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January 3
language
I noticed you dont have arabic. Please add it
- ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:300A:16E4:8800:F5E5:E736:7606:6BC0 (talk) 06:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- The Arabic Wikipedia is over at https://ar.wikipedia.org. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Where were you looking for Arabic? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you were looking for the Arabic version of a particular article, it may just be that nobody has yet written a corresponding article in the Arabic Wikipedia. All editions of Wikipedia are independent projects, with their own editors, who work on what they choose. --ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Spelling help
Center or Centre, which is correct in Indian English? Dineshswamiin (talk) 07:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dineshswamiin: Since there is no official controlling body for Indian English, the "correct" spelling is the one most commonly used by writers of Indian English. Go see what the Times of India uses. (I'm an American barbarian, so I have no idea.) -Arch dude (talk) 07:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC) -Arch dude (talk) 07:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Since there was a British Raj, not an American Raj, "centre" seems more common. See for example Centre of Indian Trade Unions, Indian Cyber Crime Coordination Centre, Indian Centre for Space Physics, etc. If I search for "Indian Center" in Wikipedia, there are far fewer (southeast Asian) matches, and they tend to be smaller, more obscure examples, for example International Center For Management and Indian Studies (which used to be called the Centre for American Education), Indian Railways Track Machine Training Center. Perhaps it's like the situation in Canada. Here we use British spelling, but no one pays much attention if somebody uses the American version. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dineshswamiin: When the word is part of the name of an institution, then use that institution's own spelling even if this is inconsistent with other spellings within the article. -Arch dude (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Kiev Day and Night#Soundtracks splitting
Can I split Kiev Day and Night#Soundtracks as a result of too long for navigation? The Supermind (talk) 12:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think this soundtrack has enough notability - WP:GNG. Though, there seems to be two lists of songs for some reason in the article - so you could cut that down to one. I'd also promote Soundtracks to a level 2 heading, rather than level 3, as it isn't really an overview - it's the body of the article. Hope that helps. EcheveriaJ (talk) 15:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
can you help me review changes please
hello, i translated an article from the jp wiki to english here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gawr_Gura) is there anything missing I might need to add? Like a translation tag or something? or is it just fine for now?
beforehand it just redirected to the company the vtuber was affiliated with, but I deleted that and put in information now. My previous draft was declined and I'm still new here sooo still trying to learn the ropes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Too Much Distractions (talk • contribs) 15:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Too Much Distractions: the translated "tag" you asked about is {{Translated page}}, which goes on the article's talk page (another editor has already added it) - more is explained about this tag here. One thing that hadn't been added is an interlanguage link (one of the links to the other language articles on the left hand side of the page). I've added this now, but for future reference on how to do that, you can read more at Help:Interlanguage links. Also, for more general information on translating articles into English, you could read Wikipedia:Translation. Seagull123 Φ 16:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Noted. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Too Much Distractions (talk • contribs) 03:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
How to find permanent link of questions in reference desk?
How to find permanent link of questions in reference desk? Home page of reference desk only displays latest questions only. Rizosome (talk) 15:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Rizosome. You can search the Help desk archives (there's a search box near the top). Once you've found the archived item, you can create a link like
[[WP:Help desk/Archives/2020 December 25#Is my first approach toward particular user is good practice here?|Is my first approach toward particular user is good practice here?]]
displays as Is my first approach toward particular user is good practice here?. I don't know whether there is a template to generate the link more automatically: I haven't found one. --ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC) - @Rizosome: All the reference desks and the main Wikipedia:Reference desk and Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives also have a search box near the top. In Wikipedia, a permanent link actually means a link to a specific page revision and not a link to an archive page but I guess it's the archives you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I want link of a old thread(question) not all archives of that posted date. Rizosome (talk) 22:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rizosome, that's how you would get the link to the thread; link the page and direct to the section (e.g.,
[[Example page#example section]]
). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC) - @Rizosome: If you mean you want a link which only displays one section of a page then it's not possible. Tenryuu showed how to make a link with
#sectionname
which should make your browser jump to a specific section on the page. Some section names with special characters require encoding of the characters. Which section is it about? PrimeHunter (talk) 08:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Rollbacks on article Dhar
Dhar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello, I've met a ?disruptive? rollbacker while copyediting the article Dhar. The editor/bot (i'm not completely sure which) keeps rolling back my edits and giving me warnings about vandalism. I did make a minor Replace All error while editing the article, which seems to be the cause of the issue, but I'm working to fix it without removing the hours of work I've done on correcting grammar. I've tried to contact the rollbacker on the talk page and in my user talk page but they haven't responded with anything constructive. What should I do? Thanks, Shotgunscoop (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Shotgunscoop: you appear to have tried to discuss this here, but I can't see where else you've tried to contact the other user (@Serols). They did leave a few notes on your talk page saying
please note the article name
. Per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you should discuss with the other user your edits before making them again. Perhaps explain why you want to make the changes you have? Ideally, this should be done at the article's talk page. Seagull123 Φ 18:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)- Hey Seagull123, do you know what they mean by "please note the article name"? I've put the title underneath it in my talk page but I don't know if there is some specific formatting I have to use? thanks Shotgunscoop (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Shotgunscoop: I'm assuming they mean that because the article title is "Dhar" without an "ā", they think you shouldn't change the placename in the article to include the diacritic. However, I can't say for sure what they mean, so it may be best to ask Serols. Seagull123 Φ 21:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Seagull123, do you know what they mean by "please note the article name"? I've put the title underneath it in my talk page but I don't know if there is some specific formatting I have to use? thanks Shotgunscoop (talk) 20:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Shotgunscoop, and thanks for contributing to the backlog drive over at the GOCE. While I can't speak for Serols (who could have probably used another set of warning templates), I assume it's because you're adding diacritics to the a, which the article title does not have. The lack of diacritics is appropriate if reliable English sources commonly refer to it as such. The transliteration of "Dhar" that you're proposing might be better suited as a parenthetical thought in the lead accompanied by its Hindi orthography. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh ok, Tenryuu - I saw that some of the places in the article mentioning 'Dhar' had the diacritic, so I just wanted to make it uniform and more accurate to the pronunciation. thanks Shotgunscoop (talk) 20:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Editing and adding information
Hi, I have tryied to add content and was imemdiately almost punished because according to the reviewer the source was not mentioned. I have mentioned the source. Could you please advise? In advance thank you
NDJ.MD87 (talk) 18:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- NDJ.MD87, you are going to want to read up on how to appropriately cite sources. The source given doesn't seem to be a reliable source that's appropriate for the English Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia loading in Hindi by default
Why is Wikipedia loading in Hindi as the default language? I have to manually set it to English each time. Not sure how to fix this, please help. Soutrikdd (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- In the Preferences link (upper right of page) you can set the default language. CrowCaw 23:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Soutrikdd: If you start at https://www.wikipedia.org then you can use https://en.wikipedia.org instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
January 4
Trying to Add Voice Module to Infobox person with Infobox musical artists enbedded
Hi, I'm trying to add a voice sample module to the Rocky Kramer article's Infobox, which is a person infobox with a musical artist infobox embedded. The code I'm using is:
| module={{Listen |embed=yes | [[File:Rocky Kramer - Rock & Roll Tuesdays - EP2.7 - Oct 13, 2020.flac|thumb|From the Allied Artists program Rock & Roll Tuesdays with Rocky Kramer, Oct 13, 2020]] |title=Kramer's voice |type=speech |description=from the Allied Artists Program Rock & Roll Tuesdays with Rocky Kramer, EP2.7, October 13, 2020<ref>{{Cite Episode 2.7 |title= Premiere Yngwie Malmsteen Cover Video |series=Rock & Roll Tuesdays with Rocky Kramer |series-link=Allied Artists Broadcasting |url=https://youtu.be/epNrNRomKRo |access-date=January 3, 2020 |station=YouTube |date=Dec 11, 2020 }}</ref> }} |
But, the module simply doesn't appear. I placed it at the bottom, under the signature line and tried putting it above the signature, but neither worked. Is there some other code or place it needs to go as a result of the dual infobox identity?
Thank you very much for any help you can provide. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 01:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@Warriorboy85::
- Because there is already a
|module=
, your addition needs to be{{Infobox musical artist|...}}
|module2=
. - The second parameter you're providing to
{{Listen}}
is not in the correct format. Replace:
[[File:Rocky ... Kramer, Oct 13, 2020]]
- with
filename=Rocky Kramer - Rock & Roll Tuesdays - EP2.7 - Oct 13, 2020.flac
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
The edited code:
|module2={{Listen |embed=yes |filename=Rocky Kramer - Rock & Roll Tuesdays - EP2.7 - Oct 13, 2020.flac |title=Kramer's voice |type=speech |description=from the Allied Artists Program Rock & Roll Tuesdays with Rocky Kramer, EP2.7, October 13, 2020<ref>{{Cite Episode 2.7 |title= Premiere Yngwie Malmsteen Cover Video |series=Rock & Roll Tuesdays with Rocky Kramer |series-link=Allied Artists Broadcasting |url=https://youtu.be/epNrNRomKRo |access-date=January 3, 2020 |station=YouTube |date=Dec 11, 2020 }}</ref> }}
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Now that I look at it more closely, {{Cite Episode 2.7}}
is not valid, and should be replaced by the correct citation template. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @AlanM1:: Thank you so very much! I was able to get it working with the initial information you gave me. I would have never figured out to call it module2, although it makes perfect sense. I also learned not to listen to the commons that literally instructed me to use "file:" rather than the "filename:" that was on the template I snagged from another article. That should have been a clue, since it was working properly on the article I got the template from. I tried to use the "series" part of the template for the cite, but it totally rejects it, so I just used a web cite. Can you think of any reason why the web cite wouldn't be acceptable for WP requirements? In any case, I really can't thank you enough. This entire help desk are always so helpful. Happy New Year! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Warriorboy85: Template:Infobox person shows the
module2
parameter.[[File:...]]
