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After more than 6 months of availability in the United States, Stack Overflow Jobs, powered by Indeed, is expanding to several new geographic regions in Europe. As part of the next iteration of this experiment, the job site will be available in Germany, France, the United Kingdom, and the Netherlands sometime in January (we will update this post once those launch, so stay tuned).

As we said in an earlier post about Stack Overflow Jobs, “our goal is to create a job site experience that developers and other technical job seekers love.” We are still in the early stages of proving the effectiveness and sustainability of the model we used to launch this job site, but we feel confident that we are moving in the right direction to help more technical job seekers, in more places.

In the US alone, there is an average of 15,000 - 25,000 total tech jobs for developers to explore on the job site on any given day. Since the launch on May 8, 2024, over 6,500 job applications have been started from Stack Overflow Jobs.

Over the last seven months since the launch, we’ve also worked together with Indeed to make several updates to improve the quality and relevance of jobs listed, as well as the site design and functionality. You can read more about those updates in this post.

Now that we have begun to expand beyond our initial test, in January we will be removing the Jobs link from appearing under the “Labs” section in the left navigation for users in countries where the job site is not yet available. We want to prevent users from having the frustrating experience of clicking the link and finding the job site is not accessible to them. However, we do still hope to continue expanding to more countries across the globe in the future, and will update the community when more information becomes available.

How it works

The experience in the new geographic regions will be the same as it is today for users in the US. It will still be hosted on its own domain (stackoverflowjobs.com), linked from the left navigation on Stack Overflow and technical Stack Exchange sites (the same group of sites where you see ‘Companies’ in the left navigation, though to be clear ‘Companies’ and ‘Jobs’ remain separate features). The only difference in the experience is that if you are located in Germany, France, or the Netherlands, some job listings will be posted in that country’s primary language, depending on what language the employer chose to use when writing the posting.

Use keyword searches to find technical jobs that are a great fit for your interests and experience. In order to apply for a job, hit the “apply” button and you will be redirected to the posting on Indeed, where you can submit your application. No personal data about users is shared between Stack Overflow and Indeed.

As always, we routinely take measures to ensure that the listings that populate Stack Overflow Jobs are high quality and highly relevant to the Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange technical community. In the event that something off-topic slips through the cracks, we want to get it corrected as soon as possible. See the help center article here with more information.

We appreciate the feedback and feature requests we have received from community members regarding how we can improve the search experience on Stack Overflow Jobs. We will continue to consider these, as well as any new ones we receive, as we monitor the success of the expansion and consider the next phases of this experiment. We believe that by combining the unique strengths of Stack Overflow, including our dedication to the developer community, and Indeed’s volume of quality tech jobs, we can help more developers and other technical job seekers find their next great opportunity, now in a few more corners of the globe.

Feedback

Do you have any feedback about your experience on Stack Overflow Jobs (in the United States) that isn’t captured in the original post?

Where else in the world would you like to see Stack Overflow Jobs expand? We can’t make any guarantees, but we would love to serve technical job seekers in more regions in the future.

What features would make you most excited to use Stack Overflow Jobs to search for a new opportunity (if it became available in your region)?

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    Don't forget your South American colleagues. Especially your Brazilian colleagues. Commented 2 days ago
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    Yes I have feedback, this is useless, bring back SO Careers with the developer CV and the flexible ways to find TOP PROGRAMMING TALENT.
    – JonH
    Commented 2 days ago
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    Powered by indeed, no thanks.
    – Sinatr
    Commented yesterday

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I don't see any reason to use this instead of a real job portal. Features are just far too limited and unlike the original SO job portal there is no developer-specific functionality here. Even basics for developers like filtering by programming languages doesn't work well, the search does not understand that C# is not the same as C or C++.

Other basics that are missing are filtering by radius around a specific city. Location selection is bad in general, it also already assumes I'm in Germany and I can't search for jobs in other countries. And all this is stuff I found by clicking around for a minute or so on the site.

