016). An Internet study of men sexually attracted to children: Correlates of sexual offending against children. Journal of abnormal psychology, 125(7), 989.

-this study examines a number of correlates of offending in men with pedophilic interest Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bailey, J. M., Hsu, K. J., & Bernhard, P. A. (2016). An Internet study of men sexually attracted to children: Sexual attraction patterns. Journal of abnormal psychology, 125(7), 976.

-characteristics of pedophilia/individuals of people with pedophilia Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Text to add to main page --> In a large sample of men recruited online, pedophilic men were less attracted to adults than to children, were more likely to be attracted to females than males (regardless of age), and reported lower sexual experience and satisfaction with adult partners. They also found that 12.2% of this non-representative sample reported a conviction for a child pornography or contact sexual offense involving a child. Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Text to add to main page [in the Development and sexual orientation subsection] --> Pedophilic interest is typically realized in early to mid-adolescence. Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: There are about 4-5 other papers that report this same data: that age of realizing one's attractions are directed towards young children is around mid-adolescence. However, the Bailey study has the largest sample and a better operationalization of age of onset. Also note that I have written a "review" of this research, but I won't use this reference, because I don't want to be accused of having a conflict of interest. Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cantor, J. M., & McPhail, I. V. (2016). Non-offending pedophiles. Current Sexual Health Reports, 8(3), 121-128.

fulltext here --> https://www.csaprimaryprevention.org/files/Non-offending%20pedophiles%20review%20%28Cantor%20%26%20McPhail%29%20-%20Accepted%2C%20preprint%20version.pdf

-this is already in the reference list. Review article covering prevalence rate of pedophilic interest; correlates of pedophilic interest; stigma towards pedophilic individuals Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cohen, L., Ndukwe, N., Yaseen, Z., & Galynker, I. (2018). Comparison of self-identified minor-attracted persons who have and have not successfully refrained from sexual activity with children. Journal of sex & marital therapy, 44(3), 217-230.

-compares people with pedophilia who have acted on their interests with those who have not acted on their interests on a wide range of variables Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hsu, K. J., & Bailey, J. M. (2017). Autopedophilia: erotic-target identity inversions in men sexually attracted to children. Psychological science, 28(1), 115-123.

fulltext here --> https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797616677082

-correlates/comorbidity; characteristics of individuals with pedophilia Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jahnke, S. (2018). The stigma of pedophilia: Clinical and forensic implications. European Psychologist, 23, 144 – 153

-review article covering research on the stigma directed towards pedophilic individuals. As a secondary source, this could be used as a reference instead of the few primary studies cited on the page. This article could likely be used to expand the section where stigma is discussed.

-fulltext here --> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323515098_The_Stigma_of_Pedophilia_Clinical_and_Forensic_Implications Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lett, T. A., Mohnke, S., Amelung, T., Brandl, E. J., Schiltz, K., Pohl, A., ... & Wittfoth, M. (2018). Multimodal neuroimaging measures and intelligence influence pedophile child sexual offense behavior. European Neuropsychopharmacology.

-compares people with pedophilia who have acted on their interests with those who have not acted on their interests on intelligence testing and fMRI Ian V. McPhail (talk) 17:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]