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• John Hutchison · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]
• Hutchison effect · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Hutchison

I'm too late to vote, but my vote would have been "Move to Hutchison effect and improve". Hutchison is a crank, and his "effect" deserves an honest encyclopedic treatment, but now all the first Google results are crackpot sites. Ignorance wins again.  :( It makes me sad that scammers can just send an email to Wikimedia and have the truth censored like this. Is there any hope of getting the article about the effect back up? — Omegatron (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

As I said in the AFD, the redirect Hutchison effect use to be a standalone article. IMHO it had BLP issues but since it wasn't subject to an AFD (there was one from 2004 but it wasn't closed and it doesn't seem that there was a consensus to delete) there's nothing to keep you from restoring it and cleaning it up but I would recommend a new article from scratch or cleaning it up in your userspace first. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I might get around to it. — Omegatron (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Why? Wifione ^Message

Created to address the insincere use of such tags. Also see User:Ron_Ritzman/Retired and User:Ron_Ritzman/Semi-retired. I might do something with them next Apr 1st. Though I haven't been very active lately I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Good to hear that :) Wifione ^Message 03:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Saimoe League
There are some third-party sources about ISML:
1.[Mikoto won 2011 ISML Heavenly Tiara] from [Network Television] and google PR is 5
2.Final:Misaka Mikoto VS Shana from 178 and google PR is 7
3.Misaka Mikoto 1st from [[1]] and google PR is 7
4.2011 ISML Misaka Mikoto got 1st from duowan and google PR is 7
5.ISML Final result! Misaka Mikot(form Index) got 1st from ANIARC
6.ISML Misaka Mikot won from uuu9 and google PR is 6
7.Saimoe tournament summary Japanese.
Can you change the result to keep?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yygnaf (talk • contribs) 21:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It was deleted over a year ago...no, it cannot be changed. If you feel you can write a draft, then go ahead, but I would check to ensure it fixes all of the problems noted in the AFD (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Third times the charm? user:Spartaz and user:Master of Puppets haven't responded to my requests [2] [3], so you're number three in line.

I see you were recently involved in the deletion of Air Hawke's Bay

a. Can I create a redirect to Hastings Aerodrome, where it is mentioned?

b. Can you let me see a copy of the article, preferably by userfying it to my userspace or, less ideally, by e-mailing me a copy?

Thank You. Buddy431 (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I am sooooo happy you relisted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mine Games (2012 film). Once I looked in, I realized that the template-created Find sources was absolutely useless using the parameters assigned by the AFd template. Through using more appropriate search parameters, it was easy to learn that this one passed WP:GNG and WP:NF. Many, many thanks. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

? --Orange Mike | Talk 13:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about this. I was trying to click on a dif on my watchlist and hit the "rollback" link on the entry above which just happened to be your talk page. Rollback on the watchlist is EVIL :(. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Okeh. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

As someone who participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artel Jarod Walker, you may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artel Walker. --Nat Gertler (talk) 08:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Never mind; AFD closed and article speedied. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

If there ever was a case for IAR, this was one. Toddst1 (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree that this unsourced stub was a bad article and I agree with its deletion but I would like to make a few points (I would have responded to this in the AFD but it snow closed). I actually first noticed this in another forum I participate in and looked to see if it was on wikipedia, noticed that it was deleted by PROD and checked the history. I was going to leave it be but I couldn't help but notice that RZuljani had removed the PROD tag but that removal was reverted without an edit summary, therefore I undeleted the article. I do not view this as "process wonkery". PROD is for articles that nobody gives a damn about (but that should not be the sole reason for deletion) and the fact that the PROD was removed shows that somebody does indeed "give a damn" and that someone should have been allowed to have his say in an AFD if he wished to do so. I believe that our deletion processes need not only be fair but appear to be fair and having one's objection to a PROD reverted without comment doesn't appear "fair".