is the stand-alone code to display a file. If you want a template to display a file then look at the template documentation, in this case Template:Listen which shows| filename =
and says: "filename (Required): the pagename of the media file, without the File: (formerly Image:) prefix". The code{{Cite Episode 2.7 |...}}
attempts to call a template with name Template:Cite Episode 2.7 but there is no such template so it fails. A template call can only use parameters which are coded in the template. I'm not sure in which template you tried to useseries
but most templates don't have such a parameter. Template:Cite web does have it. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Warriorboy85: Template:Infobox person shows the
- @AlanM1:: Thank you so very much! I was able to get it working with the initial information you gave me. I would have never figured out to call it module2, although it makes perfect sense. I also learned not to listen to the commons that literally instructed me to use "file:" rather than the "filename:" that was on the template I snagged from another article. That should have been a clue, since it was working properly on the article I got the template from. I tried to use the "series" part of the template for the cite, but it totally rejects it, so I just used a web cite. Can you think of any reason why the web cite wouldn't be acceptable for WP requirements? In any case, I really can't thank you enough. This entire help desk are always so helpful. Happy New Year! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 03:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter: Thank you very much! I think leaving it with Template:Cite web works just fine and as long as there's no requirement to use a series template (which was on the template I originally used, I think it's fine the way it is now. Again, the Help Desk comes through for me. I apologize for my naivete, but rest assured I'm learning ever so slowly, but I'm learning! Happy New Year to all of you! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 11:28, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I need to know about how to create a Wikipedia Article
Hi Wikipedia Users, I need to know what are needed to create a wikipedia Article. How should I start first? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmond Maverick (talk • contribs) 02:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Desmond Maverick: Look at WP:YFA, which will explain the steps needed to create an article, which includes indentifying sources and determining if the subject is notable. There is also a wizard there you can use to create a draft for review. Creating an article is not easy, it is usually best to start by working to improve existing articles instead. And lastly, consider why you "need" to create an article. If you are connected to the subject or are getting paid, you must make disclosures per WP:COI and WP:PAID RudolfRed (talk) 02:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Also, check out the WP:TUTORIAL and the interactive learning game WP:ADVENTURE RudolfRed (talk) 02:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very Much RudolfRed.I will make sure that I will go through these links provided before creating a Wikipedia Article. Thank You!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmond Maverick (talk • contribs) 03:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Desmond Maverick: There is only one absolute requirement for an article: the subject must be notable by our definition (WP:N). Do not put any effort into creating an article unless you have first established that your subject is notable by finding reliable sources (WP:RS). An otherwise-perfect article will be deleted if the subject is not notable: see WP:AMOUNT We delete more than 100 articles each day due to lack of notability. See WP:AFD for many depressing examples. However, if the subject is indeed notable, we can help you with any other problems. -Arch dude (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Referring Wikipedia on my website
Hi there! This is Mudassar, my website is regarding best air compressor 2021, while publishing the content on my site, I just for the sake of user that he can find more useful content, referred Wikipedia on the best air compressor page but I noticed that the Wikipedia link is not well place on my site, it's not clickable, kindly help me in that, my website page is https://ecoqueenslander.com/best-air-compressor/ Thanks in advance,
Best regards
Mudassar Ahmad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.152.43.46 (talk) 05:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is the help desk for questions about using or editing Wikipedia itself. Your question is about the format of an HTML page on your site, so you are in the wrong place. The guys over at WP:RD/C may be able to help you. -Arch dude (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I see no attempt to link or mention Wikipedia on that page. This HTML can do it:
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_compressor">Air compressor</a>
. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I see no attempt to link or mention Wikipedia on that page. This HTML can do it:
using info in wikipedia in clinic website
Dear all, We are opening a rehab clinic and working on website. My question is that can we use the info in wikipedia in our website. for example, speech therapy info. Can we take all or part of info related to this field and add it into our website?
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samialtaj (talk • contribs) 08:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Samialtaj: You can certainly . Check out Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content for the conditions. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Samialtaj: While you are free to reuse our words, you will be responsible for their use from a medical and legal perspective. In this case, this means you will need to read the references our article cites. As a theoretifal example, if one of our anonymous crowdsourcing editors accidentally or maliciously miss-states the dosage or usage of a drug or describes an experimental or discredited treatment as a useful treatment, our article will be (perhaps dangerously) incorrect. Your web site should probably include the list of references. -Arch dude (talk) 16:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi
I've just started an article for Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams who spent 43 years in prison of murder before being exonerated. Its clear that they are notable enough for Wikipedia and very widely covered in the media (I've only added a small number of the references available). However I don't understand what to call the article to correctly fit in with Wikipedia policies (biographies are not usually my thing). There appear to be a few options:
- Keep the article about two people (this makes sense logically because their stories are so closely related)
- Split it into two separate biographies
- Rename the article to be about the case (I assume this is the actual correct one but no idea what to call the case, The state of Florisa vs ??? maybe).
Which ones fit with Wikipedia's policies?
Thanks
John Cummings (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just a thought, not an answer: the article isn't about the two men. It doesn't even give their dates of birth, and there's no reason why it should. The article is about the miscarriage of justice and subsequent imprisonment. Maproom (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @John Cummings: Assuming that you intend to expand it with the details of each case, I think I'd probably go with two separate articles, named for the original cases (Florida v. ...). Alternatively, depending on what you write, it could be more about the Conviction Integrity Unit and their work and other cases as well (or that could be a separate article). Maybe look at articles about other exonerations to see what they did or ask somewhere like WT:LAW? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @John Cummings: Clifford Williams, Jr. has a brief entry on List of wrongful convictions in the United States#1970s. You could expand it with details of the crime and exoneration, and add a similar entry for Hubert Nathan Myers. Here's a good source to add with details of the alleged crime.[[1]]. I could also see a successful Conviction Integrity Unit article, showcasing news by state, including notable exonerations. Michigan, Georgia, New York and Illinois all have information about their Conviction Integrity Units on Wikipedia, which could be compiled. There would probably be less consensus to have an article named about the two men, because of WP:BLP1E that suggests their individual notability is only based on the successful appeal - a single event. But since there's also info about their attempts to get compensation for their wrongful imprisonment [[2]], and eventual success [[3]][[4]], this might survive as something like Williams and Myers wrongful conviction (I can't easily find a case name). TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Spain's daily Covid death toll
Spain is NOT reporting it's daily Covid death figures. For the last 4 days, Spain has reported zero deaths. Then after 4 days it adds 300deaths to it's total figure Spain is being dishonest, therefore Wiki should either leave a BLANK or put zero reportrd deaths for Spain. Salm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.5.136 (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Or they simply took time off due to the holidays. In any event, concerns about that article should be made on its article talk page, where editors that follow that article can examine your concerns. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- It looks like they never report on weekends anyway from the graphic in COVID-19 pandemic in Spain, and the days not reported are skipped on the image. Once Spain starts reporting again, someone will update the graphic (which uses a template) appropriately. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- A lot of places report statistics differently, even on a subnational level. In Canada, Alberta publishes almost every day while British Columbia only does Monday–Friday when there are no holidays. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- There have also been delays in many places caused by technology failures, staff being overwhelmed by sudden surges, etc. <anti_political_rant>I wonder if we'll ever return from this place where people are being taught by their leaders to automatically assume bad faith.</anti_political_rant> —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Prepration for IELTS exam
I wanna crack it in first attempt with high score band — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:4483:9D50:0:6E:A299:3601 (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is the help desk for the English Wikipedia. Have you a question about the English Wikipedia? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
my ineptitude
Can someone tell me what I did wrong at the unblock request at the bottom of User talk:Supreme Deliciousness#December 2020? I just choke whenever I have to subst. —valereee (talk) 15:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- I fixed it. You had used an unnecessary template-within-a-template. Specifically, |accept = {{subst:I've unblocked for reasons unrelated to the unblock request}} rather than just putting the unblock reason after the accept pipe. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, so the fix really was just as easy as it looked? Huh. I will never truly 'get' subst. I am always just guessing what I'm supposed to do. I have to learn literally every new use of it on a case-by-case basis. —valereee (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Valereee: The admin instructions on "show" at [5] do seem confusing to me. It says
accept = {{subst:accept reason here}}
. It looks like you should only replaceaccept reason here
but you are supposed to replace the whole{{subst:accept reason here}}
. It just saidaccept = accept reason here
before MSGJ added{{subst:...}}
in [6]. It was part of a request at Template talk:Unblock#Template-protected edit request on 7 January 2020 from Anomalocaris who added it to a sandbox version in [7]. Anomalocaris probably did it to be equivalent todecline = {{subst:Decline reason here}}
. But this relies on substituting a default {{Decline reason here}} if the admin doesn't write a reason. We have no default {{Accept reason here}} so you have to write a reason if you accept. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)- @PrimeHunter and that is exactly what I did -- I put the accept reason into the subst template. And then I looked at the result and thought...if I just remove the subst: and curlies, am I somehow going to keep it from doing whatever it's supposed to do? I think maybe it needs the subst template in there simply to keep the unblock request in the category? —valereee (talk) 19:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- PrimeHunter, Valereee: Sorry to cause problems. Glad it has been diagnosed. I've put in an edit request to undo the damage. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Anomalocaris, I don't think you caused any problems. An admin who needs extremely clear instructions to prevent her effing up caused the problem. :) Most admins I've seen are using this template perfectly well. :) —valereee (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Anomalocaris, the parameter value was still displayed so this was a minor issue. A search [8] currently finds 3 other cases by 3 different admins at User talk:Wikimench100, User talk:BossMayhem250, User talk:Malware in use. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Anomalocaris, I don't think you caused any problems. An admin who needs extremely clear instructions to prevent her effing up caused the problem. :) Most admins I've seen are using this template perfectly well. :) —valereee (talk) 22:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Valereee: The admin instructions on "show" at [5] do seem confusing to me. It says
- Thanks, so the fix really was just as easy as it looked? Huh. I will never truly 'get' subst. I am always just guessing what I'm supposed to do. I have to learn literally every new use of it on a case-by-case basis. —valereee (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Archiving talk pages
I'm just starting to get into archiving talk pages after years of neglect, but I'm a little confused over how some are done. For example - Talk:Severus Snape has 7 already existing archives, but nothing since 2015, and even looking through the talk page history I can't see where the archiving was done. If I want to start archiving again, how do I do so in these scenarios? Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: that talk page doesn't appear to have automatic archiving set up. That means that all the archives so far have been done manually by other users manually cutting and pasting old discussions. The help page explaining how to archive talk pages is Help:Archiving a talk page. You could either continue to manually archive old discussions, or set up automatic archiving by following the instructions here. Seagull123 Φ 18:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I should perhaps have been a bit clearer - I know how to set up archiving, but acknowledge that there are different methods available, with the most popular being Cluebot and Miszabot. I wanted to know if it was possible to identify what method had been used in the past so I could duplicate it on the necessary pages.
- However, you've answered the question, so thanks, and I'll set it up for automatic archiving. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: I archive my talk page manually. Take a look. You might like my method, you might not, but it's one way to do it.
OPPO X 2021
apparent draft article
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The OPPO X 2021 rollable concept handset is the latest achievement of OPPO’s R&D in the flexible display and structural stacking, bringing users a more natural interactive experience. The concept handset features OPPO’s three proprietary technologies, including the Roll Motor powertrain, 2-in-1 Plate, and self-developed Warp Track high-strength screen laminate. They lead to a continuously variable OLED display that measures as small as 6.7 inches and as large as 7.4 inches, which allows users to adjust the size of the display based on actual needs. 900x400px|miniaturadeimagen 400x800px|miniaturadeimagen These innovative technologies not only enable the OPPO X 2021 to expand and retract smoothly but also ensure an excellent display effect with zero creases and zero dents, even when the screen is rolled up.
400x400px|miniaturadeimagen When playing a game in full screen, you can also display message dialogues in an expanded area.
Reference |
— Preceding unsigned comment added by JCarlosTrujillo (talk • contribs)
- JCarlosTrujillo This is not the place for article drafts. Did you have a question about using Wikipedia? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Where can I find list of Wikipedia logos from 2001?
I know Wikipedia logos gone through some changes. Where can I find list of Wikipedia logos from 2001? Rizosome (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rizosome: Check out Wikipedia:Wikipedia logos and Wikipedia logo RudolfRed (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Is my request of adding info at COVID19 strain not satisfactory?
