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Is the Illuminerdi considered a reliable-enough source to put their "exclusive" on the working title of Transformers: Beast Alliance to be mentioned in the article? Comic Book Movie even talked about it, and we have one of their articles as a source, so maybe we can source CBM'S article for extra support? Iamnoahflores (talk) 21:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What does "direct sequel" actually mean? How exactly is it any different from a sequel. Does the distinction need to be given weight in the intro even though it has not been made clear in the article body. More importantly what reliable sources are saying direct sequel? -- 109.79.84.219 (talk) 22:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous editors persist in pushing this "direct sequel" nonsense[1] like as if it actually means anything or as if this series was ever strict about continuity. No explanation was provided and no new sources were provided to support the change. Even when we get to see the film it will likely still be a subjective opinion how directly a sequel follows or not. -- 14:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.204.119 (talk)

The mention of sequel in the lead section has since been changed to claim this is a "stand-alone sequel". The claim that it somehow "stands alone" is subjective, original research (how can we possibly know until the film is released), and at worst it is fancruft speculation about canon, none of which needs to be given attention in the lead section.

I fear this unsourced claim may have already been in the article too long and will lead to WP:CITOGENESIS if it is not promptly removed. As Variety said[2] the films "weren’t exactly sticklers for the laws of time and space, either". Fans will be fans and debate this but an encyclopedia should not be encouraging dubious subjective claims that a film is somehow a stand-alone sequel or that is somehow a detail that is even important. -- 109.79.167.143 (talk) 13:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In a May 2023 interview, the director said it is "standalone" but also that it preserves the continuity.[3] Even if I think it is nearly meaningless, and a bad idea to highlight the word standalone in the lead section, at least it is sourced in the article body now. -- 109.76.136.61 (talk) 23:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I still think it is utterly pointless to highlight the word standalone in the lead section as Noobmeister[4] insists and persists in doing. When have you ever heard a director admit that you really need to have seen the previous films in a series to appreciate the current one they are trying to sell? Filmmakers always want people to go see their film even if audiences have not seen earlier films in the series, and will frequently claim their story is standalone. The reality about how much a story might actually stand alone and coherent or understandable to viewers if far more subjective. The alleged faithfulness or lack of continuity or how much a story might standalone is just more WP:FANCRUFT and it would be far better if this encyclopedia avoided mentioning it at all. It is a shame that Noobmeister does not explain in his edit summaries WP:DISCUSS or why he believes it is so necessary to emphasize the word. -- 109.76.134.53 (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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change the Scourge section so that it says "he could possibly have 2 vehicle modes. Shall we play a Game? (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is clearly not the seventh film in the Bayformers series, since Bumblebee was 100% confirmed to be a straight hard reboot when it released. This is thus Transformers 2 and Bumblebee Transformers 1 of a brand new series. Doesn't matter if Bay is still involved or not. It's a 100% new continuity. --87.72.89.8 (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources such as Deadline Hollywood say otherwise: Transformers 7. Di Bonaventura never put much weight on the term "reboot" [5] and Variety magazine said the films[6] "weren’t exactly sticklers for the laws of time and space, either". -- 109.78.197.54 (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Super late reply, but thank you. NoobMiester96 (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Indagate, @2pou has removed Skydance over vandalism and crediting. I was asking a question if we can credit Skydance as either Skydance or Skydance Media when he thinks it shouldn't be credit due to it executive producing it. Skydance must stay on Rise of the Beasts because it's part of their involement. Removing it wouldn't make no sense at all. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 00:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Um... there is no vandalism involved here. Did you read the linked discussion? Template talk:Infobox film/Archive 32#Executive producer(s). The removal was based on established norms as I linked them. Searching the archives for "Financier" will give you similar results. If there is a consensus to leave it in some form of exception, that is fine, but there was absolutely no vandalism. -2pou (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That company is part of the film. It doesn't need to be removed from the infobox. BMA-Nation2020 (talk) 00:23, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed in Twitter that there are rumours circulating that Cheetor being a non-speaking transformer is false, and there are no sources that prove that the character is mute. Does anyone have proof that Cheetor is mute? Blue91233 (talk) 23:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not say Cheetor is mute. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed the section header. I feel like before the film is released, we shouldn't be classifying any characters as "non-speaking" until we are 100% certain. Those three characters should be listed in prose at the bottom of § Transformers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His voice actor has not been announced yet. NoobMiester96 (talk) 23:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And vindicated. Have a nice day. NoobMiester96 (talk) 00:24, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am pretty sure Entertainment One is not a production company on this movie. For one the poster billing doesn't have a mention of them, or their logo on it. Their logo does not appear in front of any of the trailers either. Compare this to another Paramount film based on a Hasbro property, Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves, which has EOne on their poster billing and in front of all their trailers. That and recent articles from reliable sources like The Hollywood Reporter mention Hasbro as a production company instead. Zingo156 (talk) 08:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't it already said that Bumblebee was now considered a series reboot? Where is a source stating this still takes place before the 2007 movie? 2600:1012:B1AB:2BB7:E877:2093:E23A:AB43 (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Right here. And to be frank, the movies aren't usually "exactly sticklers for the laws of time and space". People who claim that Bumblebee is a reboot is nothing but an example of contrarianism. Just think of the movie timeline as just Aqua Teen Hunger Force when it comes to ignoring continuity and stuff. NoobMiester96 (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And the final nail to the coffin. No Reboot. Pack it up everyone, the 4 year debate is over. NoobMiester96 (talk) 05:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think this is as clear and conclusive as NoobMiester96 is making it out to be but I can only guess that he is looking at the line "It doesn’t mess up any of the timeline in 2006, 2007." and taking that to mean that it is all one continuity and therefore that implies that it is not a reboot. I do think it is unhelpful to ordinary readers even mention the "reboot" claim and agree would be better if it was not included at all. -- 109.76.136.61 (talk) 23:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2600:1012:B1AB:2BB7:E877:2093:E23A:AB43 Rise of the Beasts isn't a prequel! It's a reboot! Logically: in The Last Knight, Unicron is Earth; In Rise of the Beasts he is like his Generation One counterpart. SpyderFrydge (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only one who's said this is a prequel was Lorenzo di Bonaventura. The director himself says this is a reboot and a sequel to Bumblebee, with no connection to prior films outside of music. 2603:6080:AE03:39ED:33B7:FFCC:7949:1133 (talk) 13:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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John DiMaggio - Transit, a Terrorcon/Decepticon who transforms into a New York City bus. Sentaliium1 (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source for the character is already added. I took care of that. NoobMiester96 (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I heard that it got a bunch of backlashes due to the fact that the NYC in 1994 with big storm heading, which it causes a massive controversary due to look like a NYC attacks with original WTC: https://www.indy100.com/showbiz/transformers-rise-beasts-911-trailer

And it got pulled due to this ordeal. I believe it's the marketing. Stephenfisher2001 (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Steven caple just did an interview on YouTube and he said it’s full reboot from the bay films Higgs2k10 (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about that chief? NoobMiester96 (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Watch the interview and see for yourself 2A00:23A8:4C90:E501:E436:4F21:9EDF:2219 (talk) 10:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a prequel to the films. It's part of Bay's multiverse for the franchise. If you read it up, they are actually committing to it and are connecting all the universe's through the multiverse like MCU and DCU. There might be another Transformers verse after RotB focused entirely on the Beast Wars which also delved into G1 as a prequel. Or like the

