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As these are generated by a bot, and I occasionally check or patrol the status of these, I moved them to a special archive: /Disambiguation link notifications. Wbm1058 (talk) 13:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...so I moved them to the /Content to-do items subpage. Someday maybe I'll get to these... Wbm1058 (talk) 03:00, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of tumbleweeds rolling over at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers... the last edit added a {{backlog}} template. Now that I'm an administrator, I've decided to focus on clearing the Wikipedia:WikiProject History Merge and Category:Possible cut-and-paste moves backlogs first. If Proposed mergers were busier, I'd make this a higher priority.

• Older discussions are at /Automating proposed mergers. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since you run MergeBot and RMCDBot, I was wondering, if it were possible to create an auto generated list like WP:RM has but for WP:PM, that links to the centralized discussion area, and lists the topics to be merged (from/to/with) ? As the current MergeBot already generates arrows indicated from/to/with, it would seem a modification of template:requested move/dated/multi would do to handle such an automated listing based on a standardized talk section header.

-- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See § Wikipedia "Merge" like WP:RM or WP:AFD above. Still on my back-burner. Wbm1058 (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions are consolidated at /Adding permalinks to block log entries. – Wbm1058 (talk) 14:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A big thank you for your help to clear Category:Cross-namespace redirects into its subcats. Really can't thank you enough! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 03:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. One final push to clear most of the rest, and then it will be time to take a break. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Break? Whassat?! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 05:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Just a note that Category:Redirects to user namespace is significantly underpopulated. I was working off the list at User:Largoplazo/WP Redirects to further populate it, and worked my way through the A's. It's on my patrol list, so I may get to it eventually. Wbm1058 (talk) 02:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  I finally used AWB to populate Category:Redirects to user namespace; it now has over 900 members. My technique was to Make list from source Special page: All Redirects in namespace Wikipedia: – the category hasn't yet been fully populated for other namespaces. I think all of the cross-namespace redirect categories can and should eventually be populated by bots... AWB may be able to do that with a sufficiently sophisticated configuration. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  See HERE for the regex find & replace used for this. I manually monitored this and had to skip some that were already rcat templated; also may have missed some. wbm1058 (talk) 17:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  Or the database query method used to generate User:Largoplazo/WP Redirects may be a more efficient method than my AWB special page walk-through. I need to figure out how to do that myself. @Paine Ellsworth: FYI. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the ping, Wbm1058! That's pretty cool stuff you're doing – and waay outside my full comprehension. Please keep up the great work!  OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")! Paine  15:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wbm1058,

You asked a while ago about how many editors were using VisualEditor each month, rather than the each-day stats that are given on the dashboard. It appears that the most recent answer is that a bit under 1800 editors here at the English Wikipedia saved an edit with VisualEditor during the month of June. This represents about 5% of the people who have (ever) opted in to VisualEditor (most of whom are not currently active editors) and almost 1.5% of all registered editors who made any edit at all last month.

@Risker:, you might be interested in these numbers, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some analysis of VisualEditor's setting of behavior switches, see the archived discussion. I intend to follow up on this. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:03, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edits reverted my fix to remove duplicate parameters and these files will soon be placed in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. I'm not watching them, nor am I watching this page, so I leave it to you to fix the issues. --  Gadget850 ^talk 22:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gadget850: Right, already taken care of. See Template talk:Non-free use rationale logo#Override fields. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For that matter, {{Non-free use rationale 2}} and {{Non-free use rationale logo}} are also somewhat redundant, as show by the usage of both here. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:31, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Consolidated discussions are at my subpage /Generate automatic summary /* blah */ when I manually add a section heading when editing. Hopefully solutions are on the way soon. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's really no point to having test cases for data modules, since there's no code to test. Also, doc pages that contain a #invoke of the module itself exist so that TemplateSandbox can be used to preview changes of the module. It's fine to add "real" documentation, but the #invoke must not be disabled or removed when doing so. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Syrian Civil War map is in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded.

I edited Module:Syrian Civil War map/doc, and created Module:Syrian Civil War map/testcases.

Cities and towns during the Syrian Civil War used to transclude {{Syrian Civil War detailed map}}, until substituted.

Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map loads Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map.

Template:Syrian Civil War map (created 21 February 2015‎) . . . Wbm1058 (talk) 03:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments about the state of accuracy in the world on Jimbo's talk page are very interesting. I would like to explore this topic further. I'm particularly fond of your statement, "Society as a whole perhaps doesn't value accuracy as much as it should, and indeed Wikipedia editors should strive for a higher level of accuracy." Heck, I think some kind of variation on this should be our guiding principle. You've really nailed something here, and I think it's worth pursuing. One counterargument to pursuing accuracy, however, might attempt to appeal to the blind men and an elephant analogy. How would you respond to this? Viriditas (talk) 08:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The best we can do is report the truth as best as we know it, and be open-minded to new information that can give us a better vision of the truth. As more "parts of the elephant" become known to us, the more accurate our "truth" becomes. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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So many things needing fixed, so little time time get to more than a fraction of them, sigh. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct; Garry Newman redirected to Facepunch Studios. However, Garry newman (note the capitalisation) redirected to Garry's Mod, at least until I altered it to be consistent with the former a few minutes ago.