Also, IMHO this article wasn't a "slam dunk" delete. It's probably too early for this subject to have an article but it is covered on Know Your Meme. I haven't looked for other supersources but that should have been enough for it to at least go to AFD and a delete decision there would have made it immune to re-creations, particularly if it went the full 7 days

As a side note, it seems to be articles that everybody but me thinks are obvious deletes that get me in trouble, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Festivalism for another example. I removed a PROD that just said "HUH" and got roasted for it. It seems that I have a higher "WTF threshold" then many editors. See this AFD for a marginally related case. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

dear sir kindly explain why you changed my own page, and i am asking this is my own page, i have not offended anyone by what is writen in it, and i have nothing to fear by citing my personal informations, so please please please kindly revert it or give me more information about your interference in my personal life best regards abd elhamid elsayed https://www.facebook.com/abdelhamidelsayed Abdelhamidelsayed (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)abdelhamidelsayed Abdelhamidelsayed (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)abdelhamidelsayed Abdelhamidelsayed (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)abdelhamidelsayed

May I ask you to restore article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Silent_Life&action=edit&redlink=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MisterFirst (talk • contribs) 14:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC) Hello, I am a Wikipedia viewer and use the site quite often. I am not a moderator and never edit any page, so forgive me if I am doing this incorrectly. I noticed that you deleted the Ultimatum (band) page for the American Heavy Metal Band, Ultimaum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ultimatum_%28American_band%29 Apparently the band was taken down because, "WP:MUSIC#5 - "Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels."

Ultimatum have released records on Massacre Records, Rowe Productions and Retroactive Records. Anyone with even the remotest knowledge of the Christian metal genre which they are a part of would know that these are well known and respected labels. Retroactive Records is an active label with a roster that includes some very well known names in the CCM and Christian Metal genre. To say they are not an "important indie label" would be an ignorant judgment call.

As well, the band has a 20 year history, has toured the country and have been on many, many compilation albums on many different labels. If you are not familiar with Christian metal, then I respectfully ask that you not make judgement calls on what "important indie labels" are for that genre.

A quick search on Google under Ultimatum metal, Ultimatum Christian metal, Ultimatum heavy metal, or any similar title reveals a long list of articles and photos, including articles for the Associated Press: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=71JIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IP4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=1765,9477515&dq=scott-waters+ultimatum&hl=en

Ultimatum is included in the well known Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal by Martin Popoff, as well as just about every heavy metal website out there including Metal-Archives, BNRMetal, nolifetilmetal.com, AllMusic.com, Amazon.com, etc. Ultimatum has been featured on the cover of HM Magazine as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hm_magazine

Can you please restore the Ultimatum page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultmetal (talk • contribs) 02:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

See reply below. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

• Ultimatum (American band) · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]

Dear Mr. Ritzman,

I am writing to you because you deleted the article "Ultimatum (American band), and I believe that deletion was not warranted. The reason for the initial request was the there was "no notability and seems like self advertising." As for seeming like self-advertising, that again is a purely speculative judgment call. The poster has no evidence that the page was self-promoting, only that it seems to be the case. I have read numerous band biographies that have been written by fans, as a I presume this article was, (including many on Wikipedia) and they all sound like that. So to use that as a criterion for deleting the article would mean that someone should review all similar articles and take the same action. Let me be clear that I am not advocating that course. If anything, this article and the ones like it should have been flagged for a need to be edited to include less bias.

Now, in the debate that followed, these were the reasons given for deletion:

   Delete - I'm not convinced the band meets criterion #5. It's the important indie labels, not just ones that have articles on Wikipedia. -- Whpq (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

   Delete - Rowe Productions doesn't look like an important label. There's litle mention in Google news, books, scholar and images. Bigbird6 (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
   Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, agree with above editor regarding Rowe Productions. JoshyDinda (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