I requested here
Is my request of adding info at COVID19 strain not satisfactory? Rizosome (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rizosome: You only just posted that suggestion today. You need to give other editors time to engage in the discussion. RudolfRed (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: @PrimeHunter: Still they didn't respond. What shall I do? Rizosome (talk) 13:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rizosome: The article is not protected. You could try adding it yourself but some might prefer a non-Indian source for a claim that India did something first to a strain discovered long before in the UK. Your source says: "In a tweet, the ICMR claimed that no country has yet reported successful isolation and culture of the U.K. variant of SARS-CoV-2." A tweet does not sound good for this, and even the Indian source uses the word "claimed". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
What CSS has Wikipedia applied to it infoboxes?
ON MOBILE What CSS has Wikipedia applied to it infoboxes to make text smaller, better space-out and with watermark kind of lines that clearly separate each items?
It's now different than 6month ago.
Is there a way to add a screenshot shot to demonstrate this?
Goodman Andrew (talk)
- Right now it seems to be this in mayor parts:
.content .infobox {
font-size:90%;
position:relative;
border:1px solid #eaecf0;
margin-bottom:2em;
background-color:#f8f9fa;
display:flex;
flex:1 1 100%;
flex-flow:column nowrap;
width:100% !important;
max-width:100% !important
}
- I don't know what it was before since I don't use mobile. The above rule is overridden when your screen gets wider. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt: where is this CSS applied. I don't see it at 'MediaWiki:Mobile.css' nor 'MediaWiki:Common.css'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodman Andrew (talk • contribs)
- @Goodman Andrew: Looks like the MediaWiki Developers have written this, thoguh I am not sure. The CSS code appears to be from the module named skins.minerva.content.styles, which is a hardcoded MediaWiki file (files editable for the average users start with ext.gadget) and therefore cannot be edited by anyone who doesn't have access to the server. The File Is available under this URL, and also contains a bunch of rules which apply for bigger devices (though you probbably need to format it first). Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt: you are pretty knowledgeable. I would be happy if you could provide me step by step on how to make another MediaWiki instance (their infoboxes) to look exactly like it is on Wikipedia MOBILE. Assumed that I have server access. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodman Andrew (talk • contribs)
- @Goodman Andrew: Please sign your posts with
~~~~
. It is required for user notifications to work. I'm pinging Victor Schmidt for you. Can you give a link to the wiki, and say whether it's for the desktop and/or mobile version if they have both? Then we can see what they already have in their CSS (with possible conflicts) and whether they assign a class likeinfobox
to their infoboxes so CSS can be targeted. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)- @Goodman Andrew: I am not an expert at MediaWiki (the software behind Wikipedia). Without a Wiki to look at, I can only give you the adive that you copy these rules into your wiki version of MediaWiki:Mobile.css, and then use a desktop browser's developer tools to eliminate conflicting rules. You have to check carefully before though (with a desktop browser explicitely requesting the mobile version), because, based on the Module ID, it could be that this is actually embeded in the skin for mobile, which goes by the name minerva, though I cannot tell this for sure due to my limited knowledge. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Update: I have managed to find the source code for the skin, and looks like these definitions are indeed part of the skin. That means for you, if you have a recent version of the skin (which actually goes by the name MinervaNeue) installed, you only have to worry about giving your infobox the CSS class "infobox" with class="infobox". The good thing about that is that these things can be done with pure wiki editing by making sure the infobox templates on your wiki add that CSS class. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Goodman Andrew: I am not an expert at MediaWiki (the software behind Wikipedia). Without a Wiki to look at, I can only give you the adive that you copy these rules into your wiki version of MediaWiki:Mobile.css, and then use a desktop browser's developer tools to eliminate conflicting rules. You have to check carefully before though (with a desktop browser explicitely requesting the mobile version), because, based on the Module ID, it could be that this is actually embeded in the skin for mobile, which goes by the name minerva, though I cannot tell this for sure due to my limited knowledge. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Goodman Andrew: Please sign your posts with
- @Victor Schmidt: you are pretty knowledgeable. I would be happy if you could provide me step by step on how to make another MediaWiki instance (their infoboxes) to look exactly like it is on Wikipedia MOBILE. Assumed that I have server access. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodman Andrew (talk • contribs)
- @Goodman Andrew: Looks like the MediaWiki Developers have written this, thoguh I am not sure. The CSS code appears to be from the module named skins.minerva.content.styles, which is a hardcoded MediaWiki file (files editable for the average users start with ext.gadget) and therefore cannot be edited by anyone who doesn't have access to the server. The File Is available under this URL, and also contains a bunch of rules which apply for bigger devices (though you probbably need to format it first). Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt: where is this CSS applied. I don't see it at 'MediaWiki:Mobile.css' nor 'MediaWiki:Common.css'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodman Andrew (talk • contribs)
Fact check on this user.
This Wikipedian user got 100,000 edit award within 2 years of creation. That's a big achievement in less time. Is it true? Rizosome (talk) 18:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rizosome: According to [9], it is true. And even if not the WP:Service Awards are just for fun and it doesn't matter. RudolfRed (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rizosome: You can see their contributions at Special:Contributions/Sc2353. Things like category editing can result in large numbers of edits in a short time. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Convert Wikipedia equations and math symbols to Microsoft Word format
Is there any program that will convert mathematical equations and symbols which appear in Wikipedia articles to mathematical symbols that can be pasted into Microsoft Word? 002Frank (talk) 20:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- 002Frank, since mathematical equations use LaTeX as the base code, you might want to look for Word plugins that allow the user to create equations in the app with LaTeX; according to this article in Nature, if you're using Word 2017 or later, the built-in equation editor should already use LaTeX. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I need two templates
I need one article template tag that requires an article section needs to be replaced. I need another one that tags that the section needs more authority sources. Can anyone paste them here for me so I can use them?--Buzles (talk) 23:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Buzles, I assume for a tag that asks for
an article section [that] needs to be replaced
you're looking for {{cleanup rewrite}} (with the second parameter|2=
set tosection
), and for sections that needmore authority sources
you're looking for {{more citations needed section}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Dear User:Tenryuu, seeing that it's already been added, that one is okay. The second one I need for something asking for that's an authority on the subject. One that states "This section may need more citations from an authority on the subject." If there is one, please post it here. Many thanks.--Buzles (talk) 23:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
January 5
Creating a link to another Wikipedia page.
Dear Help Desk,
I am currently working on a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Ben-Ami and would like to create a link to a play in which he acted called "We Will Never Die" which can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Will_Never_Die
How do I do this?
Thanks.
§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaboodilski (talk • contribs) 07:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Kaboodilski: You can look at existing code to see how it does something.
''[[We Will Never Die]]''
produces We Will Never Die. The outer apostrophes make italics. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you PrimeHunter, it worked like a dream.
- § — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaboodilski (talk • contribs) 08:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Kaboodilski: This is something for your bookmarks: Help:Cheatsheet. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Kaboodilski: Please sign your messages on discussion (talk) pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:
This is the last line of the message. ~~~~
The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps readers understand who said what. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Will do!
Kaboodilski (talk) 11:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Mick Wheble MBE
Add to his Wikipedia profile that Mick Wheble MBE was a top under 17 amateur boxer winning the BRITISH AND COMMONWEALTH AND EUROPEAN UNDER 17 CHAMPION AND WAS A YOUNG ENGLAND INTERNATIONAL UNDER 17 BOXER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.209.207 (talk) 09:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source over at the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorting search results
Is there a way to get search results of archives to be presented in chronological order? For example if I search this HD archive for my own username it will deliver quite a large number of hits. If I'm looking for something that I remember posting four or five months ago it would really help if the search result were sorted instead of (apparently) random. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Dodger67: The ten possible sort orders are at mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Explicit sort orders. Click "Advanced search" and then "Sorting order" on search pages to choose "Edit date – current on top" or "Creation date – current on top" instead of the default Relevance. User:PrimeHunter/Search sort.js adds a link on search pages to repeat the search with any of the ten orders. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
[HELP] Uploading Image
Hello, I am in-charge of the creation of Party Animals (Video Game) wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Animals_(video_game)) and I wanted to put an image on our infobox which is this https://www.flickr.com/photos/191390043@N06/50701798438/in/dateposted-public/ however, it's getting flagged and I know why but would you be able to tell me what is the best way for us to upload the image?
I'll be waiting for a reply. Thank you.
Mikobonits (talk) 10:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Before you can think of copying the image to Wikipedia you will have to change its license, which at present says "all rights reserved". It need to be put into the public domain or given a CC BY SA-4.0 (or similar) license. Note that commercial use must be allowed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: a cover image like this will pass fair use so a re-license is not necessary. Arguably, it is not the "best way" for a business to publish their media, either. I've uploaded File:Party Animals cover.jpg and added it to the article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Mikobonits. If you are "in charge of the creation" of a Wikipedia article, you need to read about ownership of articles, about editing with a conflict of interest and possibly about Paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 13:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Lee J Hopper
How can I add this author to Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portico03140 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Portico03140, you would have to establish Hopper is notable by Wikipedia's standards. If you have around three or four reliable, independent sources it has a fighting chance as a draft. I'll caution you now that creating an article is one of the hardest things to do here, and it might be better to take smaller steps first like existing pre-existing articles or going through tutorials like The Wikipedia Adventure. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:38, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Find which pages I created that are reviewed
If I search here, I can find the Curation log of specific pages, but I want to search for all pages that I edited, or at least created. link ~ Shushugah (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah: You've created 14 articles, according to this link. There's also this link which shows all pages you've created. Seagull123 Φ 15:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Seagull123: Thank you for the speedy reply. Which one of those pages are reviewed? Currently I'd need to enter each one manually in this Curated Page Review log Shushugah (talk) 15:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah: hmmm, I'm not sure how you'd do that, unfortunately. Perhaps one of the tools in this template (or this one) might help? Seagull123 Φ 16:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Seagull123: Thank you for the speedy reply. Which one of those pages are reviewed? Currently I'd need to enter each one manually in this Curated Page Review log Shushugah (talk) 15:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Want to rectify the mistakes in MARAVAR
There are lots of mistakes and misconception in the artice MARAVAR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.136.13 (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 16:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Maravar TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
How to edit.
