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== Translating taxonomic ranks into local languages. ==

Apparently adding {{}} around a taxon rank enabled it to be translated as an example see [https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Mentheae&action=edit here] I am not familiar with this procedure. Can somebody confirm that it is suitable and works. In the example does the  use of <nowiki>{{Tribus}}</nowiki> affect all occurrences of the word Tribus or just in the template? However, more importantly, do we want and/or need this on WS? I understand that we use Latin names for taxonomic ranks precisely because this is local language independent. Persoanlly I think it renders the site less scientific in look and feel if these taxonomic ranks appear not in the Latin but in the local language. This is just my opinion and so I wish to open this up to wider discussion seeking consensus and guidance. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 14:30, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
== Links to Wikipedia ==

I'm a newcomer to Wikispecies, having mainly been editing Wikiquote in the past. I've noticed that most articles here do not include a link to Wikipedia. This is contrary to the standard practice on Wikiquote. Does Wikispecies have an official policy regarding Wikipedia links, or is it just a matter of habit? (By "link to Wikipedia" I am referring to this; {{Wikipedia}} [[User:Just A Regular New Yorker|Just A Regular New Yorker]] ([[User talk:Just A Regular New Yorker|talk]]) 01:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
: Welcome here. I am not sure I understand what you mean, but all the articles are linked to ALL the Wikipedias where the same article exists, through Wikidata. For example see [[Tyrannidae]] linked to more than 30 other wikis. --[[User:Hector Bottai|Hector Bottai]] ([[User talk:Hector Bottai|talk]]) 02:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:: {{Ping|Just A Regular New Yorker}} Hector Bottai is correct: links to available, equivalent pages on ''all'' language versions of Wikipedia can be found in the left-hand side menu section called "In Wikipedia". (You will also find those links here at the Village Pump: simply look to the left :) This is way better than using the {{Tl|Wikipedia}} template, which is language specific and always only links to the English version of Wikipedia. Best regards, [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 16:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC).
== Vernon Antoine Brou Jr. ==

We need to merge [[Vernon Antoine Brou]] and [[Vernon Antoine Brou Jr.]], and to do the same for the associated categories. Which form of name is preferred on Wikispecies - with or without the suffix? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:28, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:There's even a third page: [[Vernon Antoine Brou Jr]] (not ending with a full stop). Their Wikidata equivalents are [[:wikidata:Q21339609|Q21339609]] ("Vernon Antoine Brou"), [[:wikidata:Q25796389|Q25796389]] ("Vernon Antoine Brou Jr.") and [[:wikidata:Q21394286|Q21394286]] ("Vernon Antoine Brou Jr"). The form without "Jr." is preferred by BHL with a 9:1 ratio. Regardless of that I recommend we stick with the "Jr." form in order to lessen the risk for Wikidata mixups in the case there is a future Wikimedia page created about his father, U.S. Navy veteran Vernon Antoine Brou. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 17:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC).
::Thanks. I've made the merges, here and on Wikidata. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I've added the publications + authored taxa that were listed on the now deleted pages, to the remaining main page [[Vernon Antoine Brou Jr.]] –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 19:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC).
== Template  help collapsible citation ==

Heya everyone,

been making this template: [[Template:Thomson etal 2018]] which is a rather large authorship paper, 184 authors, hence I was hoping to make it appear as a citation the way the journal has recommended [http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2005075 here], that is:</br>
*Thomson SA, Pyle RL, Ahyong ST, Alonso-Zarazaga M, Ammirati J, Araya JF, et al. (2018) Taxonomy based on science is necessary for global conservation. PLoS Biol 16(3): e2005075. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pbio.2005075
However I am hoping to have the template also permit people to see al the authors since many of them are taxonomic authorities and hence have pages here. Hence why I am slowly editing this template I am linking all authors to their respective pages. Any suggestions on how to make it look like above with some sort of internal link that will show all authors would be helpful, on ResearchGate [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323759388_Taxonomy_based_on_science_is_necessary_for_global_conservation/comments?focusedCommentId=5aad4f954cde266d58920871&sldffc=0 here] it has a link in the author list, short form, that says show all 184 authors allowing it to expand for those interested. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

{{Od}}
Done, in {{diff|Template:Thomson etal 2018|3662673|3662669|this edit}}. The template now renders as:

{{Thomson et al., 2018}}

but all names are shown on the template page. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:Also, moved to {{Tl|Thomson et al., 2018}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:16, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:And now in Wikidata, too: {{Q|50702912}}. Interestingly, only three of the authors seem to have included the paper (or, at least, its DOI) in their ORCID profiles. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
== Jesus Romero Napoles taxa ==