First, is there an established definition of "important indie labels"? And isn't it reasonable to believe the fact that there IS a Wikipedia article on a label is a statement by Wikipedia that the label is important enough for its artists to be given the same consideration? But moving on from the argument that Rowe Productions does not constitute an "important" indie label, this is not the only label for which Ultimatum recorded. It has also recorded for Retroactive Records, which is perhaps the leading indie label for Christian metal. Retroactive is or has been home to notable Christian metal giants like Saint, Bride, and Deliverance. It has also re-released material by Guardian, Titanic, and Daniel Band. There is no one with any knowledge of the current state of Christian metal that should not be familiar with Retroactive Records, and any talk of that not being an "important indie label" would quite frankly be based in ignorance of the subject. In addition to Rowe and Retroactive, Ultimatum has also recorded for Roxx Records, which is not only a significant Christian metal indie label in its own right (albums by Holy Soldier, Eternal Ryte, Crystavox, and the all-star band Liberty N Justice), but is also a partner in Intense Millennium Records, which has acquired the rights to most of the Frontline/Intense/Alarma catalog and has been working on releasing remastered versions of some of Christian metal and rock's classic albums from the late 1980s and early 1990s. Roxx has also partnered with the Christian Metal Realm, one of the leading Internet communities for Christian metal fans, to create a two tribute albums for the bands Deliverance and Saint (in process). Beyond these labels, Ultimatum has also recorded for Massacre Records--home to artists like Saviour Machine, Fates Warning, and King Diamond. I think that list speaks for itself as to Massacre's legitimacy as an important indie label.

So, in summary, I believe that the deletion of the article "Ultimatum (American band)" was not justified and that those who argued for its removal (Basileias, Whpg, Bigbird6, and JoshyDinda) lacked the necessary familiarity with the Christian metal scene and Ultimatum to make the judgments they did. Further, it seems that the decision to delete was based around an argument that Ultimatum does not meet one of the criterion for determining "notability." The guidelines in WP:MUSIC actually say "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria," not that it will be excluded if it fails to meet one. To that end, Ultimatum:

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. --This would include HM Magazine and Heaven's Metal, the leading periodicals for Christian metal. It was the cover story for the March 2008 issue of Heaven's Metal

Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable). --This has been demonstrated above

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. --Ultimatum is one of the premier thrash bands in Christian metal today.

Therefore, I request that the decision to delete this article be reversed and the article be restored.

Thank you for your time.

Messiaen77 (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that the consensus to delete this article in the original AFD discussion was clear and if it wasn't deleted by me it would have been some other admin. This will have to be appealed to deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm coming here to jump in the discussion as one of the Christian Metal editors. I understand that you approved the Ultimatum (band) article for deletion, and I was wondering if you'd be willing to put the deleted article up under my user sandbox so that I can review and improve the article as necessary for resubmission at a later date. Thank you. 5minutes (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done User:5minutes/Ultimatum (American band). --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Muchas gracias. I'm going to work on verifying the information and plan to resubmit the article at a later date. 5minutes (talk) 01:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• FH-Complete · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Dear Mr. Ritzman, I am sorry for responding so late. Because all employees have been on holidays, we have not been able to join the discussion. We kindly ask to restore the article "FH-Complete". It is difficult to provide suitable web links for a piece of free software that is currently only being used at two universities of applied sciences, even though by over 4000 students and 1000 employees. Our target group is small, but we have received numerous inquiries from various educational institutions since there are hardly any alternative programs on the market. Therefore, it is important for us to inform the public of our software package. The article already mentions our presentation of FH-Complete at the Linuxwochen in Austria last year. We will also be presenting our program there again this year. I would be happy to also provide a link on the Campus page to our partner school FH St. Pölten, in order to document the relevant number of users. So I request the article to be restored and thank you in advance for your feedback. KindlM (talk) 09:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you were not able to take part in the discussion and in the past I have reopened AFDs so that interested parties can have their say. However, you said 2 things yourself that were almost an argument for deletion. It is difficult to provide suitable web links for a piece of free software that is currently only being used at two universities of applied sciences. Our rules about this are clear. No independent sources, no article. You also said Therefore, it is important for us to inform the public of our software package. I'm sorry but that's not what Wikipedia is for. We write about things that others have already taken note of. Furthermore, per your use of "we", it's clear that you have a connection to the subject. If we are ever to have an article on this software, then it will need to be written by someone with no connection to it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

• Kenta Nagata · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]

I'm stunned Kenta Nagata got deleted. Not enough knowledgeable people showed up to comment, just mindlessly deletionist drones. 1up [4] featured a long quote from him. WP:COMPOSER number one is met since he "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." Just look at how many things he has done. [5] Composer is a notable enough part of a video game to be listed in the infobox for video games, he listed all over the place, for many mega-hit games. His IMDb page list his works. [6] Most of the easily to find news coverage for the guy is in a different language of course. [7] A proper search of only sites listed in the Video game Wikiprojects list of reliable sources shows more results, including an interview he did here [8] Some places even review his work quite positively [9] and mention you can buy the soundtrack of it also. Please restore this based on sources found proving his notability. Dream Focus 18:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