Can anyone please help me with some basic information over how to edit and put references in Wikipedia? Thank you in advance.Lemofe (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Lemofe: does WP:REFBEGIN help you? Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Lemofe see WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Lemofe: You may also want to try the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE RudolfRed (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Mescalero Sands National Natural Landmark
I noticed that you were wanting more information about the Mescalero Sands NNL in New Mexico. I fought for 14 years (1961-1975) to get the three main dunes set aside as an Outstanding Natural Area (ONA) so I guess I may have the best advantage/knowledge to tell the history of that achievement. I have done several shows of my photography during the effort and have attached what I usually hand out at my presentations. However, I am also attaching what I sent to Wikipedia for review as outlined in your directions of format/editing but have not had a response. I made it clear that I am open to any changes and/or deletions/additions as requested. I am currently Library Coordinator and Scholar in Residence at Trinidad State in Trinidad, CO
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Mescalero Sands of New Mexico National Natural Landmark By Calvin B. Smith "The solitude swept over me but so did an enriching, overwhelming peace." Beginning in 1961 Calvin B. Smith began an extensive reconnaissance of the Mescalero Sands of New Mexico. The Mescalero Sands National Natural Landmark lies just below the western edge of the Llano Estacado known as Mescalero Ridge, locally called "The Caprock". U. S. Highway 380 bisects this sandy region located midway between Roswell and Tatum, New Mexico. The most outstanding physiological feature from Mescalero Point, 4,511 feet above sea level are three very light colored mobile dunes named the Mescalero Sands by early pioneers and travelers through the area. The dune field is located 10 miles west of the small combination Post Office and general store of Caprock, New Mexico and from 6 to 10 miles south of U. S. 380. A separate mobile dune field is located just south of U. S. 380, 36 miles east of Roswell, New Mexico is open for All Terrain Vehicles (ATV's). The 610-acre recreational area designated by the Bureau of Land Management as the Mescalero Sands North Dune Off Highway Vehicles (OHV) Area. The three main dunes are located at the extreme northern limits of the Chihuahuan Desert and peripheral grasslands environment of the southern end of the Great High Plains making it ideal for ecotonal studies. The climate is typically semi-arid but influenced by both the Upper and Lower Sonoran vegetative groups with mesquite, creosote bush and occasional juniper with dominant "Quercus harvardii", called shin oak or shinnery, surrounding and separating the dune fields. The rainfall averages 15 inches a year and 200 days without a killing frost from April to October. The potential evaporation can reach 33 inches per year considering the 60-70 percent of sunshine. Temperatures are generally mild but can range from 110 to minus 25 degrees Fahrenheit. From Mescalero Point to the base of Mescalero Ridge the escarpment drops off steeply to 4,200 feet or about 300 feet to the sandy environments. There is a slight downward topographic change westward to the Pecos River approximately 40 miles away with a channel altitude of 3,600 feet at this point in its drainage. The escarpment is essentially composed of the Dockum-Lykins formation of the Upper Triassic and is overlaid by the Ogallala formation which is of a limestone composition commonly referred to as caliche which is of Pliocene age. There are Permian outcrops in the breaks around the Pecos River but the sandy regions are from Quaternary origins composed of Pleistocene and Altithermal period Aeolian deposits created during the Altithermal some 7,500 years ago. Unlike the White Sands National Monument to the west of Alamogordo, New Mexico which are composed of gypsum, the Mescalero Sands are fine grain quartz attributed to the Monahans deposition. They overlay the Judkin formation of the mid-Wisconsin glaciation some 18-20,000 years ago and are from lake beds that have been dated from snail samples to approximately 13,000 years ago. The oak forest of shin-high, Quercus harvardii, stabilizes most of the dune field with only a few mobile dunes which, due to the prevailing southwesterly winds move up to ten feet a year to the northeast. The dunes themselves are normally Barcan in form, reaching heights of 60-70 feet, but as they move perpendicular to the winds they become lenticular in shape. Being just above the alluvium, moisture bearing strata, there are a few seep springs within the three main dunes and windmills are pumping water from 35-65 feet deep. There were many springs at the base of the escarpment during the historic settlement period at the turn of the 20th century and best known was Mescalero Springs which supplied ample water for large herds of cattle and horses, but they rarely flow currently. The springs and atmospheric moisture running away from the escarpment never reach the Pecos River, with the sand serving as an entrapment thus all water percolates into shallow sub-surface catchment basins. The wetness within the sands may also contribute to the vast quantities of fulgurite found in the mobile dunes. Often called "petrified lightning" these tubes of glass are formed when lightning strikes the sand. The earliest evidence of humans occupying the region is from the Clovis-Folsom Paleo period from 13-11,500 years ago. Although there are remains of mammoths eroding out of the Judkin "hardpan" three miles south of the south dune and fragments of one at the edge of the remnant lakebed in the south dune there is no evidence of direct association with humans. There was, however the base of a Folsom Point found in the center dune. It is believed that the lakebed(s) forming the three main dunes were still active until the end of the Pleistocene or at the boundary of the Holocene. The Archaic Period appears to have been temporary occupations from the west and south with few concentrations representing the early Holocene up to the Formative Stage where large amounts of arrow points, pottery and tools are common on the surface throughout the immediate area. Several middens have also been surveyed and reported just below the escarpment mostly to the south. There is also evidence of later Native American cultures such as Comanches and Apaches utilizing the Llano Estacado and the edge habitat the sands offered in alternative resources. The first European contact was not by the Conquistadors but during the Spanish Colonial Period from early 1600's through the early 1700's when "Pearlers" made treks from Santa Fe down the Pecos River to lower Bosque Grande where the Sacramento River (now the Rio Penasco) flows into the Pecos River they then cut across the sands to the escarpment with fresh water and onto the treeless and waterless "Staked Plains" on over to the eastern edge of the Llano Estacado and down to Tobacco Creek ending up on the Concho River where they collected freshwater pink to purple pearls, one of the few treasures they were able to send back to Spain. The southern end of the western escarpment was described by Captain C. L. Taplin in March, 1854, who was assistant to Captain John Pope who was in command of exploring the southern route for the Pacific Railroad Survey. He found the travel extremely difficult discouraging any further wagon or rail passage through the area and early maps indicated, "Void of Wood and Water" that prevented homestead settlement in the region for many years. Lieutenant Colonel William Shafter entered the area in 1875 in an attempt to push the Apaches onto the reservation in the Sacramento Mountains and discovered "Dug Springs" where indigenous people had dug out several springs as well as Monument Springs where there was a natural flowing spring both at the southern edge of the escarpment. The first permanent Anglo resident of the Mescalero Sands was a buffalo hunter named George Causey. He had built a house in Yellowhouse Canyon west of present day Lubbock, Texas and established a camp at the springs near Ranger Lake north of present day Tatum, New Mexico but sold out to the Littlefield Ranch and he and his brother John built a way station just north and below Mescalero Point as a stopover and resting location for freighters transporting goods from the nearest railhead in Midland, Texas to Roswell, New Mexico. Another prominent figure in the settlement of the Mescalero Sands was a character called "Old Man Harry", an English sailor who jumped ship and swam to Padre Island, Texas and made his way up to the LFD (Littlefield) Ranch and eventually established a herd of his own and built a rock house east of the south dune at the base of the escarpment just south of Mescalero Springs. He was remembered for having the only phonograph in the area before he was buried just north of his house where the marker reads: "AT REST HARRY ROBINSON BORN KENT CO ENGLAND JAN 9 1836 DIED AUG 3 1911 Out of Sight but Memory Never". Another one of the original Anglo settlers was Clyde Browning, who moved to just below the escarpment as a child when his father homesteaded in the 1880's south of Old Man Harry's place. He became a valuable resource for this story and told the author that, "if it had not been for the deer that hung out in the three main dunes they would have probably starved out". Just after the turn of the 20th century "nesters" began to take advantage of the strips of free government land that were found between the larger ranches, often under the protest of gunfire. One of these homesteaders was a man by the name of Lon Levi who in the 1920's lived in a dugout on the east side of the north dune. He plowed a field and planted subsistence crops which included watermelons. Some of his farming equipment that remained consisted of a planter and a rake which perpetuated the erroneous story that a wagon train had been attacked by Indians because of the quantity of flint "arrowheads" that had been found in the hollows or "blowouts" adjacent to the field. Although a motorized vehicle got stuck between the Causey way station and Roswell and the occupants had to be rescued, there is no verifiable evidence of a wagon train being endangered in the area. Near the old field the last of an elk herd that had been brought in by Joe Lane who owned the Four Lakes Ranch northwest of Tatum had escaped their compound and made their way down into the sands in the late 1940's and survived until the 1960's when the last old cow was killed. She had been feeding with the cattle and was shot and left by poachers and the antlers of the last bull were at the Culp Ranch just east of the north dune. The first time the author entered the three main dunes was in 1961 and he began to take 35mm slides using an Argus C-3 Matchmatic with 25 ASA film of the environs, the cultural and natural elements of this unique area which both surprised and lured him into the distinctive expanse time after time. He began to see the Sandhill Whitetailed deer that were often referred to as "midgets" but he found them to be comparable in size to the Texas Whitetail that he had hunted, in fact some of the bucks appeared to be larger than typical, Odocoileus virginianus texanus, but smaller than the Plains Whitetail, O.v. macrourus. He found that Vernon Bailey, a prominent naturalist of the early 20th century, also believed them to be a separate sub-species. J. Stockley Ligon an early conservationist in New Mexico in his 1927 book, "Wildlife of New Mexico" found them ranging from Blackwater Draw between Portales and Clovis, New Mexico all the way down to the Monahans Sands in Texas but also thought them to be isolated enough in both time and space to be considered unique. By 1943-44, H. Ernest Hall compiled a report entitled, "Sandhill White-tailed Deer Restoration" for the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish wherein he found only two remaining herds split by U. S. Highway 380 with not more than 30 individuals in each herd. In 1964 the author found his "white whale" that Ahab had pursued in, Moby-Dick or The Whale, the novel by Herman Melville published in 1851, which was a complete skull with the antlers attached buried in the north dune. The challenge was to determine if these deer were in fact an undefined sub-species and to approach the question through the scientific method he would have to know a lot more about their environment. He began by placing several nine-foot galvanized stakes marked in alternate red and white one inch intervals in specific locations in and around the north dune. The resulting evidence showed that the shinnery was holding the sands in place but that the entire north dune was moving up to ten feet a year to the northeast due to the prevailing southwesterly winds. He and a colleague, Dr. Roy Blizzard, hauled a 55 gallon drum a mile into the north dune that had both ends cut out but with a removable lid and calibrated in one inch intervals on the inside to show groundwater fluctuation in a seep spring in the north dune. Unfortunately, it was covered by a sand dune and never found again. An accumulative rain gage was placed on an abandoned windmill tower on the west side of the south dune but was destroyed by vandals. The author was greatly encouraged in observing the deer he discovered they had several morphological variations between the Texas species and those living in the Mescalero Sands. The latter were much lighter in color throughout the year with only dark patches between the eyes, on the chest and on the outside tip of the tail in difference to the "texanus" which had much darker pelage and larger dark spots in each of the same locations. However, that alone was not enough to determine sub-speciation. So, it was decided that the most sensible approach would be to try to trap some specimens and record more specific data and attach easily identifiable collars on them in order to observe behavioral characteristics. During the summer of 1967 the author and his wife, Shirley East-Smith, spent the three months on the northwest corner of the north dune in order to gather an ecological accounting of the multiple habitats within the biome. They collected 183 reptiles, 53 mammals, over 100 plants, many insects and recorded numerous bird species all of which are in the natural history collections at Eastern New Mexico University in Portales, New Mexico where they both received their Master's degrees. Another survey was also initiated during this same period to determine if different portions of the north dune were utilized by diverse indigenous peoples through time. Sequentially numbered wooden stakes were placed in adjoining blowouts with all lithics, pottery