An IP manually added a list of taxa to [[Jesus Romero Napoles]]. I've moved them to the article's talk page, in case anyone is interested in working on them. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 00:10, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
== Promoting Microbiology ==

Hello Wikispecies authors, </br>
I'm trying to add a bit information on pages dealing with Bacteria or other Prokaryotes (or taxon authors). Some of you already helped me with understanding how templates work, thank you again. [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] created a template to format subspecies of Bacteria, because their taxonomy deviates from Plantae or Animalia. I added the information about the template already here: [[:Templates#Taxon formatting templates]] and [[:Help:Taxonavigation section#Templates for taxonavigation]]. Now I would like to add the ''International Code of Nomenclature of Prokaryotes'' (Manuscript Draft) respectively the ''International Code of Nomenclature of Bacteria'' to [[Help:General Wikispecies#Formatting rules]], but thought that I should ask beforehand. </br>
Kind regards, --[[User:A doubt|A doubt]] ([[User talk:A doubt|talk]]) 22:45, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
: Yes, this addition would be fine and thanks for your efforts in promoting this otherwise WS neglected section of Prokaryota. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 15:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

== Annals of the Transvaal Museum ==

There's a [[:en:w:Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Annals of the Transvaal Museum]] request on en.Wikipedia:

{{Quote|Looking for: Roberts, A. (1946). Descriptions of numerous new subspecies of mammals. Annals of the Transvaal Museum, 20(4), 303-328.

This would be helpful to expand the article I just created on the Damara horseshoe bat, as Roberts is the one who initially described it.}}

Please reply there if you can help. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:11, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

:Try [[ISSN 0041-1752|Annals of the Transvaal Museum]]. Older volumes might be challenging to find. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 19:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
== Category:Extinct or fossil species ==

I used this category for the first time. Doesn't look to me appropriate or at least, useful, to join under the same category a fossil extint millions of years ago with a known, described species, recently extint. There are only 110 pages under the category and should not be very difficult to split. But this is only my opinion. --[[User:Hector Bottai|Hector Bottai]] ([[User talk:Hector Bottai|talk]]) 23:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:The whole system with categories such as  "[[:Category:Extinct or fossil species]]" and "[[:Category:Fossil species]]" etc is rather messy. We also have a [[:Category:Fossil taxa]] which together with its sub-categories (including [[:Category:Taxa by geologic formations]]...) is very big, and perhaps not very useful? And then of course we have [[:Category:Extant species]] to "match" the extinct taxa. In my opinion all of [[:Category:Name status categories]] and its sub-categories needs to be cleaned up. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 23:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC).
::If people wish to use these categories they need to come to a consensus on what they mean. Technically fossil species is a subset of both extinct species and extant species, it is rarer in extant, but one example is ''[[Elseya lavarackorum]]''. All it means is the taxon exists in the fossil record. It may still be living, or not. Extinct species is usually split into 3 subgroups in science. Recent Extinct, since 1600 A.D.; Historically Extinct, extinct during the rise of our species ie basically during the Holocene, and prehistorically extinct, extinct before the Holocene, and hence before our species. As I said before anyone can utilise these I suggest deciding how to use them, otherwise its just a mess. IUCN has refs on this. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 11:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
== Cross symbol ==

On a couple of occasions recently, I've seen this symbol: "†" used to annotate a taxon name. No explanation was given. What (if anything) does it mean? It's problematic, not only because of the obscure meaning, but because it cannot be searched for. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:23, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:Really is dagger symbol. For taxa, meaning is extinct. When used for taxon authors, they are deceased. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 00:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::Yes it is a symbol that is known by the specialists contributing here and those interested in our topics. Please do not delete. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 07:28, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Our audience is not just "specialists", much less only those "contributing here". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:58, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::In that case, they should be replaced by {{tl|Extinct}} ({{Extinct}}; which I have just updated to use HTML's <code><nowiki><abbr></nowiki></code> element) or {{tl|Deceased}} ({{Deceased}}; which I have just created), as appropriate, for reasons of accessibility. I suggest we also consider using categories for reasons of searchability. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:58, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:::The dagger symbol has been used to denote extinct taxa for over 100 years, in everything from general information books to specialist literature. So I personally see no issue with it and it is considered correct notation. Out of curiosity why did you update the current template? It already presented the work extinct upon hover. Cheers, [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:45, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::::never mind the last I see what you did, replaced span with abbr, updated the coding, fair enough. Cheers, [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:49, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::One difference is that the <code>&#60;abbr></code> tag underlines the abbreviations (or in this case the dagger symbol), making users aware that hovering will present additional information. In most browsers the <code>&#60;span&nbsp;title...></code> method used by you will not. From an aesthetic point of view I find the underscore a bit less pleasant, but it serves well as a heads up about the hovering. Both methods are fully supported by the HTML5 standard, so no issue there. (As a comparison, the similar <code>&#60;acronym></code> tag is ''not'' officially supported by the latest flavours of HTML.) [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 23:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC).