Unicron Trilogy/Aligned Continuity. So one person's claims are not factual and because he is the director. Doesn't mean he is the origin setter. That is actually the writers and Paramount/Hasbro who confirm it. DragonofBatley (talk) 10:45, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this so called confirmation Of a multiverse by hasbro? Higgs2k10 (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here. NoobMiester96 (talk) 17:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Themes from the original films are being reprised in this one. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@InfiniteNexus How does that factor into the previous movies being in the same contunuity? Danny Elfman reprised his silly Flash theme in a track Doctor Strange 2 soundtrack, does that mean Josstice League is part of the MCU? Steppenwolf2018 (talk) 03:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote a high quality plot summary but it keeps being undone. First of all, I don't think there are any rules on Wikipedia for how long users have to wait before adding a plot summary. Secondly, the premiere is already out. I don't think we're required to wait for the US release date. What is the full rule and if I'm right please let my plot summary be added.Nosecone33 (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The dark god, Unicron nears the Maximal homeworld and sends down Scourge and his minions to steal technology before he devours the planet. Apelinq, the leader of the Maximals and asks Primal and the others to use the Transwarp Key to escape. He decides to stay behind and fend off Scourge allowing them to escape. He names Primal the new leader of the Maximals. Scourge kills Apelinq while the other Maximals escape through a transwarp portal to prehistoric Earth.

In 1994 Brooklyn, Noah, an ex-military electronics expert, is struggling to look for a job to support his family. His brother has a blood disease, and they can't afford the treatment. Elena is an intern at a museum and artifact researcher. Elena notices a bird sculpture with a Maximal symbol and bizarre markings recovered from an auction, she breaks it, and inside is a Transwarp key that activates and emits an energy signature that's detected by the Transformers. At this time, Noah was desperate for cash, so he decides to take up Reek's offer to steal rich people's cars and sell them. After breaking into Mirage, he's forced to team up with him. Optimus Prime notices the transwarp signature and puts a call out to all the Autobots to assemble.

Noah and Mirage start to bond. When Optimus arrives, he is annoyed that Mirage has brought back a human. Arcee scans Noah's face, reads his bio, and notes that he's an ex-soldier. Optimus discovers that Autobots need the Transwarp Key to get back to Cybertron. They organize a museum robbery. So Mirage volunteers Noah. Noah sneaks in and grab the Key for them. The Terrorcons enter the city following the Transwarp Keys signature. At the museum, The Terrorcons attack, Scourge unleashes two Freezers to chase them while the Autobots come in to engage the Terrorcons. Noah and Elena manage to run out of the museum and evade the Freezers. Scourge kills Bumblebee and is about to kill Prime, when Airazor swoops in and helps fend off the Terrorcons. They decide to retreat because they already have the Key.

Optimus and the gang follow Airazor to figure out what's going on. Airazor explains that she is a Maximal, a time traveling race of Transformers trying to stop Unicron. Optimus knows of Unicron. Airazor notes that Scourge is a herald of Unicron. Here, it is revealed that Scourge only has half of the Key because the Maximals broke it into two to keep it safe. Elena discovers the other half of the Key must be in Peru because the same symbols on the bird statue were only ever recorded on a temple in Peru. The Autobots are now going to go to Peru, and Noah insists on coming along. They then set off to Peru on Stratosphere, an autobot who transforms into a cargo plane. In Peru, they meet up with Wheeljack, who helps track down the temple entrance with Elena's coordinates. There is a huge parade/celebration going on, and Noah and Elene blend into the crowd.

They Autobots enter the temple as Scourge and the Terrorcons arrive, they discover that the other half of the Transwarp Key is no longer there. It had been moved. A terrorcon drone called a Freezer attacks Noah and Elena, and they run deeper into the caverns. The Autobots spring into action, and so do the Terrorcons. There is a huge battle on the road and a rematch between Prime and Scourge. Nightbird and Battletrap fight Arcee, Wheeljack, and Mirage. They then emerge out of a cave in the jungle. Airazor blasts the bridge to prevent Scourge and the other Terrorcons from following. Scourge corrupts Airazor with a weapon. The Maximals find the Autobots and Airazor comes in to defuse the situation and introduce the other Maximals. Primal says that he's named after Optimus himself and that it's an honor to meet him. Primal and the others explain that they have the other half of the Transwarp Key. He also says that Maximals are an advanced race dedicated to the expansion of life throughout the universe, but now they're just staying on Earth to protect the life here and to protect the Transwarp Key. The Maximals lead them to a little village of humans, the descendants of the tribe of humans who have watched over the Maximals and have shared their culture with them.