and ground stone being recorded revealing that certain areas were indeed being occupied by dissimilar groups at different times. As a result of this research showing that a non-structural site can be used for archaeological interpretations the Mescalero Sands were placed on the State Register, "giving public recognition to the cultural value of the property aiding in protection against destruction by certain State and Federal programs of construction". By the end of the study it was evident that there were only about two dozen deer south of U. S. 380 and probably only a dozen north of the highway. It was also confirmed that mule deer, Odocoileus hemionus, were beginning to move into the region having already been taken during hunting season on the southern end of Mescalero Ridge which as they moved north from the Guadalupe Mountains certainly would be a threat to the whitetail population. On January 1, 1968 the author rode into the area on horseback and found where approximately ten deer were feeding on the wild watermelons that had evolved from Lon Levi's plantings in the 1920's. About a dozen shed antlers had been collected in and around the old field and Walter Rogers, a predator control officer for the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, had told the author that they were commonly found there during the winter months depending on the melons as a food source. The author approached the regional conservation officer, John Mechler, about borrowing some of the department's Thompson type deer traps that could be used to capture and release the deer but he and others warned me that it was probably an effort in futility because of the whitetail's cautious behavior. Due to unforeseen circumstances the five traps were not delivered until the 28th of December of 1968 and after recognizing that the deer would not enter the trap unless all the excess melons were removed from the old field with the help of Sam McCallum removed all of the melons except those being used as bait. Even then they found where the deer had dug out melons that had been covered by the constantly moving sand, the author began to cut off a portion of one of the melons and wipe down the trap and his tracks before finally capturing a buck with secure antlers on January 12, 1969. Using 10 milligrams of a muscle relaxant, sucostrin (succinylcholine chloride) administered by a Cap-Chur CO2 powered pistol, the buck could be safely handled in 5 minutes and after many measurements and blood samples taken, a neck collar affixed, a numbered metal tag placed in his ear, he regained his faculties and exited the field exactly one hour after being injected with the drug. Unfortunately, the buck was later found by seeing his collar in an aerial survey but after investigating he was too mutilated to determine cause of death and probably died around April which ruled out the possibility of a blood disease, black leg, which usually occurs within two weeks of blood samples being taken. During the next season dune-buggy enthusiasts kept the deer out of the area almost continuously but after a determined effort the second buck was captured on January 25, 1970. He had lost his antlers and was immobile 10 minutes less than the one previously using the same dosage. The same procedure for taking tests was followed but this was before DNA analysis had been developed and the electrophoresis available to the University was not adequate to distinguish sub-speciation. Both deer, by using live tooth analysis would have been 8-10 years old, but with the skull of the first buck the teeth showed an excessive amount of abrasion due to the sand accumulated in their diet so both were probably considerably younger. The second buck was observed by plane two, three and a little more than four weeks after his capture and release. During the 1800's and early 1900's a wave of new species were identified based on taxonomic characteristics alone but there was a concern that there had been an oversimplification of the differences, however with the advent of recent serological methods and techniques it has been shown that most of the original classifications were sound. Unfortunately, it was too late for the author to publish on the Sandhill Whitetail as, O. v. arenarius (sand loving) by the time the Bureau of Land Management, with encouragement of the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, the New Mexico Wildlife and Conservation Association, the New Mexico Academy of Science and Eastern New Mexico University, deemed it suitable as an Outstanding Natural Area (ONA). By then the whitetail deer north of U. S. 380 were essentially hunted out and only a few had been seen in the late 1970’s in the Mescalero Sands and only mule deer in the 1980’s which are currently plentiful in the region. It was a small lizard, which had been taken during the summer of 1967, that helped establish the 6,293 acre preserve, now accessible only by foot or horseback and secure the dune’s permanency for future generations. The Dunes Sagebrush Lizard, Sceloporus arenicolus, (occurring, burrowing or inhabiting in sand) was declared threatened by the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service with a great deal of pressure from numerous conservation societies and organizations but has been pulled from the list until further research on the species can be conducted. The three main dunes were declared a National Natural Landmark in 1982, as “The best example of an active sand dune system in the southern Great Plains” and the author is still seeking answers. References During the Initial Investigations Bailey, Vernon 1931 Mammals of New Mexico, North American Fauna, No. 53, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Biological Survey, U. S. Government Printing Office, 412 pp. 1913 Life Zones and Crop Zones of New Mexico, North American Fauna, No. 35, U. S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Biological Survey, U. S. Government Printing Office, 100 pp. 1905 Biological Survey of Texas, No. 25, U. S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Biological Survey, U. S. Government Printing Office, 262 pp. Findley, James S., Arthur H. Harris, Don E. Wilson and Clyde Jones 1975 Mammals of New Mexico, University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 360 pp. Hall, H. Ernest 1944 “Sandhill White-tailed Deer Restoration”, Project Record Report, New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, Santa Fe, New Mexico Hibbler, Charles 1969 Personal communication Johnson, Carl Lane 1969 Personal communication Ligon, J. Stokley 1927 Wildlife of New Mexico Its Conservation and Management, New Mexico State Game Commission, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 212 pp. Oetking, P., H. B. Renfro, D. E. Feray and A. P. Bennison 1967 Geological Highway Maps for the Regions: Great Plains, Mid-Continent and Texas, USGS Map Series No. 2, Tulsa, Oklahoma Pope, Capt. John 1854 Route Near the Thirty-Second Parallel, From the Red River to the Rio Grande, Explored by Bvt. Capt. John Pope, Top. Engineers, in 1854, 52 pp. Rogers, Walter 1968 Personal communication 1966 Smith, Calvin B. "The Paleo-Indian in Southeastern New Mexico," Transactions of the Second Regional Archaeological Symposium for Southeastern New Mexico and Western Texas, Special Bulletin No. 1, Midland Archaeological Society, pp. 3-8, Midland, Texas 1971 Mescalero Sands Natural Studies Plan, Natural History Museum and the Paleo-Indian Institute, Eastern New Mexico University, 50 pp. Taylor, Walter P. 1965 The Deer of North America, The Wildlife Management Institute, Washington D. C., 668 pp. Tuan, Yi-fu, Cyril E. Everard and Jerold G. Widdison 1969 The Climate of New Mexico, State Planning Office, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 169 pp. Wendorf, Fred, Alex D. Krieger, Claude C. Albritton and T. D. Stewart 1955 The Midland Discovery: A Report on the Pleistocene Human Remains from Midland, Texas, University of Texas Press, Austin, Texas 139 pp. Whitlock, Vivian 1970 Cowboy Life on the Llano Estacado, University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, Oklahoma, 320 pp. Link: National Park Service 1982 “Mescalero Sands South Dune”, National Natural Landmarks, https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nnlandmarks/site.htm?Site=MESA-NM Sent to Wikipedia previously: Mescalero Sands National Natural Landmark The Mescalero Sands of New Mexico designation was established in 1982, as the National Natural Landmark known as the Mescalero Sands South Dune, consisting of a dune field with three large mobile dunes separated by a vast oak forest of "shinnery" visible from Mescalero Point at the edge of the Mescalero Ridge escarpment delineating the Llano Estacado or "Staked Plains" at the southwestern edge of the Great High Plains from the Querecho Plains and the Pecos River valley in southeastern New Mexico. Calvin B. Smith worked with the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, the Bureau of Land Management, the New Mexico Wildlife Conservation Association, the New Mexico Academy of Sciences and Eastern New Mexico University for 14 years to get the pristine sand biome known as the Mescalero Sands set aside as a protected research/resource environment. One of his goals was to determine if an isolated population of white-tailed deer were a unique sub-species. Surveys revealed there were only about 30 remaining in their habitat and were declining. It was not until the early 1980’s that the ONA designation was achieved and by this time, this population of white-tailed deer was doomed to extinction. One small lizard, Sceloporus arenicolus, because of its endangerment from the petroleum exploration and production in the region was the deciding factor in creating the preserve. Contents Prologue The Setting Physiography Geology Natural History Cultural Affiliations Archaeology History Ecology In Search of Justification In Pursuit of an ONA Epilogue: Still Seeking the Answers Prologue: The Setting Beginning in 1961 Calvin B. Smith began an extensive reconnaissance of the Mescalero Sands of New Mexico. The Mescalero Sands National Natural Landmark [10] lies just below the western edge of the Llano Estacado known as Mescalero Ridge, locally called "The Caprock". U. S. Highway 380 bisects this sandy region located midway between Roswell and Tatum, New Mexico. The most outstanding physiological feature from Mescalero Point, 4,511 feet above sea level are three very light colored mobile dunes named the Mescalero Sands by early pioneers and travelers through the area. The dune field is located 10 miles west of the small combination Post Office and general store of Caprock, New Mexico and from 6 to 10 miles south of U. S. 380 [9]. A separate mobile dune field is located just south of U. S. 380, 36 miles east of Roswell, New Mexico is open for All Terrain Vehicles (ATV's). The 610 acre recreational area designated by the Bureau of Land Management as the Mescalero Sands North Dune Off Highway Vehicles (OHV) Area [11]. Physiography The three main dunes are located at the extreme northern limits of the Chihuahuan Desert and peripheral grasslands environment of the southern end of the Great High Plains making it ideal for ecotonal studies [2]. The climate is typically semi-arid but influenced by both the Upper and Lower Sonoran vegetative groups with mesquite, creosote bush and occasional juniper with dominant "Quercus harvardii", called shin oak or shinnery, surrounding and separating the dune fields. The rainfall averages 15 inches a year and 200 days without a killing frost from April to October. The potential evaporation can reach 33 inches per year considering the 60-70 percent of sunshine. Temperatures are generally mild but can range from 110 to minus 25 degrees Fahrenheit [15]. Geology From Mescalero Point to the base of Mescalero Ridge the escarpment drops off steeply to 4,200 feet or about 300 feet to the sandy environments. There is a slight downward topographic change westward to the Pecos River approximately 40 miles away with a channel altitude of 3,600 feet at this point in its drainage. The escarpment is essentially composed of the Dockum-Lykins formation of the Upper Triassic and is overlaid by the Ogallala formation which is of a limestone composition commonly referred to as caliche which is of Pliocene age. There are Permian outcrops in the breaks around the Pecos River but the sandy regions are from Quaternary origins composed of Pleistocene and Altithermal period Aeolian deposits created during the Altithermal some 7,500 years ago. Unlike the White Sands National Monument to the west of Alamogordo, New Mexico which are composed of gypsum, the Mescalero Sands are fine grain quartz attributed to the Monahans deposition. They overlay the Judkin formation of the mid-Wisconsin glaciation some 18-20,000 years ago and are from lake beds that have been dated from snail samples to approximately 13,000 years ago [16]. Natural History The oak forest of shin-high "Quercus harvardii" stabilizes most of the dune field with only a few mobile dunes which, due to the prevailing southwesterly winds move up to ten feet a year to the northeast. The dunes themselves are normally Barcan in form, reaching heights of 60-70 feet, but as they move perpendicular to the winds they become lenticular in shape. Being just above the alluvium, moisture bearing strata, there are a few seep springs within the three main dunes and windmills are pumping water from 35-65 feet deep. There were many springs at the base of the escarpment during the historic settlement period at the turn of the 20th century and best known was Mescalero Springs which supplied ample water for large herds of cattle and horses, but they rarely flow currently. The springs and atmospheric moisture running away from the escarpment never reach the Pecos River, with the sand serving as an entrapment thus all water percolates into shallow sub-surface catchment basins. The wetness within the sands may also contribute to the vast quantities of fulgurite found in the mobile dunes. Often called "petrified lightning" these tubes of glass are formed when lightning strikes the sand [13a]. Cultural Affiliations Archaeology The earliest evidence of humans occupying the region is from the Clovis-Folsom Paleo period from 13-11,500 years ago. Although there are remains of mammoths eroding out of the Judkin "hardpan" three miles south of the south dune and fragments of one at the edge of the remnant lakebed in the south dune there is no evidence of direct association with humans. There was, however the base of a Folsom Point found in the center dune. It is believed that the lakebed(s) forming the three main dunes were still active until the end of the Pleistocene or at the boundary of the Holocene [12]. In places where the same calcareous silt base that formed the three main dunes is exposed Clovis and Folsom Points as well as representative samples The