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Category:Escalante-Sevier region
- Propose renaming Category:Escalante-Sevier region to Category:Escalante Desert-Sevier Lake subregion
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. There is no main article here but the USGS apparently lables this region as Subregion 1603 -- Escalante Desert-Sevier Lake: The Escalante Desert and the Sevier Lake closed basins. Nevada, Utah. So at a minimum we should expand the description to include the desert and lake wording from the USGS. However I would more strongly favor an upmerge back into Category:Great Basin. Breaking the basin out into Regions, Subregions, Accounting Units and Cataloging Units is OCAT and would make navigation significantly more difficult. If anything we should have articles on these regions and subregions and they should be included in Category:Great Basin. If there is a need to navigate by hydrology areas of the Great Basin then we should use templates. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Flexible substrates
- Category:Flexible substrates - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OC#SMALL and WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. The sole content is Polyethylene terephthalate. The category is grouped under Category:Semiconductors, even though the article Polyethylene terephthalate makes no mention of it being a semiconductor. Another one from Nopetro this is just puzzling. Is there a category on flexible coatings (the meaning of substrate, in this case, I'm told) we can merge to? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Feed-in tariff
- Propose renaming Category:Feed-in tariff to Category:Feed-in tariffs
- Nominator's rationale: Nopetro created this but didn't bother adding it to any of the bona fide feed-in tariff articles, including Feed-in tariff. I've addressed that but think it should be pluralized. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Nopetro also created the sparsely populated Category:Net metering. Disconcertingly, the Net metering main article gives the impression that Net metering is very similar to the Feed-in tariff system, save for some monitoring and accounting methods. There's got to be a way to merge these two. I hope someone can provide some clarity: the category creator clearly cannot. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Battery-charging infrastructure developers
- Propose merging Category:Battery-charging infrastructure developers to Category:Electric vehicle infrastructure developers
- Nominator's rationale: Another from Nopetro. I've tweaked the master cats but I think my suggested rename would be more precise as to what kinds of battery recharging designs are being undertaken by the two categorized corporations. Either that or delete per WP:OC#SMALL. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Biopiracy and bioprospecting
- Propose renaming Category:Biopiracy and bioprospecting to Category:Commercialization of traditional medicines
- Nominator's rationale: To match main article on topic (renamed for WP:NPOV reasons, I gather). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 17:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
- comment. The article still carries a
POVcleanup and OR warning tags. That is, we cannot be sure that it's contents will remain what they are for long. It may be renamed, it may be deleted. It's not stable enough to be used for categorization. Its name appears neutral (isn't it great when proven traditional remedies become available over the counter) but inside it carries a clear anti-industry, anti-globalist, etc. negative message. So what should fall into the category? Should it list all topics relevant to commercialized traditional medicine, like fairly uncontroversial Valerian (herb), or only the alleged "piracy"? What it is all about? East of Borschov (talk) 16:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ξxplicit 22:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Camping equipment
- Propose renaming Category:Camping equipment to Category:Camping and Backpacking equipment
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Backpacking is a form of camping, and both share equipment, so separate categories would be largely redundant, and the category is already being used for both backpacking and camping equipment. Gjs238 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. Shouldn't the proposed name be Category:Camping and backpacking equipment? Vegaswikian (talk)
Category:Fuel accidents
- Propose merging Category:Fuel accidents to Category:Oil spills
- Nominator's rationale: Another basically empty -- and particularly pointless -- one from Nopetro. Merge to Oil spills or just delete. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. Fuel accidents is grossly ambiguous. If could cover a car running into a gas pump with a resulting fire, a fuel tanker catching fire after an accident, a natural gas line explosion and the like. What is interesting is that the only article should not be included since it is not a fuel, but rather production of a fuel stock or the raw material used to create fuels. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Delete fuel accidents are common in motorsports. 76.66.193.224 (talk) 04:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Battery swapping
- Propose deleting Category:Battery swapping
- Nominator's rationale: And I would also suggest we delete this until such time as we have a sufficient body of bona fide articles on battery swapping or cars that do. Currently, Battery swapping is just a redirect to Electric vehicle battery, and other articles grouped here offer merely passing mentions of swapping as something that could take place. As is the case with many of Mac/Nukeless/Nopetro/Nudecline's categories, the editor's admirable enthusiasm for green technologies seems to take precedence over what actually exists in the encyclopedia, currently. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Delete as hopelessly vague and ambiguous. I just did a battery swap for my fan controller yesterday? Oh you mean rechargeable batteries? Yea, I swap my nicads every month or so between device and charger. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Electric buses
- Propose upmerging Category:Battery swap buses to Category:Electric buses