This was technically a mistake on my part, but IMHO understandable as names normally use upper case and it's confusing and error-prone to have two different capitalisations of the same name redirect to different places. Not really your fault or my fault, rather that it would have been better if there had only been one redirect in the first place!

All the best, Ubcule (talk) 14:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ubcule, right, that was flagged by Category:Articles with redirect hatnotes needing review, which I patrol. I try to catch those, but when you process so many, it's easy to miss one. Perhaps the module that populates this category can be enhanced to check for that; I also sometimes look at Inconsistent similar redirects, which presumably would flag this situation too. Wbm1058 (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem- like I said, not your fault, perhaps slightly mine, and was just explaining why I made a minor mistake. :-) Thanks for keeping an eye on this type of thing. All the best, Ubcule (talk) 21:42, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that you once intended to take your Timeline of DOS operating systems article to featured status, but did not take time to familiarize yourself with the process. Looking at that article, the only thing that is not compliant with the featured list criteria is the lead section. Basically, the only thing required to promote it to FL status would be to expand the lead section by adding an introduction to DOS operating systems. After that, you are good to go and can nominate it according to the instructions on WP:FLC. (Since this article is a list, the Good Article process does not apply.) Good luck! sst✈ 04:24, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I see, apparently there is no "good list" equivalent to Good Article, so I can skip that step and go straight to becoming a member of Category:Featured lists, where around a couple dozen featured timelines can be found. Thanks! As I haven't made any significant updates to that since February, I suppose I'm due to get back to it and finish it off soon. Wbm1058 (talk) 11:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi wbm, I see you mention this book on your user page. Does the main thesis have implications for how Wikipedia works, and if so, on what time scale? - Dank (push to talk) 15:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A main thesis of the book is that accelerating technology improvements will reduce employment, and over time this will effect more higher-skilled occupations. We see this already with jobs coming back to the US from China... because they are replacing people with bots. Yes, a few more jobs for Americans who are skilled at bot development, operations and maintenance. But way fewer jobs than were displaced in China. Of course, at Wikipedia there are relatively few editors that work for money. We already have very intelligent bots such as ClueBot NG that help tremendously with tasks such as vandalism reversion. That one has over 4 million edits now! Bots also help with spelling corrections. There could be further enhancements to these tasks that could reduce the need for new page patrollers and spelling correctors. Time scale is dependent on volunteer contributions, or possible funding by the Wikimedia Foundation. wbm1058 (talk) 17:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The future seems to be coming at us pretty fast. I try to stay informed-but-neutral. - Dank (push to talk) 17:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an interesting news item: California Enacts Law Requiring IMDb to Remove Actor Ages on Request

I participated in an interesting conversation about this here. I'd be interested in hearing from others who are interested in this. What do you think? wbm1058 (talk) 22:16, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Revealing an actor's age is illegal? IMDb website sues California wbm1058 (talk) 22:09, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of actors and birth dates... Can we remove the birth date from Vanessa Ferlito's page or lock it? Plenty of public sources cite 1977 yet someone (probably her PR) keeps reverting it back to 1980. IMDB doesn't fall in line. Suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.208.185 (talk) 03:19, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right, thanks. I don't like to see stuff I archived as resolved keep coming back as an issue. I see the TV Guide bio doesn't have a birth date anymore, while in my archive I reported that it did. I think pending changes protection is in order, as relying on watchlisting isn't giving us timely reversions. wbm1058 (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

{{Search deletion discussions}} and {{Search prefixes}} and all that authors other stuff should probably be deleted after emailing him. His {{Create parameter string}} is used but not well.

For now, I'd fix wp: Deletion process § Search all deletion discussions with a search link for each of the fullpagenames in wp:Deletion process § Step-by-step instructions (all discussion types).

I would. And I'd be glad for an invite to help you with any queries or discussions on this matter. — Cpiral§Cpiral 05:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 61 § is there a way to search several sections with one search? – June 10–17, 2009

And User talk:Rainman § modification to search several Wikipedian sections at one time – June 15–17, 2009

And User talk:Stmrlbs/Archive/001 § multiple prefixes – June 15–17, 2009

June 17, 2009 Help:Searching documentation update, alas documentation of this multiple-prefixes-separated-by-pipes feature was removed on October 11, 2009 when this was rewritten, to try to improve usability

"To search multiple sections of Wikipedia with different prefixes, enter the different prefixes with a pipe delimiter."

"This should be especially useful for archive searching in concert with inputbox or searchbox."

• MediaWiki search engine improved, 10 November 2008
  • en.wiki migrated to new search backend, June 2, 2009. Wikitech-l
• Initial import of rewritten Lucene-Search extension
  • History No commits between August 2007 and March 2010. So where is the June 2009 change to support this?

@Cpiral: so clearly prefix did at least briefly take pipes. Unfortunately, the volunteer developer of that, Rainman, isn't active any more either, and I haven't been able to locate his code changes that implemented that feature. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the history lesson. Interesting. Maybe useful.

