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The chocolate manufacturer market is dominated by only a few large corporations, such as Mars and Hershey, but the production of Cacao is a different story. The farming and production of cacao is 90% comprised of many small family farms, that are 2-5 hectares in size. These small farmers are the most vulnerable part of the chocolate supply chain, they face low wages, harsh working conditions, and even use child labor. The few corporations at the top of a billion-dollar industry control the market, and keep the prices of cacao low, and these small farmers do not see any of the massive amount of money generated by the industry.^[1]

There is an interesting disparity between the production and the consumption of chocolate. Chocolate is consumed heavily in the global north, while cacao is produced in the global south.^[1]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 September 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rheaxx666 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Rheaxx666 (talk) 18:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In this article and other chocolate-related articles, there is a lack of standardization of how "cacao solids" are used. The majority of the uses in these articles do not fit with how the phrase is used by regulatory bodies or within the chocolate industry.

"Cacao solids" refers to both cacao butter and nonfat cacao solids ie cacao powder. Here is an example:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/c.r.c.,_c._870/page-22.html

"(b) shall contain not less than 35 per cent total cocoa solids, of which (i) not less than 18 per cent is cocoa butter, and (ii) not less than 14 per cent is fat-free cocoa solids; and"

It's also consistent with labeling requirements in the US. You can check Lindt 85% vs Lindt 90% cacao content chocolate sold in the US, the 90% only has additional cacao fat.

If the intent is to only mention cacao powder or non-fat solids then it should be explicit. This is consistent with how the FDA uses the terms:

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=163&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:2.0.1.1.39.2

"(1) In the preparation of the product, cocoa or a mixture of cocoa and chocolate liquor is used in such quantity that the finished food contains not less than 6.8 percent by weight of nonfat cacao solids, calculated on a moisture-free basis;"

23.25.142.37 (talk) 02:08, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing here about the history of the development of the plant into something that produces a food. It seems that it was first developed in South America, but I don't have a good citation on this claim from a museum in new mexico. https://news.unm.edu/news/unm-archaeologist-to-discuss-chaco-canyon-chocolate-at-museum-lecture-series2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:618D:3A7E:5451:6D73 (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The shell is removed to produce cocoa nibs, which are then ground to cocoa mass." Which is ground up? The shell or the "nibs", which also needs clarifaction of what are "nibs". Nibs are the kernels? Then this should be stated in the first line. 194.193.192.4 (talk) 03:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The nibs are what remains after the shells of roasted beans are removed. The sentence is already self-defining. Why ever would you think chocolate is made by grinding up the shells? That makes no sense. SpinningSpark 14:15, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"As of 2017, there is no high-quality evidence that dark chocolate affects blood pressure significantly or provides other health benefits.[39]"

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"While the positive health effects of chocolate can be a source of debate, preliminary evidence suggests there appear to be small but statistically significant beneficial effects to cardiovascular health.[39]"

Source: Contrary to the current claim, the originally cited source states there is small but significant blood pressure benefits. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6478304/). Katie.steck (talk) 02:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not say anything about "source of debate". What it does say under quality of evidence is The evidence is of moderate quality. We were unable to identify any randomised controlled trials that tested the effect of long‐term daily use of cocoa products on blood pressure, and there were no trials that measured the health consequences of high blood pressure, such as heart attacks or strokes. Statistically significant is not the same as medically significant. As the source says, such evidence is currently lacking. SpinningSpark 13:56, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]