After examining the discussion closer, the only issue I see is that many of google news hits were in Spanish and it's possible that some delete !voters might not have considered that. However, at lease one of the !voters had "Spanish" as one of his babel boxes so I can only assume that he did examine them. I will concede that more participation from Spanish speakers would have been helpful but you will have to make your argument at DRV. If you decide to do that then I would strongly recommend that you do not refer to the participants in the AFD as "mindless deletionist drones". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello, there is a bunch of new publications on Silent Life movie, may I ask you to evaluate if now it is eligible for moving to mainspace

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Incubator/Silent_Life )

http://www.cinemotionlab.com/inform/1114 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/entertainment-arts-15674340 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Another-Silent-Film-Come-Out-prnews-3331690647.html http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/ef444a56-24dd-11e1-bfb3-00144feabdc0.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftelesite.ru%2Fnews%2F4247%2F http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1099209/ Thank you in advance --MisterFirst (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Ron, I appreciate your restoring Ultimatum to my sandbox for improvement. Over the past couple of weeks, I've worked on improving the article, adding references, and clarifying the importance of the labels the band is on. I personally believe that the article now meets WP:MUSIC under #1 (I provided links to several genre magazines and music websites like Blabbermouth) and #5 (Massacre Records is fairly large in the really heavy metal genre and Retroactive Records has a large repertoire of artists with both original and re-release material). I've expanded upon the band's history and have worked with them to understand the importance of secondary sources instead of primary sources. While it's certainly not up to Featured Article standards, I do believe it is a start- or stub-class candidate for restoration at this time (although continued work will be done to improve the albums, etc.). If you agree, would you mind restoring the page to the main site or at least instructing me on what I need to do to get it restored? Thank you. 5minutes (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Ron, I've waited a week and you haven't responded. I've looked up the issue and I think I'm allowed to post the page to the mainspace. I am going to do so. Thank you for your help. 5minutes (talk) 00:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't' had time to do much wiki stuff lately. Since it was deleted by AFD, the best course of action is to present the current draft to deletion review. Boldly moving it to mainspace would likely result in a G4 deletion or another AFD even if I moved it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I am resubmitting the article. Per the requirements: ==Deletion review for Ultimatum (American band)==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ultimatum (American band). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 5minutes (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tryon Coterie count as an expired prod, not a no consensus?--GrapedApe (talk) 01:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, treating an AFD as an expired PROD is not policy or guideline (I've actually proposed it twice and it was rejected twice) so it's something I do very rarely, mostly for BLPs. The reason I did it for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CeCors was because the article was an orphan and a 1 line stub that's almost a CSD A7 candidate. (and in hind site I probably should have deleted it as an "A7") However, Tryon Coterie, while unsourced, asserts significance and has 21 article space links. You are, however, free to renominate it at your convenience. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Ron Ritzman,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 04:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of films considered the best is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the best until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Thank you, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

DARE Championship is a mixed martial arts event which was deleted because the page was created after only one event. They have now put on three events with a fourth taking place next month and are the only MMA promotion in Thailand and have received coverage from some notable mainstream media like CNN and MMA media like Bloody Elbow and MMA Mania. Would now be an appropriate time to restore and update the DARE Championship page? Werda66 (talk) 06:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ron - any idea why that essay is not in wp:space? The page history refers to a discussion at the village pump, but I can't find it. pablo 13:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:BOLD :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, it seems to have been the victim of a purge back in 2007. I've restored it. Maybe I'll get reverted in 2017, but what the hell, live dangerously. pablo 16:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

• Free Independent Traveler · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Ron, would you please do me the favor of userfying the "Free Independent Traveler" article that just got deleted? For right now I need some of the info in my research and perhaps I can improve it to article quality. thanks, Joe407 (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

•  Done User:Joe407/Free Independent Traveler --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Joe407 (talk) 07:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