The next day, Elena wakes up and sees Airazor under Scourge's corruption. She flies off, and Prime and Primal realize that Scourge and the other Terrorcons are coming. The Terrorcons arrive and manage to snatch the Transwarp Key while Airazor comes in and snatches up Elena. Primal jumps in to save her. Primal and Airazor fight and Primal is forced to kill her. Scourge has both halves of the key. He goes to the top of a volcano and combines the two. This creates a tower for Scourge to set the Key in, and it starts to open a portal in the sky for Unicron to come in. From the walls of the tower spawn a ton of Terrorcon drones. The Autobots and Maximals will fight the Terrorcons while the humans will sneak in through the tiny access tunnels and go to the console in the middle of the tower to enter the code.

The Autobots and Maximals team up to fight the Terrorcons. During the battle, Bumblebee is resurrected and awakened. Mirage takes on Scourge to distract him, but Mirage gets punched aside and Noah gets grabbed by Scourge. Regardless, Mirage shields Noah from Scourge's cannon fire and transforms into an exosuit for him. Noah starts to take on Scourge but is obviously outmatched. Prime then comes in to fight Scourge together with Noah. Scourge once again overpowers Prime. Unicron starts coming to earth through the Transwarp portal. Stratosphere flies in overhead and Bumblebee jumps out. All this time, Elena was running from a Freezer, trying to get to the console, and entering the access code. Even though she manages to enter it, the console gets destroyed as Scourge and Prime fight. Unicron sends Predacon drones called Scorponoks to aid in the battle. Prime kills Scourge and prepares to destroy the Terrorcon tower. Noah and the others start to run away. Prime destroys the Transwarp Key and is nearly sucked into the portal. Noah uses his exosuit to save Optimus and Primal saves them both. Optimus Primal reveals that Unicron must have survived the portal collapse and they he could return. Prime claims that he isn't afraid of Unicron as he has gained an important ally. Noah goes and applies for a security job and Elena gets recognition for the temple discovery in Peru. During an interview, Noah is recruited by a man who knows how Noah helped save the world from Unicron. The man's business card says G.I. Joe.

In a mid-credits scene, Noah manages to repair Mirage.Nosecone33 (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One problem, there's too many words. It should be between 400-700 for a summary.

You just spoiled the whole thing. NoobMiester96 (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I created a shortened plot description.

The dark god, Unicron devours a planet inhabited by the Maximals and sends down Scourge and the Terrorcons. Apelinq, the Maximal leader, sacrifices himself to allow some Maximals to escape to prehistoric earth leaving Optimus Primal in charge.

In 1994 Brooklyn, Noah, an ex-military electronics expert, is struggling to look for a job to support his family. Elena is an intern at a museum and artifact researcher. Elena notices a bird sculpture with a Maximal symbol and bizarre markings. She accidentally triggers and it turns out to be a Transwarp Key. Noah, breaks into Mirage thinking he's just a car he can steal. Optimus Prime notices the transwarp signature and puts a call out to all the Autobots to assemble. Noah discovers Mirage is a transformer and they start to bond. Optimus discovers that Autobots need the Transwarp Key to get back to Cybertron. They organize a museum robbery, Mirage volunteers Noah. Noah sneaks in and grab the Key for them. The Terrorcons enter the city following the Transwarp Keys signature. Bumblebee is killed and Scourge steals the Transwarp Key. Optimus is saved by a Maximal named Airazor.