Anyway, for now we have wp:deletion process#Search all deletion discussions. Hope that helps. — Cpiral§Cpiral 07:59, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

None of those redirects should go to Sense -- which is a problematic article, and I have already tagged for merging. As a user I got very confused by the bad Sense article and it took me a long time to find the information I was looking for, which is in Sensory system. So when you claim we need to be consistent, we should be consistent forward in the good direction, not backward in the bad direction. LaurentianShield (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your comment at category talk:Possible cut-and-paste moves. That's really interesting. So, Mikaey had himswlf requested the category to emptied. What's more, the task is even listed as a potential ine for AarghBot at its user page. So, why are u wasting ur time decatting pages manually? Why don't u nominate it for deletion. As u must be aware, Cydebot automatically empties all categories upon a CFD discussion closing with consensus to delete. Here, it's almost a G7 case - I don't see why anyone would object to the cat being deleted. Most of the entries are false positives and the ones wbich aren't are alrady listed at WP:WPHM. 103.6.159.72 (talk) 15:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Five months after I made those comments, it was nominated for deletion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 12#Category:Possible cut-and-paste moves. I missed that discussion, which happened when I went on my summer break. Sigh, none of those voting keep are helping to clear it. I did an edit summary search and found that when I was last working this backlog on October 30, 2015 I got as far alphabetically as Rakim & Ken-Y (Ke) and when I resumed on January 19, 2017 the first one I did was Kadar Khan (Kh) so substantially nobody else has been working this in a meaningful way. I've been trying to find a way to more efficiently clear this. Cats for discussion is an area that I'm not very active in. wbm1058 (talk) 18:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see you made a somewhat related bot request, Wikipedia:Bot requests#Bot for category history merges. I've thought about the possibility of admin-bots helping out with hist-merges in article-space, and a bot doing hist-merges in category-space probably wouldn't be all that different. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Merge bot 2

For an adminbot that's good to perform hundreds of thousands of admin actions, your BRFA, I apologise, is quite lacklustre. (I just fixed a big typo) I would suggest that you expand the function overview to completely describe everything the bot's gonna do. You see, you have to convince the BAG that you are responsible and capable of running a bot with advanced permissions. 103.6.159.74 (talk) 14:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure that Od Mishehu wanted you to revdelete cydebot's edit summary only when it contains the name of a now-vanished user. If the bot can't recognize such users or if it's too much trouble to implement, I'd suggest leaving out that part altogether. I personally don't see the need for doing that at all, since the vanished user's original username can anyway be known by looking at their rename log or just by reading the signatures on their talk page. In any case, revdeleting all of Cydebot's edit summaries makes no sense. 103.6.159.74 (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing my little mistake. I guess I was a little tired when I wrote that up. I trust that whichever BAG member reviews this will also read the longer linked bot-request page discussion, and ask me any questions they have. I'll just wait to see what questions they have, and then answer them. Some thought my self-nomination for RFA was lacklustre too, but I still managed to pass that. Regarding the revdeletes, I believe the thinking there is that we want to hide them preemptively in case anyone wants to vanish in the future. If not, then I'll need a list of usernames to check for, to determine which ones to hide. I think the idea is to make it harder to find vanished users. Also the list in the edit summary isn't necessary because all of the users named in it would now be in the merged edit history. But I'm ambivalent about the need to hide the edit summaries. You can bring that up on the bot requests or BRFA page to see whether there is consensus for hiding or not hiding. Hundreds of thousands, I guess you're right: 87,000 × 4 = 348,000. I'm sure the BAG will ask for shorter trial runs before they let me unleash it at full-throttle. wbm1058 (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

fixed another typo. 103.6.159.68 (talk) 06:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I see you have directed cat:1921-1922 establishments in Turkey to Cat:1921-1922 establishments in the Ottoman Empire. Well that requires some consideration. After 23 April 1920 the Ottoman Empire and Turkey were different states with different constitutions and different governments. It is true that the Republic was proclainmed in 1923, but even before the proclamation of the Republic, Turkey was a soverign state independent of the Ottoman Empire. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These automated administrative actions were performed as part of the bot trial authorized in the section above. All I did was to history-merge categories which had previously been renamed. wbm1058 (talk) 13:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1. Category:1920 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1920 disestablishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:11:32Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:11:37Z (5)
2. Category:1915 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1915 disestablishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:11:18Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:11:27Z (9)
3. Category:1914 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1914 disestablishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:11:08Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:11:13Z (5)
4. Category:1913 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1913 disestablishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:10:57Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:11:03Z (6)
5. Category:1912 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1912 disestablishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:10:46Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:10:52Z (6)
6. Category:1909 disestablishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1909 disestablishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:10:35Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:10:41Z (6)
7. Category:1922 establishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1922 establishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:10:15Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:10:31Z (16)
8. Category:1921 establishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1921 establishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:09:56Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:10:10Z (14)
9. Category:1920 establishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1920 establishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:09:24Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:09:51Z (27)
10. Category:1919 establishments in the Ottoman Empire <-- Category:1919 establishments in Turkey 2015-02-26T22:09:13Z <-- 2015-02-26T22:09:19Z (6)

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Hi Wbm1058

I'm guessing that it was this edit[1] by you which produced the flurry of Category:ISO 639 name xyz-type categories currently listed at Special:WantedCategories. Is that right?