== Validity disputed ==

We have just two entries in [[:Category:Validity disputed]]:

* [[Canoidea]]
* [[Feloidea]]

Both are Ordo: Therapsida, and were created by a long-absent user in 2006, and were tagged as disputed by [[User:Lycaon]] (who hasn't edited for over 12 months) in the same year. In neither case was the recommended discussion started on their talk pages. Can anyone suggest what should be done with them? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:These two taxa were accepted as valid about 30 years ago. This was attempt to subdivide Order [[Carnivora]] at that time. Taxonomy seems to have moved on, and I don't know if anyone still accepts them. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 00:38, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:: These two "disputed names" are suborder synonyms: [[Canoidea]] is a synonym of [[Caniformia]] and [[Feloidea]] is a synonym of [[Feliformia]]. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 08:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Both items have now been redirected. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

{{section resolved|1=<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)}}

== Turtle ID ==

Did I identify [[:File:Red-eared slider × yellow-bellied slider on a rock.jpg]] correctly? I'd like to know before adding the picture to the Wikipedia article. I had asked Faendalimas but think he missed it or doesn't know. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 16:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
:I saw your message last night and had a brief look, just have not had time to reply. hybrids are difficult to identify. I need some info about the animal, ie, is it wild caught, or captive, exactly where it was found. If you have one a photo of the plastron, belly,. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 12:05, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::She (I am told its a she) was born in captivity and currently living in a paludarium. The current owner doesn't really know anything about it and got it from the previous owner when it was very young. The previous owner didn't know much either. She lives with a male turtle that is (afaik) a yellow-bellied slider. I won't put the photo of the hybrid belly on Commons because the quality is poor, but you can see it here: https://imgur.com/a/51CM9. [[User:Alexis Jazz|Alexis Jazz]] ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]]) 13:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Heya, thanks, yes there was no need to put the plastron phot on commons I just needed to see it. I agree this is ''T. s. scripta x T. s. elegans'' based on what I can see. That is yellow belly slider crossed with red ear slider. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
== Navigation popups ==

In my work on our sister projects, I find the [[:en:Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups|Navigation popups]] gadget immensely useful.

I would like to have it enabled here, and make it an option for all users, according to the steps at [[:en:Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/FAQ#Using the script on other wikis]]. Can someone assist, please? I think we may need a bureaucrat. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 18:51, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
: I've added the necessary <code lang="javascript">importScriptURI ''etc…''</code> code string to the [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] file, in order to import the "popups.js" JavaScript we need. Unfortunately I don't have access to the "LocalSettings.php" file on the Wikispecies server, hence can't add the necessary two lines of code needed to enable the "User Style" setting for the script. (See [[:mw:Manual:LocalSettings.php|Manual:LocalSettings.php]] on MediaWiki for details.) The same is true when I try to enable the "short URLs" setting, since I have no access to our Apache server either. (See MediaWiki [[:mw:Manual:Short URL|Manual:Short URL]]). All of this is of course possible to fix, but atm I don't know how. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 14:57, 1 April 2018 (UTC).
== Unsafe scripts ==

Why is my browser reporting WS trying to load scripts from unsafe sources? Is this a concern or just my browser having a hissy fit? [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 20:51, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
: First of all, emptying your web server's cache- and cookie files may help, and then please restart your computer. If the problem persist, does this happen when you visit ''any'' Wikispecies page, or just some specific pages? Hopefully the latter. If that's the case, my guess is that some of the public TLS- and/or SSL identity key certificates used by the Wikimedia servers are no longer valid. These encryption certificates adds an extra layer of security by helping your web browser verify the true identity of the recipient server, thus protecting against [[:w:Man-in-the-middle attack|man-in-the-middle attacks]] and other threats. This is signified by the "s" in <code>http'''s'''://</code> (i.e. "HTTP Secure") at the beginning of every Wikimedia web page address.