• David Oberhauser · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Please justify this deletion.Oakley77 (talk) 23:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the AFD discussion, which you participated in could not have been closed any other way as everybody but you said "delete". If it were not me then it would have been some other admin. Also, your comment that he plays for AC Ajaccio was rebutted by "Mattythewhite" who pointed out that he hasn't played a game yet. If you have a source that shows that he has then you are welcome to present it at deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

--Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I plucked your name off the list of closed AfD's. I nominated this article for an an AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Campaign_Against_Female_Genital_Mutilation but realized that the article could be changed to meet notability guidelines. I'm not experienced in this so I'm unsure of where to go from this point, should I just wait until an admin closes it or is there something I should be doing in the mean time? Thanks in advance! Vietminh (talk) 01:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid this AFd will have to run it's course due to 3 additional good faith delete !votes. While in the past I have ignored the rule for 1 "drive by" per nom delete !vote, I can't do it here. However, you can strike your nomination statement. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Kk thanks for clarifying, I have notified the users who commented in support of deletion that I was withdrawing, and the reasons why. 1 has said he supports my edits and that we should userify the article page. I am waiting for feedback from the other 2. Thanks again. Vietminh (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit: 2 of the users have now commented in support of my proposed edits to the article. per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RA0808#Campaign_Against_Female_Genital_Mutilation_2 Vietminh (talk) 01:59, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I noticed you deleted Comparison of FTP hosting services; I was wondering whether you could supply me the article so that I can move it to another wiki. Thanks KVDP 13:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

• Mock chop · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

I note that consensus has been reached regarding the non-notability of this item. However, with all due respect, these are people who have simply never heard of one or encountered one and due to the paucity of information available on the internet, have passed it off as a myth. It's not 'likely' that it exists, it DOES exist. I've subsequently received a reply from Speyside Specialities (http://www.speysidespecialities.co.uk/), the largest supplier of mock chops in Scotland (directly to fish and chip shops and via wholesale), complete with some basic information on what they are and how they are made, along with production figures of 3/4 tonne per week (surely notable that such an amount of something is being made by one company on a weekly basis?). Also, there is the fact that 11 Asda stores in the UK are to take orders of the mock chop beginning this month. As Asda is the UK's second largest supermarket chain, this is at least moderately notable. They have said that should anyone require further information, they would be glad to answer questions via email - info@ (web address above). Mcruic (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

• Flaps Podcast · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

The result was delete. I'm sorry Mark but there's a consensus here that your podcast isn't notable at this time. Maybe later if it gets more coverage.

Ok Ron - fair enough. I understand that's how Wikipedia works. If we get to be more notable I'll come back to you!

Thanks

Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prefadez (talk • contribs) 20:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

It's also unfortunate that you weren't aware of our guideline wrt conflict of interest. One indication that a subject might be notable (but by itself not sufficient) is if a neutral editor "takes note of" the subject and elects to write an article about it. However, per your confession of being connected to the podcast, you are not that editor. It would have been better if you had waited for one of your listeners to write the article. Regular AFD participants are sensitive to the issue of COI and that might be one of the reasons that nobody considered the possibility that some of the content of the article could have been merged to Elliott Webb. Therefore, I've redirected Flaps Podcast to there. In the future, if the podcast itself gets more overage, the standalone article might be restored. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• KNERO · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Hey, Ron. My artist was deleted. I'll like to know what can i do to create another article or submit it so i can't be deleted again? Im still trying to get the understanding how Wikipedia works. Knero (talk) 01:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Knero (talk • contribs) 00:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

If you click above where it says "afd", you will see that there was a discussion and the consensus was that the article should be deleted. Also, it does concern me that your username suggests that either you are the subject of the article or someone closely connected with him. One possible indication that a subject may be notable (but in itself not enough to pass WP:N) is if a neutral editor "takes note of" the subject and elects to write an article on it and one can't "take note of" oneself. If we are to have an article on KNERO in the future, it would be best if it weren't written by him or anybody associated with him. Please read our guidelines on autobiographies and conflict of interest. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

That's understood. There's no relation with the artist "My artist was deleted" was a typo, meant to say "My article". Im just a writer that was impress by his story. I've been interested in his career. I just happen to make the user name the same, didn't know that was an issue. Do you recommend to change my user name if so how too? (Knero (talk) 16:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC))

Okay, I've reopened the AFD and restored the article. The discussion will run another 7 days and be closed by another admin. You will need to make your case there or it's likely to be deleted again. And yes, your choice of username could have influenced both the decision to nominate the article and the !voters. many editors are sensitive to the issue of COI. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You may be working toward this, but you may also have missed that the lower case article had been redirected during the AfD process to the correctly capitalised one. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 00:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

•  Done Oops. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
  • We're all entitled to an oops or two :) Fiddle Faddle (talk) 00:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thank you for your closing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P.A.W.S.. Bearian (talk) 00:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your closing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P.A.W.S..