- also propose upmerging Category:All-electric buses - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge Battery swap buses and all-electric bus categories to Category:Electric buses. All were created by either banned user Mac or one of his suspected sockpuppets, Nopetro. The only contents of the two source categories is Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. However, that articles states only that the company is "developing all-electric buses capable of battery swapping." Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. The company should not be listed in the proposed merge category since the text does not support it. Now, if we have an article on the buses being developed, then that should be in the proposed target category. The other option would be to expand the electric buses section in Mitsubishi Heavy Industries significantly and then provide a redirect for the bus which would have the category attached. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, and if I may add: the Electric bus article encompasses "all-electric" quite nicely. I don't think they'll ever be a need for an "all-electric bus" cat, as that's what an electric bus is. As for the battery swapping cat, there could be a need for a "battery swapping vehicles" cat down the road if that's the way technology goes. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Free video games
- Propose merging Category:Free video games to Category:open source video games
- Nominator's rationale: Excessive subcategorisation for a minor and largely unclear point of licensing; recommend that the new category be named "free, open source video games" to match the naming of the current subcategories. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Agree. I can't think of many open-source games that are not free; or any closed-source free games that aren't just freeware. I can't even remember why I made this category. Marasmusine (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Linux-based Wi-Fi devices
- Propose merging Category:Linux-based Wi-Fi devices to Category:Wi-Fi devices
- Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem a useful sub-categorization of Category:Wi-Fi devices and has no parallels for other operating systems. Brandon (talk) 11:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Comment – if upmerged it also needs to go to Category:Linux-based devices (for which it is equally a sub-categorization). Occuli (talk) 11:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, good catch. Brandon (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Anarchism and sex/love
- Propose renaming Category:Anarchism and sex/love to Category:Anarchism and issues related to love and sex
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SLASH and main article--which I just moved. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Category:Anarchism and sexuality, perhaps? -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Comment The terms used historically in the anarchist movt was "free love", which is also one of the parent categories, so maybe Category:Anarchism and free love? AllyD (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Flathead lake
- Propose merging Category:Flathead lake to Category:Lakes of Montana
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a lake which contains only the main article and two images, which may need to be moved to Commons. At this time, there is not enough content on Wikipedia related to the lake in order to necessitate an eponymous category. If there is no consensus for merging, then rename to Category:Flathead Lake (renaming originally proposed at WP:CFD/S). (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Converts to Rastafarianism
- Category:Converts to Rastafarianism - Template:Lc1
- Category:Converts to Rastafarianism from Christianity - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Extremely provocative / bad idea for a cat; irrelevant, personal life info (BLP) and term 'RastafarianISM' is taken as patently offensive by Rastafarians - amazing people cannot even read our articles and learn something from them! Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Query – given that we have Category:Converts from Christianity (to all of which the 'irrelevant, personal life info (BLP)' rationale would apply) is there a rename which is not 'patently offensive by Rastafarians'? (The article is Rastafari movement. Incidentally the Bob Marley article does not support his presence in 'Converts to Rastafarianism from Christianity' as there is no info that he was initially 'Christian' and there is info that he was baptised in 1980. Does the Rastafari movement consider itself necessarily non-Christian anyway?) Occuli (talk) 08:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- I suppose "Converts from Christianity to Rastafari" would be an improvement, but it is still problematic, as they are not necessarily always considered mutually exclusive by all the adherents, as you pointed out. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Could one rename Category:Converts to Rastafarianism to "Converts to Rastafari" and merge the other one into it? Or do you argue that Category:Rastafarians is sufficient and that the category system does not lend itself to encapsulating the progress of an individual from one calling to another? I expect we could find 'converts from X to Y and then Z' with a bit of digging. Occuli (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- If there's nothing wrong with Category:Rastafarians and including people in it, what's wrong with including people in Category:Converts to Rastafarianism or Category:Converts to Rastafari, just the same as for other movements, etc.? If some BLP subjects don't treat their beliefs as mutually exclusive with some other religion, we need not refer to them as converts from that other faith, so I'm willing to grant that Category:Converts to Rastafarianism from Christianity is potentially weaker than Category:Converts to Rastafarianism/Category:Converts to Rastafari. The thing that matters, however, is that Rastafari is generally described as a religious movement, does happen to be described as a type of system that one converts to, and I have found plenty of Google Books sources from reliable publishers discussing "conversions to Rastafarianism" -- so long as it's a matter of WP:RS. And if it's a matter of semantics, that, too, can easily be fixed. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- We have deleted some similar categories at cfd (eg Converts to Scientology) and kept others. A search for 'convert' on the invaluable page User:Good_Olfactory/CFD gives quite a few. Occuli (talk) 19:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- As for Bob Marley, whenever asked when or how long he's been Rasta, he would always insist that he became a Rastafarian at the beginning of creation, and thus did not ever "convert"...! At any rate, Category:Converts to Rastafari might be okay, but then it would largely duplicate Category:Rastafarians, since as you pointed out again, it is a rather "new" movement. A few exceptions might be younger generation people like Marley's kids who were born into it. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 21:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)