If so, is there any guidance on how to create them? It would be handy to have them cleared before the next update of Special:WantedCategories brings in another flood of new stuff. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:06, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BrownHairedGirl: Right, this was my clunky attempt to solve a problem. See Template talk:ISO 639 name#Return empty string for codes not on the list. Sorry about cluttering up WantedCategories; that was a side-effect that I didn't think of. These categories are not actually supposed to be created, but rather templates with the same name. The idea was to avoid degrading the reader experience by showing redlink-templates, but provide an easier way for patrolling editors to find the problem. I guess I should revert that, but it would be nice to replace it with a better solution, if we can come up with one. wbm1058 (talk) 00:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my post was a bit unclear. What I meant was: any guidance on how to create the templates? I'd be happy to help if I knew how.

This looks fine as a way of getting a list of needed templates. But now that Special:WantedCategories has created the list, it would be helpful if the template could stop generating these categories, prferably before the next update (which is likely on 11 April or 12 April).

I have gotten a it of practice at quickly grabbing a categ list from the oddly-formatted Special:WantedCategories, so I made a list of the ISO 639 categs, at User:Wbm1058/ISO 639 categs. I hope that helps; if it's a nuisance, pls delete it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BrownHairedGirl, this is kind of like the blind leading the blind to repair issues caused by other blind. There is Category:Articles containing unknown ISO 639 language template, which was created by Jonesey95. Then there is also Category:Lang-x templates with other than ISO 639. Some editors have used these "language" templates for dialects of languages that do not have ISO 639 codes, thus the attempts of templates to look up ISO 639 codes fail with errors implying an ISO 639 template needs to be created. Well, there is none to be created. My solution for cases like that is edits like THIS and THIS. We need to sort these dialect "languages" out from the real languages that actually have ISO 639 codes where a template really does need to be created. I'm not an expert in any of this, and got involved with it when the new Category:Pages with template loops was created, and that snagged the poor design of these "language" templates. See also Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 154#Category:Pages with template loops for background on what led me into this rabbit-hole. Template:Language with name and Template:Lang were never intended to be used for dialects, but how can we expect editors other than the ones who designed these templates to know that? – wbm1058 (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What an almighty mess. My immediate question is to ask what purpose this whole system serves, and whether any of this necessary? I know little about the topic, so I make no attempt to try answering that pair of questions ... but I do think that when something gets so complex, it's time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit ratios.

I'm afraid that I have neither the skills to get that deep into these templates nor the inclination to do so, so I think i'd better withdraw my offer to help. Sorry!

In the meantime, please could you revert the edit which populated the categs? It does seem to have served its purpose, and the ongoing slog of clearing the 100–200 daily additions to Special:WantedCategories is impeded by these categs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

BrownHairedGirl, you are wise to move on to somewhere that makes more sense. The whole lang template system is a bit of a mess and in need of a rethink. In the meantime, I am slowly (five weeks so far) clearing out the errors and creating needed templates based on Category:Articles containing unknown ISO 639 language template. I should be done in a couple of weeks.

In answer to your "what purpose this whole system serves", tagging text with {{lang}} can affect how the enclosed text is rendered. It also adds a tracking category, which may be useful to some editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not sure edits like this are the optimal solution – whether something is a language or a dialect is irrelevant, we want the text string to be formatted properly and bypassing {{Language with name}} doesn't help with that. I've had a look at User:Wbm1058/ISO 639 categs and most of these appear to either contain typos (in which case they need to be fixed in the specific pages that use the lang template), or to be of the type aaa-Bbb, which is the format for the language (aaa) + script(Yyyy) combination. Pinging Erutuon whom I've seen working on this. – Uanfala (talk) 14:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on Category:Articles containing unknown ISO 639 language template and expect to have it mostly cleared out in a few days. When I started a month ago, there were something like 2,000 pages in the category. It's down to 332 right now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would replace all the templates with modules. The module could check to see if the code string is valid character-wise – either xyz or xyz-Abcd – using regular expressions. It could also check if the script and language codes are correct using the MediaWiki language library or a data module that lists language codes. And it could create linked language names by adding the articles as an entry in the data module. Wiktionary does all this language-related stuff using modules (see wikt:Module:languages, wikt:Module:scripts, wikt:Module:script utilities). I've begun such a module at Module:Language (see also Module:Language/scripts/data), though it does not currently do everything mentioned here. — Eru·tuon 18:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great to me. I see that you have already seen this discussion from six months ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you need any help, you can ask for it at Wikipedia:Lua/To do. While I've self-taught myself enough PHP to support two bots and even write one from scratch, I've yet to make time to study Lua, so I can only do so much with that. wbm1058 (talk) 20:43, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. For notification, the task to switch between new and old interface of user contributions page was rejected. Izno suggested personal gadget/script or something. I would prefer that the switch between old and new be proposed at WP:village pump (proposals). Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 16:12, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