Archaic Period appears to have been temporary occupations from the west and south with few concentrations representing the early to middle Holocene. However, Maljamar Points have been found in the vicinity representing a late archaic presence utilizing the Sacramento Mountain region in the spring into the summer and the plains along the escarpment in the fall and possibly winter [13d]. The Formative Stage is well represented with large amounts of arrow points, pottery and tools common on the surface throughout the immediate area. Several middens have also been surveyed and reported just below the escarpment mostly to the south indicating a very active intrusion and/or trading of pottery from early brownwares through Glaze III. A large percentage is Chupadero Black on White with Jornada variants also being common. There is also evidence of later Native American cultures such as Comanches and Apaches utilizing the Llano Estacado and the edge habitat the sands offered in alternative resources [13]. Historical Connections The first European contact was during the Spanish Colonial Period from early 1600's through the early 1700's when "Pearlers" made treks from Santa Fe down the Pecos River to lower Bosque Grande where the Sacramento River (now the Rio Penasco) flows into the Pecos River they then cut across the sands to the escarpment with fresh water and onto the treeless and waterless "Staked Plains" on over to the eastern edge of the Llano Estacado and down to Tobacco Creek ending up on the Concho River where they collected freshwater pink to purple pearls, one of the few treasures they were able to send back to Spain [13]. The southern end of the western escarpment was described by Captain C. L. Taplin in March, 1854, who was assistant to Captain John Pope who was in command of exploring the southern route for the Pacific Railroad Survey. He found the travel extremely difficult discouraging any further wagon or rail passage through the area and early maps indicated, "Void of Wood and Water" that prevented homestead settlement in the region for many years. Lieutenant Colonel William Shafter entered the area in 1875 in an attempt to push the Apaches onto the reservation in the Sacramento Mountains and discovered "Dug Springs" where indigenous people had dug out several springs as well as Monument Springs where there was a natural flowing spring both at the southern edge of the escarpment [10]. The first permanent resident of the Mescalero Sands was a buffalo hunter named George Causey. He had built a house in Yellowhouse Canyon west of present day Lubbock, Texas and established a camp at the springs near Ranger Lake north of present day Tatum, New Mexico but sold out to the Littlefield Ranch and he and his brother John built a way station just north and below Mescalero Point as a stopover and resting location for freighters transporting goods from the nearest railhead in Midland, Texas to Roswell, New Mexico. Another prominent figure in the settlement of the Mescalero Sands was a character called "Old Man Harry", an English sailor who jumped ship and swam to Padre Island, Texas and made his way up to the LFD (Littlefield) Ranch and eventually established a herd of his own and built a rock house east of the south dune at the base of the escarpment just south of Mescalero Springs. He was remembered for having the only phonograph in the area before he was buried just north of his house where the marker reads: "AT REST HARRY ROBINSON BORN KENT CO ENGLAND JAN 9 1836 DIED AUG 3 1911 Out of Sight but Memory Never". Another one of the original Anglo settlers was Clyde Browning, who moved to just below the escarpment as a child when his father homesteaded in the 1880's south of Old Man Harry's place. He became a valuable resource for this story and told the author that, "if it had not been for the deer that hung out in the three main dunes they would have probably starved out" [17]. Just after the turn of the 20th century "nesters" began to take advantage of the strips of free government land that were found between the larger ranches, often under the protest of gunfire. One of these homesteaders was a man by the name of Lon Levi who in the 1920's lived in a dugout on the east side of the north dune. He plowed a field and planted subsistence crops which included watermelons. Some of his farming equipment that remained consisted of a planter and a rake which perpetuated the erroneous story that a wagon train had been attacked by Indians because of the quantity of flint "arrowheads" that had been found in the hollows or "blowouts" adjacent to the field. Although a motorized vehicle got stuck between the Causey way station and Roswell and the occupants had to be rescued, there is no verifiable evidence of a wagon train being endangered in the area [13c]. Near the old field the last of an elk herd that had been brought in by Joe Lane who owned the Four Lakes Ranch northwest of Tatum had escaped their compound and made their way down into the sands in the late 1940's and survived until the 1960's when the last old cow was killed. She had been feeding with the cattle and was shot and left by poachers and the antlers of the last bull were at the Culp Ranch just east of the north dune [7]. The Ecology of the Landmark The first time the author entered the three main dunes was in 1961 and he began to take 35mm slides using an Argus C-3 Matchmatic with 25 ASA film of the environs, the cultural and natural elements of this unique area which both surprised and lured him into the distinctive expanse time after time. He began to see the Sandhill Whitetailed deer that were often referred to as "midgets" but he found them to be comparable in size to the Texas Whitetail that he had hunted, in fact some of the bucks appeared to be larger than typical "Odocoileus virginianus texanus" but smaller than the Plains Whitetail "O.v. macrourus". He found that Vernon Bailey, a prominent naturalist of the early 20th century, believed them to be Plains whitetails and saw their survival questionable due to the numbers being taken by the settlers in the region [1 & 3]. J. Stokley Ligon an early conservationist in New Mexico in his 1927 book, "Wildlife of New Mexico" found them ranging from Blackwater Draw between Portales and Clovis, New Mexico all the way down to the Monahans Sands in Texas but also thought them to be isolated enough in both time and space to be considered unique [8]. By 1943-44, H. Ernest Hall compiled a report entitled, "Sandhill White-tailed Deer Restoration" for the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish wherein he found only two remaining herds split by U. S. Highway 380 with not more than 30 individuals in each herd [5]. In 1964 the author found his "white whale" that Ahab had pursued in "Moby Dick" which was a complete skull with the antlers attached buried in the north dune. The challenge was to determine if these deer were in fact an undefined sub-species and to approach the question through the scientific method he would have to know a lot more about their environment. He began by placing several nine-foot galvanized stakes marked in alternate red and white one inch intervals in specific locations in and around the north dune. The resulting evidence showed that the shinnery was holding the sands in place but that the entire north dune was moving up to ten feet a year to the northeast due to the prevailing southwesterly winds. He and a colleague, Dr. Roy Blizzard, hauled a 55 gallon drum a mile into the north dune that had both ends cut out but with a removable lid and calibrated in one inch intervals on the inside to show groundwater fluctuation in a seep spring in the north dune. Unfortunately, it was covered by a sand dune and never found again. An accumulative rain gage was placed on an abandoned windmill tower on the west side of the south dune but was destroyed by vandals [13a&c]. The author was greatly encouraged in observing the deer he discovered they had several morphological variations between the Texas species and those living in the Mescalero Sands. The latter were much lighter in color throughout the year with only dark patches between the eyes, on the chest and on the outside tip of the tail in difference to the "texanus" which had much darker pelage and larger dark spots in each of the same locations. However, that alone was not enough to determine sub-speciation. So, it was decided that the most sensible approach would be to try to trap some specimens and record more specific data and attach easily identifiable collars on them in order to observe behavioral characteristics [14]. In Search of Justification During the summer of 1967 the author and his wife, Shirley East-Smith, spent the three months on the northwest corner of the north dune in order to gather an ecological accounting of the multiple habitats within the biome. They collected 183 reptiles, 53 mammals, over 100 plants, many insects and recorded numerous bird species all of which are in the natural history collections at Eastern New Mexico University in Portales, New Mexico where they both received their Master's degrees [13]. Another survey was also initiated during this same period to determine if different portions of the north dune were utilized by diverse indigenous peoples through time. Sequentially numbered wooden stakes were placed in adjoining blowouts with all lithics, pottery and ground stone being recorded revealing that certain areas were indeed being occupied by dissimilar groups at different times. As a result of this research showing that a non-structural site can be used for archaeological interpretations the Mescalero Sands were placed on the State Register, "giving public recognition to the cultural value of the property aiding in protection against destruction by certain State and Federal programs of construction" [13]. By the end of the study it was evident that there were only about two dozen deer south of U. S. 380 and probably only a dozen north of the highway. It was also confirmed that mule deer, "Odocoileus hemionus" were beginning to move into the region having already been taken during hunting season on the southern end of Mescalero Ridge which as they moved north certainly would be a threat to the whitetail population [11]. In Pursuit of an ONA On January 1, 1968 the author rode into the area on horseback and found where approximately ten deer were feeding on the wild watermelons that had evolved from Lon Levi's plantings in the 1920's. About a dozen shed antlers had been collected in and around the old field and Walter Rogers, a predator control officer for the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, had told the author that they were commonly found there during the winter months depending on the melons as a food source. The author approached the regional conservation officer, John Mechler, about borrowing some of the department's Thompson type deer traps that could be used to capture and release the deer but he and others warned me that it was probably an effort in futility because of the whitetail's cautious behavior [13]. Due to unforeseen circumstances the five traps were not delivered until the 28th of December of 1968 and after recognizing that the deer would not enter the trap unless all the excess melons were removed from the old field with the help of Sam McCallum removed all of the melons except those being used as bait. Even then found where the deer had dug out melons that had been covered by the constantly moving sand, the author began to cut off a portion of one of the melons and wipe down the trap and his tracks before finally capturing a buck with secure antlers on January 12, 1969. Using 10 milligrams of a muscle relaxant, sucostrin (succinylcholine chloride) administered by a Cap-Chur CO2 powered pistol, the buck could be safely handled in 5 minutes and after many measurements and blood samples taken, a neck collar affixed, a numbered metal tag placed in his ear, he regained his faculties and exited the field exactly one hour after being injected with the drug [13]. Unfortunately, the buck was later found by seeing his collar in an aerial survey but after investigating he was too mutilated to determine cause of death and probably died around April which ruled out the possibility of a blood disease, black leg, which usually occurs within two weeks of blood samples being taken. During the next season dune-buggy enthusiasts kept the deer out of the area almost continuously but after a determined effort the second buck was captured on January 25, 1970. He had lost his antlers and was immobile 10 minutes less than the one previously using the same dosage. The same procedure for taking tests was followed but this was before DNA analysis had been developed and the electrophoresis available to the University was not adequate to distinguish sub-speciation. Both deer, by using live tooth analysis would have been 8-10 years old, but aided with the skull of the first buck the teeth showed an excessive amount of abrasion due to the sand accumulated in their diet so both were probably considerably younger. The second buck was observed by plane two, three and a little more than four weeks after his capture and release [6]. Epilogue: Still seeking the answers During the 1800's and early 1900's a wave of new species were identified based on taxonomic characteristics alone but there was a concern that there had been an oversimplification of the differences, however with the advent of recent serological methods and techniques it has been shown that most of the original classifications were sound. Unfortunately, it was too late for the author to publish on the Whitetail Deer as, “O. v. arenarius" (sand loving) by the time the Bureau of Land Management, with encouragement of the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, the New Mexico Wildlife and Conservation Association, the New Mexico Academy of Science and Eastern New Mexico University, deemed it suitable as an Outstanding Natural Area (ONA). By then the whitetail deer north of U. S. 380 were essentially hunted out and only a few had been seen in the late 1970’s in the Mescalero Sands and only mule deer in the 1980’s which are currently plentiful in the region [4]. It was a small lizard, which had been taken during the summer of 1967, that helped establish the 6,293 acre preserve, now accessible only by foot or horseback and secure the dune’s permanency for future generations. The Dunes Sagebrush Lizard “Sceloporus arenicolus”, (occurring, burrowing or inhabiting in sand) was declared threatened by the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service with a great deal of pressure from numerous conservation societies and organizations but has been pulled from the list until further research on the species can be conducted [12] The three main dunes were declared a National Natural Landmark in 1982, as “The best example of an active sand dune system in the southern Great Plains”.
