User talk:Kieronoldham/Archive discussion 1

I lived in Houston, a friend of mine and me were hitch hiking and got picked up by Brooks and asked to go to a party, but my friend told Brooks to stop after only two blocks and we got out. My friend said Brooks had too weird a look on his face while he was inviting us to the party. One victim was named Mike Haynes because I had seen the name in the paper, thought it a coincidence that the name was similar to mine but I do not have an s on my name, and later a friend from high school picked me up hitch hiking in 1974, and he said he thought I had been killed by Corll. I remember it, the unmentioned victim was Mike Haynes.12.131.32.179 (talk) 08:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)Mike Hayne Hi Kieronoldham, you were asking about further updates on this case. I think I read recently that they had identified another of the unidentified victims of Corll. I have a very personal interest in this case, and try to keep up with developments. If I can find the information specifically, I will send you the link. Take care! DaysOfFuturePassed (talk) 20:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

There were a couple reasons I undid the edit. The first is that, while it might be accurate, you aren't adding a source for the specific numbers you are putting in. Because there isn't a lot of information around about this particular killer, it is important to add citations for facts when they are added. If you give citations, then the facts can be verified. Another was for a spelling error and some awkwardness in wording. What is the difference between "linked to the investigation" and "uncovered"? Is there one? Maybe, but unless that is clarified, it just sounds awkward. If you need help formatting citations, you can find what you need to know at WP:REF. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Kieronoldham,

the reference file where i got this information for the age and names of the victims is the gravestone in Hannover Stoecken cementery.

--> [1] or --> [2]

On this pictures you can see the exact name and age from all victims! For example, the youngest victim "Friedrich Abeling 10 Jahre" was really only ten years, when he died.

--> [3] (11th name on the right side from the gravestone)

Also you can see the name "Ernst Spieker 17 Jahre" was correct (of course, there is an "Hermann Speichert" but no Ernst Speicher) (same file, first name)

I have checked all ages truly good, please check again and undo your undo...

Please excuse my horrible english, maybe some times it will be better!

sincerly Againstentropie --Againstentropie (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: there are some more pictures from Hannover Police Museum about Haarmann in this link

--> [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Againstentropie (talk • contribs) 16:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello Kieronoldham, thx for my english ;)) so i make the last step for make this table true and then i try to get it for the german page (after i have translate it), because on the german page you will not find many information about the victims... -->[ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haarmann#Opfer] so i think, this table will be very usefully and important... greets --Againstentropie (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

sorry, victims in german is "Opfer"--Againstentropie (talk) 20:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

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Yep - the only one I can see is the boat shed one - it's a really poor photo anyway and doesn't really tell us anything. Apart from that, good job. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Kieronoldham. Please do not revert back to unreferenced sentences in this article while claiming that the information is souced. It's common knowledge that the Soviet Union did not collapse in August 1991 - that is the date of the August Coup, not the USSR's dissolution. You should check your history before posting it on Wikipedia. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 19:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, the (incorrect) date of the coup is actually within some of the ample literature I have upon this individual as being the dissolution. Having looked elsewhere, I can say I agree that the date of the Coup written in one of the books is indeed an error which you've rightly rectified. However, fact remains that Chikatilo was an avid reader of Communist literature, and I will be replacing this part of the sentence (with an additional reference) in the article.

Kindest regards. --Kieronoldham (talk) 21:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I have no doubt that he read communist literature at some point in his education, as it was a typical thing, but what kind of communist literature could he have read as a *child*? Reading political literature is a pretty strange pastime for children, even Soviet ones. (It's pretty hard to understand the Manifesto and Das Kapital when you are a kid.) Would you kindly provide a quotation of the source for verification and context? (E.g., if "Communist literature" described in this instance is simply supposed to be "Soviet literature," it's another thing entirely.) Zloyvolsheb (talk) 22:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Zloyvolsheb. Thanks for your reply. I appreciate the fact your interests are for the betterment of this article, as are mine. I have spent a lot of time populating and modifying this article.

The books etc. I have do not themselves state the precise age Chikatilo began reading Communist literature, although the inclusions do seem to indicate that he begain reading Marxism around the time of the 'onset of puberty', so perhaps a modification to the sentence in question to indicate he began reading this material later in his schooling years instead of adding the fact he was an avid reader of Communist literature to the end of the sentence stating he was shy and studious as a child?

In one of the two references I added at the end of the sentence in question, Chikatilo says (in an interview with the author of one of the books I have): "I kept my mouth shut and entertained myself with books, and I worked in the Young Pioneers, then the Communist Youth League. I passed the time with literature. Marxism-Leninism, all that."

His earliest memories of awkwardness at school were his shortsightedness: the first indication of his known passion for reading newspapers were of his reading wartime news accounts of partisan heroism. His first book which he recalled reading was the Young Guard. In reference to his passion for reading, by the early 1950s, and I quote from one of my books here: 'He swallowed all the propaganda with an appetite which staggered even his teachers. When they told him of the imminence of the victory of the world revolution, he believed it with all his heart, moving quickly to read Marx, Engels and Lenin. He even memorised the names of each country's Communist Party, however insignificant, and insisted on writing them whenever he had to draw maps during Geography classes. 'The ideological favour began to bring rewards: when he was 16, Chikatilo became the editor of the school's wall newspaper'. I will be happy to modify this sentence in order to clarify the age at which Chikatilo began reading this literature if you agree? Thanks again.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)