: These certificates are issued by external certification authority companies (e.g. Verisign, Thawte, Symantec). They are only valid for a fixed period of time&nbsp;– often a year&nbsp;– just like any other identity document such as an ID card, passport, or driver's license. All modern web browsers warn if you try to enter a page that uses an expired certificate. Valid certificates does of course not render a warning, and for most browsers neither will you receive a warning if the server doesn't use any identity key certificate at all (in other words when the address starts with <code>http://</code> without the "s").

: Different parts of Wikimedia uses different security certificates, with different levels of security and expiration times (depending on need/price and when they were issued). Can you please give an example of a Wikispecies page which renders you the warning, so I can check the validity of the certificate and if necessary contact the Wikimedia tech guys for an update? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 11:58, 2 April 2018 (UTC).

::Its all pages including this one. However, there is no alert on Commons, Wdata or WP. I have cleared cache etc. as suggested and it is still occurring. I am using Chrome and the alert shows at the top right of the page by a half full shield next to the Bookmark star. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Metophiurida ==

[[Metophiurida]] (infraclass of [[Ophiuroidea]]) has 79 inbound links; our most-linked taxon page that does not yet exist. Can someone make it, please? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
::Done [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 23:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
== Most missed articles ==

[[Wikispecies:Most missed articles]] was compiled in 2008. Does anyone have the means to update it, please? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:58, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
: I can look in to it during the Easter holidays. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 11:09, 28 March 2018 (UTC).
:: Many are vernacular names, and wikispecies don't have the habit to create redirects of the vernacular names; is wright? so lion and others redirects created should be delete, or not ?! [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 13:01, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::They cost nothing, and are clearly pages that people are looking for here. Why would we not assist our users to find the correct page? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:46, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: So we need create pages in all the languages?! And this will cost a lot. Vernaculars are not the scope in WS (my opinion). [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 18:28, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Where do you get that idea from? It's got nothing to do with what I wrote. We are discussing [[Wikispecies:Most missed articles]] which is - as clearly stated at the top of that page - a list of (my emphasis) "'''''Most often requested''''' nonexistent articles per day ". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::From [[lion]], [[cat]], [[bearded dragon]], [[yak]], [[grizzly bear]]. Why created those redirects? all present in "most missed articles" [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 19:53, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::You've just answered your own question. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 23:21, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Vernacular names are a minefield. There isn't a one-to-one relationship between vernacular names and taxa. Why have "cat" redirect to ''[[Felis]]'' and not ''[[Felis silvestris catus]]'' or [[Felidae]]? People searching for cat almost certainly want the domesticated subspecies, and if they do have a broader concept in mind, it's more likely the family than the genus. [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] ([[User talk:Plantdrew|talk]]) 14:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I think that vernacular names are a bit of fluff, like pictures and most definitely not essential information on a taxon page. As Plantdrew says - a minefield. However, If they are over represented on "most missed articles" then it is another good reason for just getting rid of vernacular names. The information belongs quite rightly on WP and WD and so can be viewed on their links. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 14:41, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::How do you propose to "get rid of" vernacular names from "most missed articles"? How would you propose to redirect someone searching Wikispecies for "cat" (or more importantly, a term that exists in more than one language) to a particular Wikipedia article? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:27, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Where a "most missed article" term applies to more than one taxon, especially of different ranks, it makes sense to direct users to the highest rank in the hierarchy. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:27, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
{{outdent}}I agree the vernacular names are not what we do with any consistency, not are we meant to. I do not care that they are there but they should not be appearing here as they detract from identifying issues related to our actual purpose. Plus as stated they are a minefield, even within a singular language. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 11:34, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:What do you mean by "there" and "here"? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I do not mind that they are included on pages as additional information. However, they should not be showing up in special pages used to identify important missing items on this wiki. Since vernacular names are not part of taxonomy or nomenclature, are unstable by nature and generally not useful. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Tq|"special pages used to identify important missing items on this wiki"}} I think you're misunderstanding what the "Most missed articles" page is. I'm still not clear what you mean by "there" and "here", in your earlier post. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:06, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Vernacular names are garbage information and not relevant to a wiki on taxonomy and nomenclature. That clear enough for you? There is no constant usage for them, no reference of any value for this, no nomenclatural rules for their stability. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Clear, but not at all relevant to the point at hand. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:05, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::I am strongly opposing the idea to create any redirects from vernacular names to taxon pages. I will try to explain this on the example of the vernacular "biber". How would you know, if someone is searching for the German word "[[:de:Biber|Biber]]" or the Turkish word "[[:tr:biber|biber]]" or the Bosnian word "[[:bs:biber|biber]]"? Creating a certain redirect is prohibiting, that the rest of the people searching for a different meaning of the same sequence of letters will find, what they want. When such redirects do not exist, the search at least will result in a list of pages, where this vernacular is occurring. You may try the search with the word "biber" and at the first page of the results you get at least the German and the Turkish target. (No result for Bosnian so far.) --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 13:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I don't see "biber" on the list of Most missed articles; what makes you think it will appear there in the future? Also, Most missed articles is not a list of pages people have ''searched'' for, it is a list of pages they have tried to ''visit'', directly. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:55, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::I was not talking about this obscure list, but about the issue of redirects for vernacular names. Anyway, if the word "Trakulje" is on this list now, why not any other vernacular could happen to occur there sometimes in the future? --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 14:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