George, I wouldn't know how to write a script to change the interface, and I'm not keen on switching between two less-than-ideal interfaces. There should only need be one, fully-functional interface that's adequate for efficiently handling all use cases. What we have now is not such an interface, and we should focus on getting that one improved. I'm frustrated with the current means of interacting with the developers – there is a confusing array of different "phabricators" on this, I'm not keen on the phabricator editing interface, and I don't know whether I should add to an existing phab or start a new one, so I prefer using Village Pump where I can use Wikitext. As I need to use this interface to perform specific tasks, I may report issues I have with the current interface that make it more difficult to get the job done. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:55, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... How about Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab), where we can discuss the user contributions interface? --George Ho (talk) 16:03, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. But, per "defines a solution rather than a problem" I don't know if solutions developed in the idea lab would be welcomed by the developers. I'm not happy with the "handcuffs" placed on us with regard to modes of interaction with developers. Maybe if I just present problems to WP:VPT, and let them either tell me how to achieve my desired result, or make changes to the interface that allow me to achieve my desired result. wbm1058 (talk) 16:15, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No offense, but IMO I don't think WP:VPT is a place for general feedback on any software or something. VPT is used for technical difficulties, bugs, glitches, and other tech issues that need immediate attention (not sure whether I phrased it correctly). One complaint describing none of these, and they'll either advise you to write a personal script/gadget or write one for you as they did before. But you're welcome to choose any appropriate venue. I still think the "idea lab" is best bet. --George Ho (talk) 16:33, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

At the top of WP:VPT there is a notice "Bug reports and feature requests should be made in Phabricator" but that's just redirecting us back to an interface I find less than ideal. I don't understand why they have such an aversion to Wikitext. I think that's easiest as all active editors are intimately familiar with it. Almost everything the developers in general try to pawn off as "easier" to use, I find to be more of a pain. But venue should be secondary to getting the issues raised, so if you want to start an idea lab thread, feel free. wbm1058 (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, I just realized that you can go to meta:Tech and then post your concerns there. The developers changed the interface all over the wikis. --George Ho (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see, meta:Tech#"Search for contributions" date range. So, let's let the latest bug fix settle in before we try using it again. That page seems like a good place for reporting issues with the Special:Contributions interface, as I hate to go to the trouble to submit a new bug report, only to find that one's already been submitted. wbm1058 (talk) 17:25, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The major bug is fixed. George Ho (talk) 06:52, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I complained about the new widget date-picking interface after futzing with it and not figuring out how to efficiently make it work to actually select a specific date range. I assumed that it was working as designed, and that I was just too dense to figure out the secret for making it work. So after this bug fix, which I see involves other developers than those designing the widgets (go figure, I don't exactly understand the bug report), I'm happy to report that the widget now works for me with minimal fuss. There's more than one way to skin this cat, so while this might not be my preferred way, I'm not going to fuss about it much if it works. wbm1058 (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 There is still an open task to consolidate the "date pickers".

 @George Ho: FYI. After letting this settle in for several months, I'm still not satisfied with its behavior. I've entered a new Phabricator task. wbm1058 (talk) 19:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thank you for your help at RfD, it's appreciated! Just a note though, that after a discussion is closed, nowadays it's usually expected from the closer to place the {{Old rfd}} note on the talk page (of course, unless the redirect was deleted). If you use the XFDcloser script, it will do that for you. – Uanfala 12:52, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I wasn't aware that there was a script for that! wbm1058 (talk) 12:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Its capabilities were relatively recently extended to RfD. It's quite useful and saves a lot of work, especially if there are several redirects and the outcome is the same for all of them. – Uanfala 13:00, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I took 5 articles out of the error category yesterday. DrKay (talk) 06:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@DrKay: I see, and you've put notes on the editor's talk pages as well. Thanks for letting me know. That template is something of a mess; I'm working on cleaning it up. Will get back to you about the died/widowed thing. wbm1058 (talk) 13:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've been slow to follow up on this. Just noticed Template talk:Marriage#Death and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Template talk:Marriage#Death. I'll take a look. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Could you add

-->(<!--

to this template, right before this line:

(Start parenthesis carrying marriage data)

It looks like you deleted it by mistake and I'm not able to edit it myself. Thanks. Bmf 051 (talk) 21:39, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I just noticed that myself, and was looking at it just as you dropped me this notice. Thanks! wbm1058 (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These trucks are named "International". That is a fact. This is some kind of culture thing. These trucks are only called "Harvester" inside Wikipedia. A name has been made up for ease in linking Wikipedia articles.

This is such a simple thing and it has been made so complex. People go out of their way to make up complications. Maybe because they hate me. Nobody will just say "oops, got that wrong, better fix it". Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 02:26, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About the requested moves discussion. As one of the simpler editors here I'm concerned this discussion seems to have cunningly escaped closing and I don't understand why. Am I allowed to bring it to the attention of an / any admin? If this discussion is closed with no change can the same discussion, more or less immediately, be re-commenced with this time more disciplined input from the supporters of the move? Is a renewed request barred for some long time? Thanks and regards, Eddaido (talk) 01:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The strongest case can be made for moving International Harvester S-Series, the last complete product line designed within the existence of International Harvester, which has a lengthy production history under Navistar. I'd enter a single request to move just that, for the best chance of success, then take it from there as far as consensus allows. But let's wait to cross that bridge before we have to. wbm1058 (talk) 15:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What is the weakness of the many sources that Eddiao and I have shown? We don't seem to get anyone to consider them. (I probably have confused things too much). You know I think the circle is just to small, too much prejudice. Both Eddiado and I have begged for outside, objective POVs, no luck. We were lucky to get you, even though I don't always agree with you. Without some more "new eyes", just by default this may stay stagnant. (Personal note: is it acceptable for me to update a collapsed source list to be clearer?) Thank you. Sammy D III (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido and Sammy D III: See Talk:International Harvester S-Series § Requested move 18 November 2017. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if you might be able to help me find something. Around 2010 or soon after there was a discussion of the appropriate name for International trucks (then I think without the Harvester). The argument for including Harvester was very narrowly carried on the grounds that it avoided confusion with any truck crossing the Canadian or Mexican or other border. I was truly startled at the time but still being a new kid on the block I did nothing - anyway I think the discussion was over when I found it.

