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Please replace Chinese with South Korean and South Korean with Chinese because there are 8 korean members in Exo and 4 Chinese members hence why Korean should be put first instead of Chinese or else people may think that Exo is mostly a Chinese group even though they are mostly Korean. Also add "K-pop" next to it because Exo is known to be a "K-pop" group.

Original: Exo (Korean: 엑소; often stylized as EXO) is a Chinese-South Korean boy band based in Seoul. Please change it to: Exo (Korean: 엑소; often stylized as EXO) is a South Korean-Chinese K-pop boy band based in Seoul.

Sources: http://thetinayunho.blogspot.ca/2012/04/what-exo-means-introducing-exo-m-exo-k.html

Mayramussarrat12345 (talk) 04:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There has been an edit war recently on many Exo articles about the order in which the nationalities of the group should be listed in the lead: South Korean-Chinese or Chinese-South Korean. As far as I can tell, it has historically been listed as "SK-C" on Exo articles (including this one) and on the Exo disambiguation page. Recently a single user (as far as I can tell) changed them all to C-SK. Because this article is currently protected, an admin has asked for a consensus before changing it back to SK-C.

I know this issue has to have come up before somewhere on Wikipedia but I've hit a dead end trying to find previous consensus or existing policy/guidelines.

A few points I dug up:

• f(x) (band) is described as "multi-national" - they consist of Korean and Chinese members but sing primariy in Korean (as far as I know) - no relevant discussion on talk page
• Super Junior-M is described as "Mandopop" - they consist of Korean and Chinese members but sing solely in Mandarin (as far as I know) - no relevant discussion on talk page
• Super Junior - how were they described when Chinese national Han Geng was a member? (anyone remember or up for a huge journey through the article history?)
• Exo has more Korean members than Chinese; they were formed in South Korea; they are run by a South Koran company (SM Entertainment)
• 2PM is described as South Korean, despite presence of a Thai member

Let's work together to reach a consensus on the best possible, non-offensive, non-contentious wording. Note: for anyone joining from outside the world of kpop, nationality typically needs to be included in the lead of these articles as it is closely tied to establishing their notability. Shinyang-i (talk) 00:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Exo was formed by a South Korean entertainment company for release in the South Korean market. The fact that the group was broken into South Korean and Chinese sub-units is a marketing strategy. So I think that articles should be labeled as "SK-C". Mikepellerin^talk 02:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Country pairings throughout Wikipedia are generally ordered alphabetically, however. The History of Japan–Korea relations article is not located at History of Korea-Japan relations, and whenever a lead paragraph mentions multiple countries, in most cases they are listed in order from A to Z. --benlisquare_T•C•E 04:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Benlisquare:, I was looking for some kind of guideline like that and couldn't find a thing. Could you point me toward it? Thanks! Shinyang-i (talk) 04:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we might want to emphasize the word "dual-nationality" somehow.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:15, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what just happened, but as far as I can tell this page is still protected and yet it has been edited with the exact change being discussed right now. The user that made the change was the one who approached me about the edit war in the first place. Anyone know what's going on? I don't see a consensus yet and I don't know how this happened from a technical point of view. Shinyang-i (talk) 07:12, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said here, the page is semi-protected, which mainly blocks edits from unregistered users (IP addresses). --Random86 (talk) 08:50, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the user's edit. Let's continue the discussion. Shinyang-i (talk) 07:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reading this conversation and thinking...does the order even matter? Isn't the point just that the fact EXO is a South Korean/Chinese group is conveyed somehow? I apologize if I'm taking this issue too lightly. If I need to take a stand, I would say "South Korean-Chinese group" as the group's main activities are done in Korea or we can just describe it as "multi-national".  SmileBlueJay97  talk  17:20, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to matter to some people as they spend copious amounts of time switching the order. The group is based in Korea but I guess their activities are equally split between Korea and China(?). I'd vote for multi-national, although at some point in the article, both Korean and Mandarin will have to be mentioned. Maybe if it's down in the article and not up in the lead people won't fight so much over which gets mentioned first. I personally don't care at all, but ... seems to be a hot issue with some editors. Shinyang-i (talk) 17:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed this on the project page. See it isn't resolved. Figured I'd give my opinion on this since the discussion result can affect "my" page. Cross Gene are listed as Multinational. They were made intentionally to target all relevant Asian markets so they actually use terms like Asian and Multinational in their media play. I think the same can apply to EXO because much like Cross Gene, it is also a part of their identity. Also I would definitely like to keep multinational for Cross Gene as I don't want to have the headache of trying to decide which country to list first on a group formed by a Japanese label, based in Korea with members from both countries who also has Chinese members and promotions. I say we use multinational. Ausnarnia (talk) 18:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

South Korean-Chinese makes more sense to me. They're formed in Korea by a Korean company and as of now are based in Korea. They have more Korean members too compared to Chinese members. It's pretty clear to me.--Krystaleen 14:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Krystaleen but calling them a Multinational group covers that. There will always be someone out there saying it should be Korea first or China first, and I feel using multinational is the best way to avoid this. Peachywink (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, multinational seems to give the Chinese part too much weight.--Krystaleen 14:41, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See I disagree, to me multicultural is the better description. Until they disband the sub unit or the remaining Chinese members leave I think it is misleading to call the group completely Korean. They release nearly all their songs and music videos with both Chinese and Korean versions, something I haven't seen other groups really do. They also have 2 Korean members use Chinese stage names. I think the Chinese members play an important role in the way the group promotes themselves so calling them a multicultural boy group to me is fair and still accurate.Peachywink (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well I never said call them Korean. I said South Korean-Chinese.--Krystaleen 02:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Going to start the indents over before this gets crazy. Continuing with befor, Krystaleen I miss read you're suggestion that time...I also seem to have used multicultural when I meant multinational. My bad, sorry about that, don't type super late at night people. It's not good.Peachywink (talk) 07:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how using multinational is giving too much weight to the Chinese part, it's simply a fact. But I could get making this argument for a group that only promoted outside Korea as an afterthought, but that is not the case for EXO. They were made for both markets. They aren't and have never been exclusively a Kpop group, so multinational fits better. Ausnarnia (talk) 05:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is kind of a racist discussion. Do people realize that? It should be general and neutral: aphabetically! Chinese-South Korean. --176.0.76.125 (talk) 08:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How is this racist at all? Besides, Korean and Chinese share the same race (they're both mongoloid) so this is such a fail argument.--Krystaleen 12:59, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to be editing the Exo filmography...if anyone wants to join in that would be appreciated as it is a complete mess. I apologize in advanced if by editing it I somehow trigger a new round of editing wars but it needs to be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peachywink (talk • contribs) 22:26, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello PICS, May I request somebody to edit the detailed information (Cities stops, Venue, Number of attendees...) of EXO's tour as before? I don't know why it has been edited out completely. As they have second concert coming soon, updated info will help keeping track for users.

Thank you.

Spinelsun241 (talk) 03:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done as WP:NOTDIR we are not a gig-guide, or collection of random information only of interest to fans, which is why the previous tour was deleted and the upcoming one not included.
As stated at WP:OUTCOMES:-

Concert tours are only kept as notable if they are well-referenced by third-party reliable sources to show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms. Tour articles that only list tour dates and set lists are liable to be deleted, as are articles that are unreferenced or rely only upon fan sites.

Only if history shows it was really important is it likely to be added in. - Arjayay (talk) 19:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty safe to say Kris and Luhan are never coming back, so they should not be listed as inactive. Also Tao's leaving as well so that needs to be added.