Bearian (talk) 00:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Now what am I gonna do with this kitten? Maybe I'll feed it the barnstar above and let it poop in one of my userboxes :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You forgot to delete the other one :) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Gregory DeLange-- DGG moved it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

•  Done Damn, second day in a row that I've missed one of these :( --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ron. Thanks for your interest in the article and for your efforts at expediting a resolution of the debate. I have posted fresh information about the Company and details about its business unit - A2Z Infrastructure at the talk page for A2Z Group. Could you please check there and let me know if I need to research any other aspect of the company. I would also be working to gather more insights about the other business units of the company shortly and will update the Article's talk pages accordingly. Will keep you posted. Please let me know if there are any other avenues I should check/research to ensure I can complete my pet project - the article for A2Z Group without any roadblocks. Is it possible for you to tell me how I can gather more healthy and active participation in the debate and in strengthening my article's reserve of information? Thanks! Willonthemove (talk) 07:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you've namechecked the wrong editor in the closing summary... GiantSnowman 10:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• S. K. Mohanty · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

I wanted to know the reason for deletion of the above mentioned article.--Nprantik (talk) 12:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This was a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. K. Mohanty. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:56, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

• Mini hockey · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]

Hi, Ron. Would you mind userfying this article that you recently deleted in AFD? I think I might be able to improve it sufficiently to put it back in mainspace, or at least merge some of the useful info with another article. Thanks. —JmaJeremy^TALK_CONTRIBS 15:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

•  Done userfied to User:Jmajeremy/Mini hockey. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

• Salafist jihadism · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

My reason to delete was 10 mins late here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Salafist_jihadism i psoted and wrote that around time you decided to keep--Misconceptions2 (talk) 02:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

What I can do is allow you to renominate the article for deletion if you wish. If you decide to go that route then please notify the other participants in the first AFD and be sure to mention this talk page post in your nomination statement. In the meantime I have moved your late AFD !vote to the AFD's talk page. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

• DJ King SamS · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

"Please userfy the DJ King SamS article[1] to User:Tani12/DJ King SamS." I need to work on it with some additional links which I hope will prove its notability. If I send the links to you will you give your opinion? Asking you for advice as you had deleted DJ king SamS. (DJKS is listed in several Wikipedia articles.[2]) (Tani12 (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC))

• Hi! Ron, I have been waiting for your response for almost the last 2 days. I really needed you advice. Now I am re-publishing the page DJ king SamS with some additional links and few changes. Hope it is up to the mark with Wikipedia standards. I really would like your sincere advice. (Tani12 (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC))
  • Userfied to User:Tani12/DJ King SamS. If you think you have sources that were not bought up at AFD then it's the community you have to convince not me. The correct forum for that is deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:27, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks user:Ron Ritzman for userfying the page for me. Going through the page deletion review I realized that the advice there is to discuss the matter with the deleting administrator and only if not solved, then take up the matter at deletion review.

Please do take some time and check the new links and references I have put up in DJ King SamS. If everything is fine please do restore the page for me.

Except for 4-5 links which were used earlier all other references and external links are totally new. Please do have a good look and give me a advice if something is wrong or else please do restore my page. Thanks. Waiting for your positive response. Tani12 (talk) 10:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC))

• Still waiting for your response. Please do asdvice. Tani12 (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2012 (UTC))

• • user:Ron Ritzman you are the administrator who deleted my article DJ king SamS earlier and I am surely waiting for your response so that I can carry my case further.