Since 2008 there has been a Commons:category:International trucks and there has never been any confusion at all so far as I am aware (and I go around Commons tidying things up which is why I first raised this matter). The same unjustified concern has been raised again at the end of the most recent discussion.

I have made efforts to search through old discussions on Wikimedia and Commons without any luck. Is it possible you might have a better understanding of this environment, better tools and more success? Many thanks, Eddaido (talk) 09:55, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido: sorry, I wasn't able to locate it either. I've added comments addressing that issue at WikiProject Trucks. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you look into the "Update Redirect" discussion on the Talk:AR-15 (disambiguation) page. I don't like where User:Shaded0 is taking this discussion.--Limpscash (talk) 05:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you look at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#RAF910 discussion where User:Shaded0 is making some very serious accusations. He tried to ping you but I don't think it worked.--Limpscash (talk) 06:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your recent articles on the noticeboard page and the talk page discussions. I am at a bit of a loss on what the correct action should be taken next. The stated points seem to be reasonable arguments, but I feel like this argument is going to keep going in circles. Take a look also at Talk:Colt AR-15. Does it make sense continue pursing AR-15 arguments, seek additional input? I feel like I might have not too much to add here besides another vote for consensus, but any further discussion seems that it will likely further inflame opinions rather than coming to some sort of resolution. Shaded0 (talk) 20:59, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shaded0, I'm not sure what your goals are here, i.e. specifically what you would like to accomplish. I added the {{WikiProject content advice}} template at the top of Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms § Guidelines since that advice section co-mingles both style and content advice. My sense is that you are more concerned with content than style, so it might be helpful to spit that section into separate style and content sections, if you want to focus on one but not the other. Looking at Category:WikiProject content advice I see that there are relatively few topic areas where such content-specific advice is given. I think the recent changes to Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms § Criminal use were not well thought out and too-hastily pushed through. I prefer the more longstanding previous version of that advice, and would have opposed this change. I'd like to revert to the former version. I suppose the way to overrule that local consensus would be to appeal to a wider audience with a request for comment. I'm not sure there is a well-trodden path for such appeals; it's something I'm not that familiar with as I don't often engage in high-level content debates. In any event, the Bushmaster XM-15 article still has Notoriety, Sandy Hook, and Legality sections, so if this advice-change was an attempt to remove all that in favor of nothing more than "see also" links, the advice change hasn't stuck in that article. Given that, I'm not sure how much time it's worth to pursue this. wbm1058 (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We are being targeted by someone call Lightbreather on Twitter. Please see the sites below:

https://twitter.com/Lightbreather?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://lightbreather.com/wikipedias-promotion-of-pro-gun-lingo-more-about-ar-15-v-modern-sporting-rifle-e3b6a7625621

I'm not sure what to make of this. Is this the same Wikipedia User:Lightbreather that has been blocked?--Limpscash (talk) 06:37, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. I had not seen that blog. I've heard of LB but am not familiar with the details of her block. She says she's a Cronkite School alumna, and I can believe that as it shows in the quality of her blog. I welcome good criticism, and she makes some good points. No comment on the merits of her arbitration case, but, in general it's a shame when we lose editors like this for whatever reason.

Here's the 36 edits I made on November 7 related to this. It's not immediately apparent from that how I became involved in this. I patrol Category:Articles with redirect hatnotes needing review. This 6 November 2017 edit which changed the target of AR-15 caused Colt AR-15 to land in that category by rendering its hatnote {{Redirect|AR-15}} untruthful. When I work that category, I determine how to fix it; usually that's done with only an edit or two – it's an unusual case where I end up making as many as 36 edits to correct a navigation structure that's so badly munged. LB helps explain how it got that way. This was just the beginning of my involvement in this topic area to date. A couple days later, in respose to #Talk:AR-15 (disambiguation), I made 7 more edits. Then a comment that basically wrapped up an AN/I incident.

All of this participation is time-consuming. I'm not exactly happy with the status quo, there seems a strong case that AR-15 has become a genericized trademark, and that "modern sporting rifle" is an invented term designed to forestall that genericization. So LB shouldn't take my edits as an endorsement of the status quo. I'm keeping this on my back burner. wbm1058 (talk) 02:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I have re-copied your prior comment supporting or opposing the move of Modern sporting rifle to AR-15 style rifle to a new Requested Move section here: Talk:Modern sporting rifle#Requested move 22 February 2018.