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    Yes, the location search is weird. I live in a mid-sized city in Baden-Württemberg. On the first page, a job in Berlin was ranked above one in Stuttgart, same job title, and on the second page, the closest one was in Hamburg. You can select some cities in other countries (Basel and Strasburg worked for me) but not others (Zürich or Bregenz or Weißenburg or Luxembourg). Of course, a search in Strasbourg turns up the same jobs as a search in Kehl - but with the top result in Celle. For anybody who knows German geography, this is a setup for a comedy routine, with a causa belli thrown in.
    – rumtscho
    Commented 2 days ago
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    It could be made relevant to SO specifically if there was candidate matching between tags used by the add and SO profiles active in those tags, who've opted in to see job ads. This was the main problem with the old Jobs. The old site frequently proposed that I, living in Stockholm, Sweden for example should move to Munich, Germany and apply for a Java programmer job, a tag that I have neither interest in nor any noteworthy competence about. If this site has the same problem understanding tags as the old one, this one is doomed as well.
    – Lundin
    Commented 2 days ago
  • I tried (as a test) searching for jobs in Austin,TX and every search result completely ignored the location to suggest france-located results (I'm in France indeed). Commented yesterday
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    @RomainValeri Only the auto-completed locations work at all, everything else is silently ignored. Which is of course a terrible and thoroughly confusing user experience. Commented yesterday
  • @MadScientist OK, makes (more) sense in a way. But only french locations pop up in autocomplete for my France-based browser. Oh, dear. Commented yesterday
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    It's impressive, yet wholly unsurprising, that Stack Exchange Inc. was able to implement a basic feature like "search by location" in a way that is completely and utterly broken.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented yesterday
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Job-posting quality, revisited

Okay, last time I tried this, the jobs were (probably) fake. You mention "several updates to improve the quality and relevance of jobs listed", so let's give it another try and see if the quality has improved.

I'm an Android developer. I live and work in the San Francisco Bay Area (which was the auto-suggested result when I started typing "San Francisco", so I'm going with that). This is a common tech job in an area well known for tech jobs, so a search for "Android" in that area should be pretty much the best case for this. And we'll look at the first result, since it should be showing the best results first. In other words, I don't think I'm cherry-picking here.

Here's an overview in image form (note: I've cropped out the recruiter's name and email from the bottom, but this is otherwise the entire job posting).

tl;dr: It is, in fact, better, but the quality is still lacking.

Is this job remote or not?

A job description showing both "San Francisco" and "Location: Remote"

It claims to be both "Remote" and in San Francisco. Given that there are only two input boxes in the job search, they should really ... well, actually work. It's not just this one; another posting claims that "Our team is 100% remote", and then on the very next line says "San Francisco | Hybrid (3 days on-site)".

Does this "Android Developer" role include iOS development?

A job description asking "What are we looking for in our Android Developer?" and listing responsibilities including "Build new features and capabilities on iOS and Android."

Despite the title, the role's responsibilities include "Build new features and capabilities on iOS and Android." While it's possible they have a cross-platform app, the inclusion of Swift/SwiftUI (an iOS-only framework with no cross-platform capabilities at all) in the qualifications suggests otherwise. It's not clear if they just copy-pasted a generic "mobile developer" ad into an "Android developer" role, or if they really want someone to do both.

At what company would a prospective candidate be working, and in what form?

The job is listed as being a contract job for Russell Tobin (a recruiting/staffing firm), but many of the responsibilities discussed sound like something that a full-time engineer at Airbnb would be doing:

Responsibilities:

  • Build relationships across the Airbnb technology teams to bring world-class principles and patterns into our work.

  • Represent unique product needs to our technology partners.

  • Build new features and capabilities on iOS and Android.

  • Participate in all phases of software development including architecture/design, implementation and testing.

  • Provide guidance to newer native mobile developers across the company Identify opportunities for improving our native mobile experience.

  • Advocate for and work on various projects to elevate the native mobile experience for Airbnb.org users.

Is this a contract-to-hire role? Fixed-term contract? Something else? I have no idea. Given that the next call-to-action is "Apply", this seems like a question that needs to be answered by the job posting in order for candidates to understand whether they would be interested or not.

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    Incidentally, if anyone at Stack Overflow is looking for better use-cases for generative AI in their products, ChatGPT spotted every single one of these issues (plus one more that I don't think is really an issue, but I spent maybe 5-10 minutes on this, with only one iteration after my first attempt; I'm sure an actual project to develop this could do somewhat better than this)
    – Ryan M
    Commented yesterday
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    "It claims to be both "Remote" and in San Francisco." Everybody knows that a remote job offering requires you to be willing to relocate to San Francisco.
    – E_net4
    Commented yesterday
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    TL;DR the Indeed offering is crap, which should not be a surprise for anyone who pays attention. But I guess Indeed pays enough money for SO to ignore pesky things like content quality...
    – l4mpi
    Commented yesterday
  • Does this technically violate the ToS against posting AI-generated answers? :p
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented yesterday
  • @IanKemp I actually wrote it before I had the idea to feed it to ChatGPT to see if it could find the issues. I had joked in chat afterward that I should've had ChatGPT save me the trouble of finding and writing them up myself...
    – Ryan M
    Commented 12 hours ago

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