P.S: Please I am looking forward to an expert advice and no negativity from your associates. Tani12 (talk) 08:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC))

• Replied here. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks and please check here. Tani12 (talk) 13:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC))

...on the double negative. Hand me another pint of beer, and I'll bet I can reach a triple negative somewhere (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 23:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Are these AFDs somehow in an alternate dimension where this is notable? wtf? Thanks though--your hands were tied on this one.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

• S. K. Mohanty · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Dear Ron Ritzman

Please guide and help me how to put the article on “Mr. S. K. Mohanty” in Wikipedia. Recently the article was removed from wiki for lack of references. However I found some important references and listed below for your ref.

Following are some web site references which are very inspiring and informative. Looking forward to hear from you. Regards.

http://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/BFb0053269#

Electronic Publishing, Artistic Imaging, and Digital Typography Lecture Notes in Computer Science Volume 1375, 1998, pp 157-166, Springer-Verlag: London The formulation of parameters for type design of Indian scripts based on calligraphic studies • S. K. Mohanty Look Inside Get Access Abstract A number of parameters were formulated for better analysing the anatomy of Indic letterforms. This methodology contributes to the understanding of the intricacies of type design of complex Indian scripts. http://rd.springer.com/static-content/0.3811/lookinside/61/chp%253A10.1007%252FBFb0053269/000.png;jsessionid=15bo8kqe2fccvzh2mj1cm4mri

http://issuu.com/infomedia18/docs/entrepreneur_april_2011_sp

Article to “TO SAY A WORD” Entrepreneur Magazine, India Edition, Mumbai: April 2011. “Indic fonts developed by Mohanty can today be seen across print media, TV channels, official communications and general hoardings almost every where in the country. Yes he could well be called the father of Indian language fonts”.

http://www.cdac.in/html/connect/2q2001/arti13.htm Centre for Development of Advanced Computing, Government Of India, Pune, India. S. K. Mohanty, Founded and Headed the Font Design Dept. For 10 years. --Nprantik (talk) 15:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The Entrepreneur Magazine source may be promising but that's only 1. The others look like articles written "by" him not "about" him. We require the latter. A blunt but accurate summary of our notability requirements is at WP:42. However, you are still welcome to present any sources you have that you believe establishes notability to deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Didn't I do the same thing with basketball a few years ago when I was an immature vandal here?

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rugby football, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rugby football and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rugby football during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Smartyllama (talk) 10:42, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha, it did occur to me that your "Proposal, require all new article to go through Articles for creation" was an April fools on April 1 but believe me there are some editors on here who would seriously make such lame proposals so that's why none of us could be certain it wasn't a joke!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I remember once in high school (and yes I think it was on Apr 1st) the teacher gave us a weird kind of "test". it was a list of about 2 dozen instructions. The first instruction was to "read the entire list before doing anything" followed by other instructions such as, tearing off corners, folding the test in half, poking it with a pencil, and various other things designed to mutilate the test paper. The last instruction was to ignore the entire list, sign your name and turn it in. Most of the class failed. The AFC proposal was a joke and that's why I struck everything except the "punch line" at the end. I think that one thing this demonstrates is that many people "oppose" (or support) without reading the entire proposal and thinking it through. This may be one of the reasons that many proposals fail. In any case, a proposal such as that wouldn't fly (and it probably wouldn't scale) and I would never seriously propose it but it is an interesting idea. Go through all the arguing about sources and other AFD type drama *before* the article is created. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:20, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Well you have a point about fan cruft being a major problem.. But I've put various anime and in universe junk up for AFD before and they always got a resounding keep. Its fair enough that some people find it useful but it most certainly bends the idea of what constitutes an "encyclopedia". In regards to sports its become an almanac.. But looking at the new articles of late it seems the situation is not as bad as it was once..♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mobikade (2nd nomination) -- looks like a consensus to me. Is it normal for an admin to close a deletion discussion by asking a question? Shouldn't that go in the discussion itself and not in the message at the top that's supposed to close it? Shii (tock) 06:50, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't asking a question. I simply stated that there were no real arguments for deletion. You mentioned Alexa rank which is not a criteria and the only other participant said that there was no "lasting notability" but notability is not temporary. As an administrator yourself you know that AFD is a discussion, not a "vote" and after 3 weeks, I didn't see anybody provide a reason why that article should be deleted. It may indeed fail WP:WEB, I don't know (If I had an opinion one way or the other I would have !voted not closed) but somebody has to make that argument before we delete the article. Furthermore, the article had survived a previous AFD and 1 !vote is not enough to determine whether or not consensus has changed. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with Ron's closing of this AfD. I would have closed it the same way. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Mobikade. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Shii (tock) 14:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. I see you relisted this AfD, but the article was never PRODded. Can the AfD just be treated as an unconstested PROD, and the article deleted? Thanks. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 01:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Because it's not policy to do so (I've proposed that it be written into the deletion guidelines twice and it was rejected). Still I occasionally do it, mostly for BLPs, and only after multiple relists. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Flyswatter (album) · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd | afd2 | afd3 ) · [revisions]