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OK,  Fixed. The thanks I get for this edit. On my to-do list is developing a Spell bot to flag these misspellings in real time by monitoring the recent changes. wbm1058 (talk) 14:21, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

...please don't give up on us, yet. 😞 I know you're busy, and I'm not expecting you to devote a whole lot of time to this project, but your input is highly beneficial and I was hoping you would keep helping us work through some of the kinks when you can, especially regarding admin factors we know little to nothing about. What we're hoping to accomplish will focus primarily on clarification and consistency in our WP:Blocking policy with the ultimate goal being editor retention. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wbm, hope you're doing well. I noticed you declined the move I had requested. I have initiated a discussion at Talk:Synchronised_swimming#Making Artistic swimming the primary article for any opposes to the proposed move. I shall contact you again in a week or so if there's no opposition. Warmly, Lourdes 03:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I tried putting it after the first paragraph. That seems to be the best look. Free-roaming horse management in North America Lynn (SLW) (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I think someone searching for info on Fort Pillow is much more likely to be seeking info on the battle, not the state park. deisenbe (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've put this up for discussion at WP:RfD. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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On behalf of the Ohio Wikimedians User Group, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 09:15, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wbm1058, thanks for the clean-up. I noticed on your talk page that you made note of the apparent fact that 57% of Canadians aged 24 to xx have a college degree, while 40% of similarly aged Americans do. You might be interested in a recent book by Bryan Caplan The Case against Education Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money [2] who argues that the US would be better off if the 40% were 20%. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 19:29, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Acad Ronin: I watched this interview with the author on CSPAN, though I confess to falling asleep halfway through it and not being sufficiently motivated to replay the part I missed when I woke up. He makes some good, albeit basic, points. I think his own economics courses are probably boring and a waste of time and money for many of his students! Regarding "Government needs to sharply cut education funding to curb this wasteful rat race", the first thing I would do is eliminate the exemption of student loans from ordinary bankruptcy rules. Government is subsidizing the bankers by allowing them to offload the risk of loan defaults onto the students. Without this government-backed "loan-default insurance" the wellspring of loans will dry up significantly, and when it does, the schools will be forced to reduce tuition because of the lack of students available who can pay inflated prices. Regarding "more vocational education, because practical skills are more socially valuable", I agree, more practical education and less theory. With the increasing rate of change in technology, practical education has a shorter and shorter shelf life, so the need for mid-career re-education in the latest practical skills is increasing. But we should still be endeavoring to increase the percentage of students who get quality practical training, not decrease it. Vocational education isn't just about learning to be a plumber or electrician though. Legal and medical research is a practical skill too, and the bots are coming after the lawyers' and doctors' jobs too. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely agree with you. I teach part-time in an US "Ivy League" school, and long ago had some exposure to the products of the Swiss apprenticeship system. I would like to see much more use in the US of apprenticeships, and far less of Liberal Arts. Most of my students would be much better off working rather than sitting in classes they have no interest in just to get the credential, which they need because the people they are competing with have the credential. That part of schooling is just a Prisoner's Dilemma. And there is no need for doctors or lawyers to have an undergrad degree. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 14:51, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Acad Ronin: The 42-minute Canadian documentary Generation Jobless set me straight on the idea that Canada has got this any better than the USA, and also made a plug for the Swiss system. wbm1058 (talk) 14:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Wbm1058: - now if we can just convince more people of this. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add to the confusion: Gillespie, Angus Kress (2011), Crossing Under the Hudson: The Story of the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels, Rutgers University Press, ISBN 9780813550831, The avenue has two numbers and two spellings. It's numbered Routes 1 and 9 and is spelled Tonnelle Avenue in North Bergen but Tonele Avenue in Jersey City. The road is named for the first chairman of the North Jersey District Water Supply Commission, John Tonnelle or Tonele. He spelled it both ways himself, leading to everlasting typographical confusion ... Djflem (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Djflem, right, I hesitated to correct more of these linked "misspellings" when I saw the different spelling used in the train station articles, e.g. Tonnelle Avenue (HBLR station). Then I stopped after I read the Times article "ROAD AND RAIL; Lipstick On a Pig". I was waiting for possible responses just like yours, thanks. This reminds me of another guy who seems to have spelled his name differently at different times, Henry S. Parmelee (or Henry S. Parmalee, or Harry?! see the talk page). Regards, wbm1058 (talk) 13:36, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your undoing of my edit here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dypsis_lutescens&oldid=prev&diff=834449271

1. "Areca" palm is a common name for several species of palm. While it's the first "hit" on Google for "Dysis lutescens", it is used in the Philippines as an alternative name for the "Betel" palm. Given that the same word can lead to two completely different species, a disambiguation of some sort is needed, whether a "redirect" or not.

2. Rather than "undo", why not "fix" the issue? If you're good at the tech side of Wikipedia, please consider repairing the issue rather than undoing it. Because at the end of the day, I identified a problem that needs a solution and I applied a solution. But then you undid it, so now what?Ryoung122 21:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ryoung122: Areca catechu is one of the species in the genus Areca. I reverted your hatnote because it wasn't telling the truth. Areca palm does not redirect to Dypsis lutescens; rather Areca palm is a "set index article" that indicates the term could mean one of two things – this is "a disambiguation of some sort". I see that there is another article about Betel. So I don't see anything that obviously needs fixing, but neither am I an expert in this area. If you still see something that still needs fixing or clarification please feel free to make changes. I'll only revert if you make edits that land pages into problem categories that I patrol for. wbm1058 (talk) 11:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is about "verifiability", not "truth". And my statement was "truthful" to the best of my knowledge.

