Commons:Deletion requests/Image:The Commissar Vanishes 2.jpg

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no autor, no source, propably a facke —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaro.p (talk • contribs) 14:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to delete images to hide the fact that the regime relied on photographic alteration to establish its legitimacy. 141.214.37.67 18:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Fixed deletion nomination. --jonny-mt 03:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment Why does the deletion requester not read the description? He would find a source there! Or in other words: Is this deletion request a fake? Mutter Erde (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

description page "Author: unknown / editor: unknown" source not academikal and not oficial soviet book. I think this image is a joke or a facke. This image used to illustrated the soviet history. When somebody know the soviet book or soviet newspaper like "Pravda", "Izvestia" please poste this source.

when nobody know the autor the copirate is unknow too: 1. The author of this work died before June 22, 1941 2. The author of this work died between June 22, 1941 and December 31, 1942 and did not work and also did not serve in the Army during the Great Patriotic War. 3. This work is shot from non-amateur cinema or television film or television broadcast. Autor is unknow source is dubious.--Jaro.p (talk) 12:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On a more bureaucratic level, the image was taken by an uncredited Soviet photographer and published in an issue of Pravda in an article about Stalin touring the newly finished Moscow canal system that Yezhov, in one of his duties, was responsible for building. After Yezhov's fall, the official original photo maintained in the archives was altered to remove Yezhov and the article changed to remove any mention of Yezhov's role in the canals. Like the vast majority of Soviet photos from this period, the photographer was not recorded, never credited and can never be known, thus making the copyright dead for all intents and purposes. I leave it up to you. Bullzeye (talk) 11:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's right.  Keep, unless sombody finds a better resolution pic of this really famous Soviet fake Mutter Erde (talk) 11:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source, autor and better images (David King Collection) : http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc/issue8/erasurerevelation.htm

Like the vast majority of Soviet photos from this period, the photographer was not recorded When this photo pablished in Pravda the autor of this photo shuld be know. Pravda pablished olways the name of photografs.

http://www.oldgazette.ru/pravda/29011939/01-1.html http://www.oldgazette.ru/pravda/29011939/03-1.html http://www.oldgazette.ru/pravda/10051945/04-1.html http://www.oldgazette.ru/pravda/29031942/02-1.html http://www.oldgazette.ru/pravda/18011939/02-1.html --Jaro.p (talk) 12:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Was there only one newspaper in the big Soviet Union? :-). And why a newspaper? The pics from the source and from the David King Collection are much better.
• For the uncensored version have a look into: (German transcription):
• Maxim Gorki and others: Belomorsko-Baltijskij kanal imeni Stalina, Moscow 1937. There you will find the photographer - or not. I don't know, I don't possess this book. Mutter Erde (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is rare book. I fund scanned as djvu. Stalin is on page 2 and 555. Many other people; Yagoda, Gorki, Kirov, Molotov. No picture with Yezhov. No this picture too. When it is needed I can upload this book an rapidshare.com--Jaro.p (talk) 14:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. PD-Russia OK Yann (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]