=== Here's some background information, for reference ===
The [[Wikispecies:Most missed articles]] list was created in November 2008, in Wikispecies namespace. It uses data from the three User subpages [[User:Melancholie/mmA]], [[User:Melancholie/mmA frame]], and [[User:Melancholie/mmA blacklist]]. They were created the same day or the day before, and of course all reside in User namespace. (Btw the [[Special:Contributions/Melancholie|user's latest contribution to Wikispecies was in August 2009]]. This is also true for the [[Special:UserRights/MelancholieBot|now inactive bot MelancholieBot]], run by the same user.)

The "Most missed articles" list was/is conducting its searches using [http://wikistics.falsikon.de/2008/wikimedia/species/wanted/ source code that were once found on this page,] on an external non-Wikimedia site. That particular URL is now dead, but was [https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://wikistics.falsikon.de/2008/wikimedia/species/wanted/ crawled and archived ''one time'' by the Wayback Machine.] (Click "March 6, 2016" in the calendar to see the archived page.) Furthermore information in the list tells us we should import [http://de.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:If-search.js&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=1&maxage=1 this JavaScript code last updated in 2011] from the German language version of Wiktionary into the Wikispecies' file [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] in the MediaWiki namespace. So in order for the list to work in the best way possible we rely on code from three Wikispecies' subpages of a User page, JavaScript from a dictionary Wiki sister project, and some now non-existing and therefore unreadable source code from a non-wiki page that isn't updated anymore? Surely this can't be the best way to maintain such a list..?

If we decide to keep the list (which as Andy Mabbett explains above may be a good idea) and update it in the future, I suggest we scrap the current version and start anew, using Wikispecies specific templates (e.g. not pages in User namespace) and fetch data from Wikidata and/or [https://tools.wmflabs.org Toolforge] (formerly "Wikimedia Tool Labs" i.e. "WMFlabs") plus [[:wikitech:Portal:Cloud VPS|Cloud VPS]] (formerly "Wikimedia Labs"). –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 13:37, 31 March 2018 (UTC).

:In its current format I would vote to delete it. Am open to suggestions but need convincing. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:43, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::Deleting the list would not make the issue go away; it would just keep us ignorant of it. I'm not seeing any advantage in that, to us or our users. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:55, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Category templates consensus please ==

A have noticed that some editors add <nowiki>[[Category:Taxonavigation templates]]</noinclude> + <includeonly>[[Category:Pages with taxonavigation templates]]</includeonly><noinclude></nowiki> to taxonavigation templates, whereas at least one editor deletes these categories. I have not yet seen an edit war, so that is encouraging. Firstly, what is the advantage of these bits of code? Do we need them? What are the reasons for deleting them? Finally if there is consensus to keep or delete can a bot do this semi-automatically?  Regards [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 12:10, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