The Autobots follow Airazor who explains that she is a Maximal, a time traveling race of Transformers trying to stop Unicron. Airazor notes that Scourge is a herald of Unicron. She claims the Maximals split the Transwarp Key in half. Elena discovers the other half of the Key must be in Peru. The Autobots and Noah travel to Peru on Stratosphere, an autobot who transforms into a cargo plane. In Peru, they meet up with Wheeljack, who helps track down the temple entrance with Elena's coordinates. They Autobots enter the temple as Scourge and the Terrorcons arrive, they discover that the other half of the Transwarp Key is gone. The Autobots and Terrorcons battle for the key. Scourge corrupts Airazor with a weapon. The Autobots meet the Maximals. Optimus Primal says that Maximals are an advanced race dedicated to the expansion of life throughout the universe and to protect the Transwarp Key. The Maximals lead them to a human village, the descendants of the tribe of humans who have watched over the Maximals. Elena notices Airazor is corrupted as she flies off. The Terrorcons arrive and steal the other half of the Transwarp Key while Airazor tries to kill Elena. Primal saves Elena and is forced to kill Airazor. Scourge goes on top of a volcano and combines the two Transwarp Keys. This opens a portal in the sky for Unicron to come in.

The Autobots and Maximals team up to fight the Terrorcons while Elina looks for an access code. During the battle, Bumblebee is resurrected and awakened. Mirage shields Noah from Scourge's cannon fire and transforms into an exosuit for him. Noah starts to take on Scourge but is outmatched. Prime then comes in to fight Scourge together with Noah. Scourge once again overpowers Prime. Unicron starts coming to earth through the Transwarp portal. Stratosphere flies in overhead and Bumblebee jumps out. Elena gets to the console, and enters the access code. Even though she manages to enter it, the console gets destroyed as Scourge and Prime fight. Unicron sends scorpion drones to aid in the battle. Prime kills Scourge and prepares to destroy the Terrorcon tower. Noah and the others start to run away. Prime destroys the Transwarp Key and is nearly sucked into the portal. Noah uses his exosuit to save Optimus and Primal saves them both. Optimus Primal reveals that Unicron must have survived the portal collapse and they he could return. Prime claims that he isn't afraid of Unicron as he has gained an important ally. Noah goes and applies for a security job and Elena gets recognition for the temple discovery in Peru. During an interview, Noah is recruited by a man who knows how Noah helped save the world from Unicron. The man's business card says G.I. Joe.

In a mid-credits scene, Noah manages to repair Mirage. Nosecone33 (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's only 663 words. We should leave it on the page so users can enhance it as the film gets closer.Nosecone33 (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah no. I'm sorry but we're not gonna post spoilers for the movie anymore. NoobMiester96 (talk) 02:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's appropriate to restore the plot, per WP:SPOIL. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, how can you tell from a simple source (which can be easily contradicted) that this movie would be a prequel to the first five BayVerse movies, when everything suggests otherwise? I mean, as far back as 2018 several teams that have worked on the saga since the Bumblebee have made it clear (including Hasbro) that this is a reboot. We have also interviews with the film's crew (including the director Steven Caple Jr.) confirming that this is the case. Amirani1746 (talk) 19:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a prequel to the first 2007 movie but not necessarily to the other ones which came after. 49.236.57.76 (talk) 00:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@49.236.57.76 it's not a prequel to any Bay-directed film, not even the first one. The sheer number of contradictions between Bumblebee itself and the first Transformers live-action film could make an entire article, let alone throwing Rise of the Beasts into the mix. Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts are a reboot of the franchise, period. Steppenwolf2018 (talk) 03:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The wording "deeming it an improvement over its four pre-Bumblebee installments" is a bit confusing. It seems like it's essentially saying that it was received better than 2-5, but not 2007 and Bumblebee. If so, the opening should just say this. It doesn't make sense in a chronological sense either since it wasn't received better than the previously released film. Transfo47 (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]