Reverences1. Bailey, Vernon. 1931. Mammals of New Mexico, North American Fauna, No. 53, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Biological Survey, U.S. Government Printing Office, 412 pp. 2. Bailey, Vernon. 1913. Life Zones and Crop Zones of New Mexico, North American Fauna, No. 35, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Biological Survey, U.S. Government Printing Office, 100 pp. 3. Bailey, Vernon. 1905. Biological Survey of Texas, No. 25, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Bureau of Biological Survey, U.S. Government Printing Office, 262 pp. 4. Findley, James S., Arthur H. Harris, Don E. Wilson and Clyde Jones. 1975. Mammals of New Mexico, University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 360 pp. 5. Hall, H. Ernest. 1944. “Sandhill White-tailed Deer Restoration”, Project Record Report, New Mexico Department of Game and Fish, Santa Fe, New Mexico 6. Hibler, Charles. 1969. Personal communication, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado 7. Johnson, Carl Lane. 1969. Personal communication, Tatum, New Mexico 8. Ligon, J. Stokley. 1927. Wildlife of New Mexico Its Conservation and Management, New Mexico State Game Commission, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 212 pp. 9. Oetking, P., H. B. Renfro, D. E. Feray and A. P. Bennison. 1967. Geological Highway Maps for the Regions: Great Plains, Mid-Continent and Texas, USGS Map Series No. 2, Tulsa, Oklahoma 10. Pope, Capt. John. 1854. Route Near the Thirty-Second Parallel, From the Red River to the Rio Grande, Explored by Bvt. Capt. John Pope, Top. Engineers, in 1854, 52 pp. 11. Rogers, Walter. 1968. Personal communication, Portales, New Mexico 12. Smith, Calvin B. 1966. The Paleo-Indian in Southeastern New Mexico, Transactions of the Second Regional Archaeological Symposium for Southeastern New Mexico and Western Texas, Special Bulletin No. 1, Midland Archaeological Society, Midland, Texas, pp. 3-8 13. a.) Smith, Calvin B. 1971. Mescalero Sands Natural Studies Plan, Natural History Museum and the Paleo-Indian Institute, Eastern New Mexico University, 50 pp. 13. b.) Smith, Calvin B. 1971. Proposed Study Area in the Mescalero Sands, Southeastern New Mexico, The New Mexico Academy of Science Bulletin, Vol. 12, No. 2, Santa Fe, New Mexico, pp. 19-20 13. c.) Smith, Calvin B. 1985. To Save A Dune, The Greater Llano Estacado Southwest Heritage, Vol. 14, No. 1, Hobbs, New Mexico, pp. 5-3, 12 and 19 14. Taylor, Walter P. 1965. The Deer of North America, The Wildlife Management Institute, Washington D. C., 668 pp. 15. Tuan, Yi-fu, Cyril E. Everard and Jerold G. Widdison. 1969. The Climate of New Mexico, State Planning Office, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 169 pp. 16. Wendorf, Fred, Alex D. Krieger, Claude C. Albritton and T. D. Stewart. 1955. The Midland Discovery: A Report on the Pleistocene Human Remains from Midland, Texas, University of Texas Press, Austin, Texas 139 pp. 17. Whitlock, Vivian. 1970. Cowboy Life on the Llano Estacado, University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, Oklahoma, 320 pp. External linksNational Park Service 1982 “Mescalero Sands South Dune”, National Natural Landmarks, https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nnlandmarks/site.htm?Site=MESA-NM Bureau of Land Management 2020 "Mescalero Sands North Dune OHV Area" https://www.blm.gov/visit/mescalero-sands-north-dune-ohv-area Biological Diversity 2011 "Dunes Sagebrush Lizard" https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/reptiles/dunes_sagebrush_lizard/index.html }} |
164.47.227.50 (talk) 16:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hello 164.47.227.50, welcome to Wikipedia. This isn't an appropriate place to post a draft article, but I can move this to a draft location if you'd like so that you can continue working on it. Please note that we do not accept nor publish original research, but if you would like to write an encyclopedia article about the landmark based on published, independent sources (of which you seem to have many already) I think you've got a pretty good basis here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- There is already an article on Mescalero Ridge to which Mescalero Sands is a re-direct. This probably means that relevant portions of the contribution which are well sourced should be added there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Mescalero Ridge is an article about the geographic feature. We do normally create separate articles about geographic features and national protected areas when they are both notable. There is a list at List of National Natural Landmarks in New Mexico which lists the Mescalero Sands NNL but the article it links to does not exist.
- IP, are you Museumsmithc (talk · contribs) by any chance? There is already a draft located at Draft:The Mescalero Sands of New Mexico which already contains your submission above, or perhaps an older revision of it. It was rejected, but the reason it was rejected was overwritten in a subsequent edit. I'll restore it, then you can have a look there to see why it was rejected and work on improving it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think I see why it was rejected now: what you've submitted, though well-written and referenced, reads more like a promotional brochure for the park or possibly for yourself or your work, and it needs changes to become an encyclopedia article. An encyclopedia article should be a summary of key information about a notable topic. As an example, see Chaco Culture National Historical Park, another national park in New Mexico. This article is a featured article, meaning it has been peer-reviewed and identified as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. Of course we don't expect anyone to write a perfect article on the first try, but this should help give you a sense of the sort of material we include in Wikipedia articles, and how the information is laid out and presented. You can find more resources at WikiProject Protected Areas.
- You might also be interested in contributing some of your work to WikiVoyage or one of the other Wikimedia sister projects. I'm much less familiar with the editing standards on those projects, though. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- There is already an article on Mescalero Ridge to which Mescalero Sands is a re-direct. This probably means that relevant portions of the contribution which are well sourced should be added there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Ira Needles
Article about Ira G Needles states he died in Iowa January 6, 1986. This is incorrect. He died in Kitchener Ontario on that date and is buried in Stratford Ontario. It also states that his wife - Marian Westover died on January 6,1986. This is also incorrect - she died in May 1987 in Stratford, Ontario and is also buried there along with their sons William and Myron. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.235.218 (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Please provide a reference to a source for this information, such as an obituary. -Arch dude (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I fixed it with a reference. It looks like saying he died in Iowa was a mistake meant to refer to his place of birth. The article does not say anything about his wife's death, and should not as she is not a notable person. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Report about wrong information
Your information about current caliph of islam is wrong delete that page of yours don't write without confirming first — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.12.198.92 (talk) 18:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- We have no control over how Google indexes our pages, even if it portrays them in a misleading way. See WP:CALIPH. Pahunkat (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you can find where such a thing is claimed on any Wikipedia article, by all means tell us. --Paul ❬talk❭ 18:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- You are late to the party. See Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 December 13#Caliphate requests for previous complaints which could not mention anything wrong that was actually in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Ukraine article in safari is not showing its flag
ukraine article in safari is not showing its flag in its artcile — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.107.246.104 (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is this about the flag at the top left of the infobox in Ukraine, below "Ukrayina"? I see it in Safari on an iPhone. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
OPERATION TAYLOR COMMON (Vietnam)
Marines from 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment participated in this significant operation. Several of our Marines were killed or badly wounded. We have been disgusted for some time because we are NOT listed among the participates, nor are we referenced in the content. I was a Marine Platoon Sergeant. I led these men into battle on this operation. I was there! I have written comments in Wikipedia's article on th
Captain Thomas Michael Rutherford, Sr. U.S. Marine Corps (Ret)
Executive Director, Special Security, Space & Defense (Ret)
Sources include myself, and all the Marines from 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment who participated in Operation Taylor Common. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.3.130.108 (talk) 21:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia summarizes what published independent reliable sources state. While I absolutely believe you, for verification purposes we cannot accept your word as a source for information. If you have a published source for the information, please offer it on the article talk page. If you just want to document the participation of the soldiers in this battle, there may be military history websites or other alternatives with less stringent requirements to do that. 331dot (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The talk page where you should discuss this and provide sources is Talk:Operation Taylor Common. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your service. It occurs to me that there may have been some upper-level medals awarded, citations for which may appear in the Congressional Record or elsewhere. You might want to search those types of sources, which Google doesn't always do a great job on. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Lisl Frank article
I'm wondering what the best thing to do with this article is. It's been tagged for 8 years as needing references as it's entirely original research ("Ronny Roberts, Aufrichtig family historian. Personal papers, documents and photographs").
There are three external links - one is to a nl:wp article, one is what looks like someone's family history page and the other is a porn link.
Google returns some mentions of her on various Holocaust-related sites but nothing substantial and the article doesn't demonstrate if she meets WP:musicbio.
What would be the best way to proceed?
Thanks!
PrincessPersnickety (talk) 22:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The racy link is now gone, for a start. Thanks for the heads up. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Tim. PrincessPersnickety (talk) 00:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
The Merced Gateway News
The Merced Gateway News was founded in 2008. This company is a LLC and there are two people who own it. The Merced Gateway News is focused on non-biased and non-political news for the area of Merced County, California. Located in the heart of California, The Central Valley. The website to the original Merced Gateway News is https://www.thegwnews.com
United States Patent and Trademark Office Trademark Registration #88696082
The Merced Gateway News has won numerous awards for Journalism & Photography. The most recent is 2020 Top 50 % best photography. Source Viewbug.
