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March 23

RESOLVED
Rejected as it is WP:OR. Mehedi Abedin 18:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diplomatic missions do not fly the flag of the host country. The paragraph is making an unusual, unverified claim that diplomatic missions flew the flag of Pakistan or Bangladesh on that day. Diplomatic missions only fly the flag of their own country, never the host country. Under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, the premises of a diplomatic mission is the domain of that mission's state. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 12:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Solomon The Magnifico: Maybe there was exception in the past. Also the thing is covered by a source of Prothom Alo, a reliable newspaper. I believe that the same can be found in books written about non-cooperation movement. Mehedi Abedin 22:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm sure there was no exception in 1971. This has been a norm and tradition for many decades before 1971. Diplomatic missions will only fly flags of their own country. To suggest otherwise will be a breach of longstanding norms. Is the source an opinion piece? I doubt it is a Prothom Alo report. The claim is highly unlikely to stand the test of verification. Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 23:05, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Solomon The Magnifico: Not an opinion, but it was reported by "Prothom Alo Desk". That means it is a news article. Mehedi Abedin 23:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there is a book that verified the claim. Haider, Rashid (1989). অসহযোগ আন্দোলন: একাত্তর [Non-Cooperation Movement: Seventy-one] (in Bengali). Dhaka: Bangla Academy. p. 93. – The fact was mentioned in that source. If I search then maybe I will able find more sources that support the claim. Mehedi Abedin 00:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MS Sakib: Do you want to say anything about that? Mehedi Abedin 00:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mehediabedin, @Solomon The Magnifico: Not only Prothom Alo,[1] but several leading newspapers of Bangladesh including bdnews24, Kaler Kantho[2] have also supported this claim! (Use google translate to verify the authenticity of my claim.) Many more references may be found if searched. ≈ MS Sakib  «TalK» 14:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehediabedin: and @MS Sakib: maybe protestors broke into the missions and hoisted the Bangladesh flag on the flagpoles? It is highly unlikely that a professional diplomatic mission like those of the UK, Indonesia, Iran, China and Soviet Union would fly the flag of any entity other than their own national flag.--Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 14:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to Article 20 of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations,[3] which came into force in 1964. In fact this is part of customary international law.

The mission and its head shall have the right to use the flag and emblem of the sending State on the premises of the mission, including the residence of the head of the mission, and on his means of transport.

Plus, why on earth would the Chinese, Indonesian and Iranian consulates fly the flag of Pakistan? The British mission was a Deputy High Commission, not a sub-high commission. There are many inaccuracies. I doubt the sentence has been properly translated from Bangla. I think both of you are getting the translation wrong.--Solomon The Magnifico (talk) 15:01, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Solomon The Magnifico: Actually it was protesters and students who hoisted the flags. And I changed "sub-high commission" into "deputy high commission". Also fixed the issues. Now I think there isn’t contradiction in the passage. Mehedi Abedin 00:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: I am reverting the edits made from the decision because it is clearly WP:OR. Also the Vienna Convention says "The mission and its head shall have the right to use the flag and emblem of the sending State on the premises of the mission, including the residence of the head of the mission, and on his means of transport". It doesn't mean that they can't use the flag of Pakistan on that day. this page says "There are effectively no hard-and-fast rules regarding the usage of flags among the diplomatic community". So this argument doesn’t make any sense. The user who started this discussion Solomon The Magnifico is blocked now and proved for their incompetency (see here, especially the comment of Worldbruce). But I am open to other possibilities. Feel free to start new discussion if you think Solomon The Magnifico's argument may be correct. Mehedi Abedin 18:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Desk, Prothom Alo. "পাকিস্তান দিবসে ওড়ে স্বাধীন বাংলার পতাকা". Prothom Alo. Retrieved 2022-10-27. {{cite web}}: |last= has generic name (help)
  2. ^ "দেশজুড়ে ওড়ে স্বাধীন বাংলার পতাকা | কালের কণ্ঠ". Kalerkantho (in Bengali). 2022-03-23. Retrieved 2022-10-27.
  3. ^ https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf
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