Moving on to the real issue here: the vernacular meaning of "areca", a common name for several different palm species, leads to confusion...thus the need for disambiguation. I'm proposing that the most-common hit result on Google (dypsis lutescens) be the default return and that disambiguations be given for other species that also are sometimes referred to by the same name.

I know a lot about palms...it's the Wiki-redirecting system that I'm not as familiar with.Ryoung122 17:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ryoung122: Just noting that there are separate "disambiguation" pages for both "Areca (disambiguation)" and "Areca palm", and it's not clear to me which one you're concerned about (perhaps both?). At the moment, the genus Areca is the primary topic for "Areca", but there is no primary topic for "Areca palm". There is a previous discussion on Talk:Areca about whether the genus should be the primary topic for "Areca". I don't know much of anything about palms, so a one-on-one discussion with me isn't the best way to resolve your concerns. I suggest you could start a new discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants which would hopefully draw in others with more knowledge of this subject matter. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. I added a third disambiguation link to the areca palm page. I'll discuss this further on the WikiProject plants section.Ryoung122 18:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just an FYI, List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes is now broken as the Simpsons was. I'm not looking forward to fixing this one. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:37, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AussieLegend: also List of Doctors episodes, List of Kalyeserye episodes and List of The Nature of Things episodes. wbm1058 (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry about my change to {{age in days}} breaking articles using {{uspop}}. Thanks for reverting. I monitored various things but did not look at Category:ParserFunction errors which would have shown the problem. The issue was that the old template accepts weird combinations of syntax and {{uspop}} contains

{{Age in days|{{Uspop-startyear}}|{{Uspop-startmonth}}|day1=1 }}

which, using the current values of {{Uspop-startyear}} and {{Uspop-startmonth}}, is equivalent to:

{{Age in days|2013|12|day1=1 }}

In other words, year and month are given as positional parameters, but the day uses a named parameter. Using the module, the fix is to omit day1= (or insert year1= and month1=). I intend trying that soon but I will first attempt to see where {{age in days}} is used in templates to determine if others would need similar fixes. Johnuniq (talk) 01:06, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update, Johnuniq. It's only once in a blue moon that I patrol Category:ParserFunction errors, so just a happy coincidence that I found and reverted your change within a few hours. I was doing a periodic review and archiving of old sections on this talk page, when I got to this one which prompted me to check the category. Otherwise it could have been another month or two before I patrolled that category again. I trust that you can fix it. While I can muddle around with Lua modules, I haven't yet taken time to become proficient with coding them. P.S. I assume that an editor used similar non-standard syntax in these Croatia-related articles that you patched and I reverted as well. wbm1058 (talk) 16:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good! I changed {{age in days}} to use the module again and will track parser problems for a few days at least. Johnuniq (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - SNUGGUMS moved page Ringo to Ringo (disambiguation) over redirect. Should this page be watched? Evnoweb (talk) 05:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've opened a requested move discussion on Talk:Ringo (disambiguation). You are invited to participate in that. wbm1058 (talk) 12:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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On behalf of the Ohio Wikimedians User Group, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:49, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I do not know so much about Korean name-spelling. But one of these two redirects Kim Seok-Jin[3] and Kim Seok-jin[4] should have {{R from member}} and one of them {{R from typo}}. Unless both ways to write Jin/jin is allowed. The "Jin" redirect was the name of the article and I guessed that was the right way to spell his name... Christian75 (talk) 17:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Christian75, see Talk:Kim Seok-Jin#Requested move 10 February 2018 and the section above that. wbm1058 (talk) 17:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I haven't created the article yet as (1) I still need to corroborate some of the information I do have on them.(2) The creation of new articles is not something I have any experience with and someone may challenge its very existence...which brings me back to point (1). Researching more on them, so I can defend the note-worthyness. WP:NOTABLE.

UPDATE. Alright, I got around to creating a short article...hope it gets accepted. It'll remain a redlink until then. Boundarylayer (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boundarylayer, I just created the redirect Terufumi Sasaki to Hiroshima (book). Your draft doesn't say much more than what the Hiroshima (book) article does, and if he is only notable via mention in that one book, then I suspect your stand-alone article wouldn't stick, but the redirect will. See WP:BLP1E. – wbm1058 (talk) 00:28, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you undo that redirect please? I have a lot of material on him that has nothing to do with that book. How can I add this material with the re-direct you've created?

Terufumi Sasaki led intensive research into the syndrome in the weeks and months following the Hiroshima bombings. Dr Sasaki and his team were able to monitor the effects of radiation in patients of varying proximities to the blast itself, leading to the establishment of three recorded stages of the syndrome. Within 25–30 days of the explosion, the Red Cross surgeon noticed a sharp drop in white blood cell count and established this drop, along with symptoms of fever, as prognostic standards for Acute Radiation Syndrome.^[1]

Boundarylayer (talk) 18:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]