Two friends in 2008 came up with the name when another buddy of theirs was arrested for trying to make a super drug. They both claim rights to the company, along with some other news companys who was infringing on Merced Gateway News. These two owners are still friends and they run day to day opperations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merced Gateway (talk • contribs) 22:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merced Gateway, you're going to want to choose a different username, as Wikipedia's username policy does not allow promotional names, which corporations typically fall under. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Guidelines for election pages
1967 Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election is tagged for copy editing and I was going to take a crack at it, but the more I look, the more it just seems like an enormous mass of non-notable (but sourced) trivia. Are there any guidelines about what should be included on pages like this? Wikignome Wintergreentalk 23:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think there is currently - WikiProject Elections and Referendums don't seem to have a template on offer but they do have a lot of Good and B-Grade level articles to get an idea from. Looking at that article, I think my first concern would be all the ALL CAPS: SENTENCE FRAGMENTS that just make an article look kinda amateurish. --Paul ❬talk❭ 06:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
January 6
Use a group note/reference multiple times
Currently in Union_raid#Notes it repeats the notes twice. How do I create a note once, and repeatedly link to it, while displaying it only once in Notes section? ~ Shushugah (talk) 01:12, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- For the first use of a given reference: <ref name="whatever">Full bibliographical (and/or other) details</ref>. For subsequent uses of the same reference: <ref name="whatever" />. Adjust "whatever" to taste, of course, but the string has to be the same if you want the reference to be the same. -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! I figured it out. This is using a different template called {{refn}} the syntax needed can be found here ~ Shushugah (talk) 03:05, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
To remove and edit info on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Pacific
Hello, I am Rachel who worked in Hong Kong First Pacific Company Limited, I would like to show the full name of the Business section and updated as below:
Businesses Indonesia: • Indofood CBP Sukses Makmur Tbk
Philippines: • Metro Pacific Investments Corporation • PLDT Inc. • Philex Mining Corporation • Roxas Holdings, Inc.
Singapore: • PacificLight Power Pte. Ltd.
Besides, is it possible to delete "Former business", "See also" and "Reference" section as the information was outdated, please advise.
Rachel — Preceding unsigned comment added by FPC Rachel (talk • contribs) 02:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- FPC Rachel, this is better posted at Talk:First Pacific as an edit request, so that uninvolved editors can add that information for you. A reliable source would be extremely helpful in verifying this claim.
- As you are operating on a paid-editing relationship for First Pacific, you are required to disclose such a relationship on your userpage at User:FPC Rachel. You may use the {{paid}} template to do so. Please refrain from directly editing the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Naming conventions for air marshals
I was going to disambiguate a page but I couldn't find a naming convention for military officers, or the one specfically for airforce's air marshal. I searched all over, even in the Naming convention category but couldn't find one for it. Can somebody guide me on it? USaamo (t@lk) 05:56, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @USaamo: Please link the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter: Arshad Malik. — Preceding unsigned comment added by USaamo (talk • contribs)
- There is no reason to disambiguate this page as far as I can see. An air marshal and CEO usually trumps a judge (not on Pakistan's highest court). Clarityfiend (talk) 20:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @USaamo: WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is hard to judge here. Comparing page views [13] the judge has more recent interest but that's due to his death 4 December 2020 where the article was created. The air marshal clearly gets most of his recent views from people searching the judge but the long-term significance will probably be different. I haven't found a relevant guideline if we do disambiguate. Category:Royal Air Force air marshals uses (RAF officer) but RAF is better known in English speakers than PAF. Category:Indian Air Force air marshals is mixed. (air marshal) or (Pakistan Air Force officer) are possible. We have three (Pakistan Army officer) [14] but no Pakistan Air Force and no PAF [15]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- There is no reason to disambiguate this page as far as I can see. An air marshal and CEO usually trumps a judge (not on Pakistan's highest court). Clarityfiend (talk) 20:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter: Arshad Malik. — Preceding unsigned comment added by USaamo (talk • contribs)
Account compromised
Hi there, I am Devopam. Today I got notification for too many failed attempts and thereafter got an email stating that the email address has been changed successfully to a new one that I don't own. In simple words : I got chucked out of the system altogether. Can you please at least put the account on hold to avoid malicious and unauthorized editing on my behalf. Thanks and regards. Devopam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.185.169.146 (talk) 08:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Pipes are for wikilinks, not external link syntax.[16] A user with 3526 edits would usually know this and sign their post. The account has no edits or log entries for seven months. It is extended confirmed user and new page reviewer but has no sensitive rights. I don't think it will be blocked without evidence or abusive edits. I'm not blocking it. There is a committed identity at User:Devopam/CI so see Template:Committed identity#Password reset. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- A Checkuser zzuuzz has blocked it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, per CU, I think that's a compromise, and I've just blocked this and several other compromised accounts. If it's not an actual compromise, which I think it is, then there's some real funny other business going on by the same user. To Devopam, this account should be globally locked by a steward, and I'll head over shortly to request that. There are several pages around describing this situation, perhaps m:Help:Compromised accounts is the most obvious one. If you regain control or have questions, feel free to drop me a ping. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Much thanks for blocking edits + user , at least someone won't be able to abuse. I am unsure how they could get hold of the password in the first place but that is a discussion for much later. I had stopped editing for a while now, and today suddenly I got two emails that got me alarmed. I don't know how to regain control as the only other identifier viz. email is updated to something that I don't own in the first place. 136.185.169.146 (talk) 10:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, per CU, I think that's a compromise, and I've just blocked this and several other compromised accounts. If it's not an actual compromise, which I think it is, then there's some real funny other business going on by the same user. To Devopam, this account should be globally locked by a steward, and I'll head over shortly to request that. There are several pages around describing this situation, perhaps m:Help:Compromised accounts is the most obvious one. If you regain control or have questions, feel free to drop me a ping. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- A Checkuser zzuuzz has blocked it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Why is my link redirecting to help desk but not my question?
Why is my "uptobox.com",_which_alexa_rank_is_<_2000. link redirecting to help desk but not my question? Rizosome (talk) 13:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Rizosome: There are two problems. The section was archived to Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 December 14#Please create a wiki article on "uptobox.com", which alexa rank is < 2000. The original url to an archived section doesn't work unless it is a permanent link which is "frozen" at the time and doesn't include later posts. Secondly, some characters require encoding in external link syntax per Help:URL#Fixing links with unsupported characters. In my Firefox you can click it in the table of contents and copy from the address bar to get the url here. We usually prefer url's with en.wikipedia and not en.m.wikipedia which is the mobile version of the site. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:18, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Question about IBAN
Hi! If an editor receives an IBAN and TBAN and wants to make an appeal to AN, are they allowed to reference the editor who they are in an IBAN with in the appeal? I assume that this does not count as a violation of the IBAN because it would be impossible to speak about the ban without mentioning the other editor, but I just wanted to make sure. Thank you! Bgkc4444 (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Bgkc4444: I would suggest that WP:AN is the correct venue for this question. Ask there without mentioning the other party and you should be safe. Mjroots (talk) 20:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Mjroots: Great, thank you! Bgkc4444 (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
SPA problems
I don't think this has reached ANI level yet, but it may be getting close. O811RT1 joined Wikipedia to prod and then nominate the articles on Sasha Anawalt and her father Francis Cunningham for deletion. One AfD is finished as a keep but SPA yesterday removed information for not being notable, complete citations from newspaper archives because they were not hyperlinked, and caused other issues that required a complete revert of their 16 edits. They pay no heed to talk page messages (on their own talk page and Anawalt's) or instructions in how to edit. I have tried my derndest to do that and to address the editor's concerns and lofty requests. Now I am being criticized for it. Please review "citation needed" additions, the likes of which I have never seen before, in the most recent edit of the page, and see the recent edit history. The user says the article could be used to market Anawalt and repeatedly suggests the Gillian Flynn article is more the idea. These are apples and... ghost peppers and I don't know how to spell that out. I am stepping back for a day so I do not edit war over semantics, though I may post more on the growing Anawalt talk page.
- Would someone go to User:O811RT1's talk page and inform them about edit warring and other best practices?
- Would someone please intercede on their most recent edits to Sasha Anawalt and chime in on the talk page?
- I suspect the IP editor who made delete comments without saying delete in this edit [1] is said SPA. I find it curious that two editors wrote vulgar things on the article on Anawalt yesterday as and right after the SPA edited (check its edit history for now-hidden revisions). Not sure whether those users can be checked against IP and SPA, but is it possible to have a SPI or at least see if the users are from the same household as O811RT1?
Thank you. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Negative contents in a category
According to Category:Old Bolsheviks, there are negative six pages in one subcategory: Joseph Stalin (11 C, −6 P)
It really has eleven subcategories and fifty-two pages. How can this be fixed? 64.203.186.108 (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- There has been issues with category counts for years. See e.g. phab:T221795 and phab:T18036.
{{PAGESINCATEGORY:Joseph Stalin|pages}}
produces 63 which also currently says −6. There isn't anything for editors to do. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:03, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
"Preserves"
how do you turn on the page preserves without logging in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1014:B043:4539:E837:EDC1:5BD8:17BA (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Pages aren't preserved, see WP:BFAQ#PROTECT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "page preserves"? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Orange County
Orange County was formed in 1752 from parts of Chatham County and Moore County. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.185.146.76 (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Moore County, North Carolina wasn't founded until 1784 according to our article. You may be thinking of Lee County, North Carolina formed from Chatham County and Moore County in 1907. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Orange County, NC
Orange County was made up of Chatham County.
- Orange_County,_North_Carolina alredy says that. If you see an issue with an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
How to link pages in different languages
Hello,
I just created this Wikiquote page of Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan (URL: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zayed_bin_Sultan_Al_Nahyan) in English & I want to link it to its Arabic version (URL: https://ar.wikiquote.org/wiki/زايد_بن_سلطان_آل_نهيان) but I received a message saying my account is blocked to make such action by (User: Esteban16). Could you please tell me how to fix that problem & why am I blocked from making this action?
I'm still a new contributor to Wiki Pages & still learning all the rules. Please help me out.
--Majid.albahrani (talk) 19:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Majid.albahrani: articles are linked through Wikidata. Your account on Wikidata was blocked by d:User:Esteban16 for Promotion-only account. I am not an expert at Wikidata, but you could try to appeal the block by adding
{{unblock|Your reason here}}
(as it appears when viewing this page) to your Wikidata user talk page. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Does two articles in a county newspaper meet WP:GNG?
Hey, I was researching a band (Heterodox) and I found two (possibly more) articles specifically on the band in a local newspaper (the Isle of Wight County Press). I would be kind of surprised if the band was notable and so I thought it would be better to ask if this was worth creating a draft to submit to AfC (or whatever the process is)? ~ El D. (talk to me) 20:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @El komodos drago: Bands need to meet WP:NBAND. Mjroots (talk) 20:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Isn't NBAND clause 1 the same as the GNG? ~ El D. (talk to me) 23:17, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Likely a waste of time. Local coverage is not enough. It's the same sort of thing that applies to mayors of small towns. They get lots of local media attention, but their articles get deleted regularly. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Can I ask what part of NBAND 1 (or other policy) prevents local media? ~ El D. (talk to me) 23:17, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Edits undone
Courtesy link: Inayat Khan
My edits were recently undone after adding constructive material with sources to a poorly written page containing a large number of inaccuracies. The user who undid my changes accused me of vandalism and provided no supporting reasons. How can I restore my changes despite the objections of this user (maybe an administrator?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirmughal (talk • contribs) 21:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Mirmughal: If your edits are reverted, then start a discussion on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD -- Bold, Revert, Discuss. You are now at step (D) -- discuss it. RudolfRed (talk) 00:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Vandalism help request from 2601:5CC:8200:190D:A940:6857:BA5A:6EEB
I have noticed some vandalism at Martin Gray (writer). Namely, someone has edited the first sentence on this page to suggest that the Holocaust didn't happen or else that Martin Gray lied about being a victim of it. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, 2601:5CC:8200:190D:A940:6857:BA5A:6EEB (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)