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Gendo Ikari has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: January 29, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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He is listed as a scientist in the categories though what his degree is in is not mentioned. He is shown being released from jail in one of the flashbacks; though I don't believe it is a prison. Would that count for fictional criminals? CensoredScribe (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not. That is like saying that spending the night in the "drunk tank" makes one a criminal. 24.149.117.220 (talk) 20:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as being a criminal? - SummerPhD (talk) 03:21, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In Japan, unlike North America, things like what Gendo was locked up for don't figure prominently on one's record. If he was arrested for disorderly or drunken conduct, then it's treated on the same level a minor traffic violation is in America.50.242.56.81 (talk) 19:32, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nerv, I'm quite sure, isn't a private military. It's a subsidiary of the UN. So this category wouldn't apply to Gendo, nor the other Evangelion characters with individual pages. Thanks. 67.80.164.161 (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, alright. My point is that the link is super tenuous and never explained or explicitated, it's a cover story at best since their real bosses are Seele. Perhaps something like "paramilitary" might be better, since they have vaguely defined State support?

FelipeFritschF (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gendo Ikari/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 02:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay. I wanted to expand the Vanitas article today so I forgot. I'll be taking this review.Tintor2 (talk) 02:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Part 1:

Lead

• First of all. The Nihongo lead needs to be added to the name of the character:
• "In the original series with the same name" This might come across as confusing. Mention if it's anime or a manga.
• Since it's the lead you should also say "he also appeared in the series' manga adaptation among other films" or something like that.

Conception

• First of all mention the series.
• Manga needs wikilink rather than comic
• Voice. The relationship between Rebuild and Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo is not explained. Maybe "the third Rebuild of Evangelion film, Evangelion 3.0 Yo Can (not) Redo)

Appearances

• Neon Genesis Evangelion could be trimmed since the first two paragraphs is the backstory which is briefly explored in the tv series.
• The section of Rebuild has some big paragraphs which I would suggest trimming or splitting especially in the staff commentary.
• Wasn't Gendo actually killed during Instrumentality in the manga? I remember he does not get eaten by the manga but gets some time of peace in his death.

True. He sees Yui before dying. I added this part.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TeenAngels1234: I'll continue the review later.Tintor2 (talk) 14:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2:Okay. Tried my best for the moment.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Part 2.

Man. This guy sure was scary.

Characterization

• The second paragraphs feels way detailed just for how he manipulates the two doctors and Kaji as it doesn't affect him
• "In the twelfth episode of the series, in Antarctica, Gendo argues with Fuyutsuki about the philosophical implications of the Second Impact, claiming "science is the strength of man" and that Antarctica, completely melted and devoid of life, is "a world cleansed of original sin" Doesn't really mean anything to me about the character. Is it really important?
• The reference to Devilman and its next paragraph seems to focus together about the ideal of becoming a god. It might fit both of them being together due to the subject.

Critical reception.

They originally were one single paragraph, but I'd rather leave them separate so as not to create a WoT.

• The second paragraph needs an introduction based on what's its subject.

@TeenAngels1234: Other than that the everything else seems well written. Good work.Tintor2 (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2: Done. Hope it works.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 18:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TeenAngels1234: Passing it. Good work.Tintor2 (talk) 22:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous (and often uncited) references to a negative critical reception of Gendo. This is misleading; whoever added these doesn't seem to know what a negative critical reception is.. "Negative critical reception" directly suggests that critics believe the character is _bad_ - not Walter White or Daniel Plainview bad, but, say, Norbit or Scrappy Doo bad, in narrative/enjoyment terms. It suggests that critics think Gendo is a detriment to Evangelion because he's a bad father/villainous, which isn't what they're saying. Rewrites and outright paragraph removals needed. (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The section explains not only how he is perceived as a negative character, but also how this was not appreciated.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Wmvb69: The article has to be written from a neutral point of view and sometimes Gendo comes across to the critics as an unsympathetic character which might explain why he has such negative reaction. That made TeenAngels' writing as neutral and lacking in bias as other articles he expanded include both positive and negative reactions to parts of the series so I don't see the need for another rewrite.Tintor2 (talk) 20:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]