If I read things correctly [sometimes hard to do on Wik, with its esoteric codes that Admins and techie editors seem to relish in], you deleted the article on this album. I only saw four votes (three for delete and one for keep, with a note on why). I wonder why this is considered enough to delete. Kdammers (talk) 03:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

If you browse some of the other deletion logs you will see that this is quite common and some AFDs are closed as "delete" with even less participation. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

It hardly seems adequate to me [I'm not specifically referring to this article, on which I have no opinion and only stumbled on while looking for information on flyswatters, but the low basis]. Kdammers (talk) 10:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

• Ali Paya · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd | afd2 ) · [revisions]

Dear Ron Ritzman

On 22 March 2012 you announced that you had decided to delete the entry which had been created in my name in Wikipedia. The link to the page in which you stated your decision is as as follows:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Paya

Below please find my reasons in objection to your decision:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.29.227 (talk) 10:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

All biographies of living persons are required to have sources and the article on you had none except a page at the University of Westminster which required a login and password to view. Therefore, I will not restore this version of the article but any logged in editor is free to write a new article on you. However, per our guidelines on autobiographies and conflict of interest, that editor should be somebody other then you or anybody associated with you. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The result of its AFD was merge to Coast Guard Air Station Cape Cod. That article already makes mention of that crash. Can you now complete the merge?...William 13:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Karma: The New Revolution · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Re: Deletion of article about the Karma Film

I googled this topic and came across the deleted article. I read the entire case for deletion and while I do not agree with your verdict, I respect it nonetheless. However, I must point out one very serious problem. Michitaro speculates that somehow the Buddhakahika, who is probably a Buddhist and possibly a supprter of the project is in some way associated *with* the project. This is unsubstantiated speculation that borders on libel/ slander. Many self help gurus have zealous fans that can create articles and edit them without any official representative even knowing. For eg., if I edit an article about Whitney Houston's death, can one speculate that I am covertly assocated with Ms. Houston? This is rampant speculation and conjecture. Furthermore, Michitaro goes on to suggest that somehow the makers of the film may have used unsavory ways to get publicity. What basis does he have to make such a claim? Every celebrity has a publicist who can "wheel and deal" with the media -- are you know going to delete every article that has been published unless we look at the interaction between a publicist and a reporter? How dare Michitaro suggest that respected publications like those mentioned were hoodwinked into their articles? A Wiki editor's job is to report on articles, not speclate on the journalists who wrote them. Also, many of the articles were very different and to suggest they were all written off the same press release is ridiculous. Furthermore, AP and Reuters also work off press releases FYI and so without press releases, the journalism industry would be dead.

Therefore, it is important for you to amend the archive for as it stands it does suggest an unproven link between the author of an article and its subject and makes various unproven accusations. As a law professor, I know this is libellous and a breach of ethics. Also, FYI, the reason I googled this topic is because I did watch the film and found it to be inspirational myself. But that does not change my stance which is neutral and well advised. You have the right to delete an article but you do not have the right to allow slander/ libel/ innuenndo/ speculation to potentially tarnish the reputation of those about whom the article has been written. This is a very serious precedent that can have legal raminfications and you are free to consult Wiki lawyers to confirm the same. Good faith does not encourage speculative comments such as the ones Michitaro has made about the subjects of the article, regardless of whether or not he feels the author used a sock puppet or had a room-mate/ dorm-mate edit his article. Good faith means assuming more than arm's length distance between those who edit articles (usually fans and critics of a subject) and the subjects of the article themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawprofessorabcd (talk • contribs) 21:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)