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Hi. I think the names should be listed from eldest to youngest in the first paragraph. Currently, it listed based on Exo-K then Exo-M members. Since Exo no longer split between K and M, I feel that it should be back to listing their names by age. The box thing at the right also listed it based on their ages too. I think it better to be consistent with the box thing. Plus the next paragraph, they divided the names to K and M. That one is okay because it added the old members and tell us about the history until 2014. So I think we can change the names in the first paragraph to by age order? It eliminates the confusion when new people see the paragraph and box being differet... 219.74.196.215 (talk) 10:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, you can go ahead and do it. The names are only in that order in the lead section because I wrote them that way originally (which is my personal way of remembering them all). NicklausAU 06:49, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am unable to edit the page.. 219.74.196.215 (talk) 04:01, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@219.74.196.215: I’ve made the changes for you. Alexanderlee (talk) 07:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry @219.74.196.215:, for some reason that didn't even occur to me :( Thanks Alexanderlee. NicklausAU 00:34, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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In April 2018, Forbes described Exo as one of the two artists worldwide that dramatically over-perform on social media, with the other being fellow K-pop boy band BTS.[186] Both groups exceeded the reach of American artists such as Beyonce, Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift.[186] Twitter statistics from Next Big Sound, show that with 24 million mentions in one week, Exo recorded 14,000 times more than expected.[186] Exo also ranked at number two on the 2018 Billboard Social 50 end of year ranking, alongside BTS who ranked at number one.[187]

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In April 2018, Forbes described Exo as one of the two artists worldwide that dramatically over-perform on social media.[186] Both groups exceeded the reach of American artists such as Beyonce, Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift.[186] Twitter statistics from Next Big Sound, show that with 24 million mentions in one week, Exo recorded 14,000 times more than expected.[186] Exo also ranked at number two on the 2018 Billboard Social 50 end of year ranking.[187] 42.61.51.60 (talk) 06:27, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Removing all mentions of BTS from the paragraph causes issues with flow/grammar (i.e The second sentence says "Both groups" - removing the reference to BTS from the previous sentence makes it confusing. NiciVampireHeart 20:48, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Partially done. I wrote the original section you referred to and knew it was a mistake even then. It was only written to satisfy a very questionable GA reviewer who seemed more interested in instigating drama and comparisons between the two groups than about improving the quality of this page (for evidence, read final message on GA review page). The second reference to BTS was literally only there because he/she asked for it. The first; however, is neutral and does work. NicklausAU 13:21, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I asked this on the Exo discography talk page but I'm also asking here as I have yet to get a response but I need two reliable sources for DMUMT and Exact mentioned on this list. I cleaned up the Korea section as best as I could but I'm not familiar with Exo content so I could not provide the sources. If any of the exo page editors can help that would be great!! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With now 2 of the 6 albums in the "Korean and Mandarin" discography section being only released in Korean and not also in Mandarin, it might be time to revisit the discussion of groupings of albums in discography sections. As "Korean and Mandarin" is not an accurate title for third of the list and we are relying on footnotes to provide clarification, a change should be made in my opinion. I see 2 options:

A) Move Don't Mess Up My Tempo and Obsession to a third section called "Korean albums" or something similar, to signify that they were released only in Korean alone. However, this solution does not rectify the fact that DMUMT included one song on it that was in Mandarin.

B) List all studio albums chronologically without language distinction.

I'm just going to tag anyone involved in discussions about this topic, now archived, on the talk page previously. I understand if you are no longer interested in having an input, but any opinions about those 2 options or any third options are welcome. Orentbyte, ℯxplicit, Ss112, Requiem II.

It should be noted, a consensus has never actually been reached on this issue. Changes have been attempted before and discussions have always ended in stalemate, not consensus. The albums were separated from their original chronological order without language distinction here (see diff) without a discussion or reason given.

My personal opinion is option B, as option A would make the page unnecessarily convoluted and I can't think of any other alternative. NicklausAU 10:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging an additional very regular contributor to this article, QueenJ0805. I apologise for not tagging you originally. NicklausAU 11:39, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I say we change it back to chronological order without language distinction. It doesn't really benefit readers; they can learn more in the prose, on Exo discography or the individual album articles anyway. I don't even think it needs to be a full discussion. It's appreciated that you'd prefer to address it on the talk page though, as most don't do that. Ss112 17:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose both options and this constant push to fix something that isn't broken. Not all articles are written and formatted in the same way, nor is there any requirement to do so. MOS:DISCOGRAPHY makes it clear: "The exact format chosen will depend on the discography and the amount of verifiable information available, which may vary greatly between musical acts. In all cases, the format should follow from what's best for the article, and not vice versa." The chronology between the Korean/Mandarin and Japanese albums simply do not overlap. If the footnotes are that much of an issue, just change the header to omit "Mandarin" and remove the footnotes. From my understanding, both versions of the first four studio albums are not independent from each other—when are the Mandarin versions referred to as Chinese studio albums as opposed to just editions/versions of the Korean one?—in the same sense that the original Korean-language "Love Me Right" and Japanese-language "Love Me Right" operate separately and the country-specific singles chronology splinter off into their own thing thereafter.

"However, this solution does not rectify the fact that DMUMT included one song on it that was in Mandarin." That does not make it a Mandarin album in the same sense that miss A's English-language "Love Alone" doesn't make A Class an English album. ƏXPLICIT 10:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! It's a pleasant surprise to receive a notification while I just stumbled upon Wikipedia as Exo will be releasing a new album soon. Anyway, I think both options aren't feasible. Option A is going to make the discography section confusing and messy with three different sub-headings. For Option B, it feels like we are under-crediting Exo's involvement in releasing songs in Korean, Mandarin and Japanese. Or if you want to use the chronological order, you can put the language beside the album in brackets (e.g., 2013: XOXO (KR and MR) <- personally I think it feels weird? Ultimately, I feel that Japanese albums must be denoted as most of the songs in that album do not have Korean or Chinese versions yet, which may imply it's a standalone album. Requiem II (talk) 21:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, ℯxplicit, this is not a push to fix something that isn't broken. The current format is broken if the list title is inaccurate for a third of the list. I did not imply that all articles must be written in a certain way, nor that this article should be altered to fit a pre-determined structure, so please don't put words in my mouth. I believe I am following the exact passage of MOS:DISCOGRAPHY that you brought up. The format should follow what is best for this article, which is currently doesn't. With regard for your actual point, I don't understand how the "chronology of the studio albums do not overlap". They are all full studio albums and were released in a specific order. I don't see why they are not equivalent in standing. Currently, readers have to do a double take to understand what should be quite a simple list.

Hello to you too Requiem II, thank you for your additions! However, I am not really sure we need to be concerned about possibly under-crediting the range of languages Exo release music in, considering the number of times the languages are mentioned in the lead and this article, although I do see your point. NicklausAU 11:37, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]