:I'm ambivalent about the latter, but the former is useful (or, would be if widely applied). See, for example, [[:en:Wikipedia:PetScan]] for how categories can be utilised. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
::I am fairly neutral on this, though the second one I consider a bit of a waste of time, the first I am neutral. I do not see it as that useful here. Cheers, [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 11:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
::: I suppose the intent was to have each [[Wikispecies:Page types]] categorized to at least one category. I think, [[:Category:Taxonavigation templates]] could be useful. I do not know what was the purpose of [[:Category:Pages with taxonavigation templates]], just copied both categories from older taxonavigation templates to new ones. If the community decides not to use those categories, those entries should not be deleted manually, as [[:Category:Taxonavigation templates]] includes more than 67,000 entries. But I prefer to keep the first category (maybe a bot can add it to all taxonavigation templates). --[[User:Thiotrix|Thiotrix]] ([[User talk:Thiotrix|talk]]) 08:29, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Most of these categories were added in the course of a single bot action on 17th Jan 2017, without having discussed the issue before. A [[Wikispecies:Village_Pump/Archive_39#Taxonavigation_templates|discussion]] was started, after much of the action already had been completed. (Anyway, at that moment this kind of categorisation was not completed for all taxonavigation templates existing at that moment.) To me, the discussion was not convincing, that such categories would make any sense, and if something like this would be nice to have, that it should be done exactly this way. Therefore, I have remove manually some of these categories here and then in a number of taxonavigation templates.
::::OK, [[:Category:Taxonavigation templates]] might be useful, but [[:Category:Pages with taxonavigation templates]] probably is a waste of resources. And the fact, that this also places all the taxonavigation templates into the same category as the taxon pages, in my opinion, seems to be a somewhat dirty implementation of a spontaneous idea. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 11:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
== HELP ==

I accidentally messed up the page Brachypelma smithi trying to put the character ♀ into the caption after identifying the image as female, but now it just says a bunch of boogaloo in red! Plus, this page is on the front page! HELP HELP HELP I DON'T WANT TO BE A VANDAL HELP!!! [[User:GermanGamer77|GermanGamer77]] ([[User talk:GermanGamer77|talk]]) 20:21, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:I revert your editions, but you can revert yourself in "View history" section, when a mistake is made. Regards [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 20:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|GermanGamer77}} Danke for helping--you're not a vandal. I've fixed the caption now--the WikiWay works! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 20:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
== Non-standard taxon formatting ==

We have just 84 entries in [[:Category:Non-standard taxon formatting]]; most (but not all) relate to the work of [[Thomas Cavalier-Smith]]. Can we clean them up, between us, and so empty that category? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
== Translation ==

Could somebody create some articles on namespace "MediaWiki" as below:

*[[MediaWiki:References/ja]]: <code>脚注</code>
*[[MediaWiki:References/ko]]: <code>각주</code>
*[[MediaWiki:References/ko-kp]]: <code>각주</code>

Thanks. --[[User:Garam|Garam]] ([[User talk:Garam|talk]]) 18:24, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{done}}. Thanks! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 06:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
== Translation markup at Welcome templates ==

Could you please mark up those templates for the part as follows?
*[[Template:Welcome-belated]] 
*[[Template:Welcome-anon]] 
*fyi, <nowiki>[[Template:Welcome]]</nowiki> has no problem.
:Specifically, two sentences needs to be marked up. "<nowiki>If you have named a taxon, then it is likely that there is (or will be) a Wikispecies page about you, and other pages about your published papers. Please see our [[Special:MyLanguage/Wikispecies:Autobiography|advice and guidance for taxon authors]]</nowiki>"
Thank you! ----[[User:Omotecho|Omotecho]] ([[User talk:Omotecho|talk]]) 06:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
== Patronyms ==

[[:Category:Patronyms]] seems under-populated; should it be more widely used?

Also, should it not be "Category:Eponyms"? (And didn't we discuss that, recently?). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
: A patronym is just a subset of an eponym. It is not part of a taxonomy or classification, but if editors want to populate the category(s) it can be seen as harmless fun in the same way as a vernacular name or image. IMO anyway. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 11:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
== [[List of virus species]] ==

Can someone confirm if the bot [https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_virus_species&diff=3713698&oldid=3713226 is performing correctly]? It looks like it's trying to update links but ended up shifting the links to a different entry. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 03:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
== Temminck's: Nouveau recueil de planches coloriées d’oiseaux ==

[ Moved from [[Wikispecies talk:Village Pump]] ] 

Somebody can help me on how the order works on these references for [[Temminck]]. I can find the planche number reference in Zoonomen, but in the 5 volumes of ''Nouveau recueil de planches coloriées d’oiseaux'' accessed through BHL the planches are not in a logical order...and it would take a lot of time to find it manually searching the five volumes...Example: [https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/35245349 plate 2] is followed by [https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/35245353 plate 407] ???--[[User:Hector Bottai|Hector Bottai]] ([[User talk:Hector Bottai|talk]]) 17:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
: Hi {{ping|Hector Bottai}}! [http://repository.naturalis.nl/document/46425 Dickinson (2001)] may help. [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 17:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
== Circular redirect(s) ==

[[Eupatorium trapezoideum]]  , Where was this supposed to go? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Also - 
*[[Centaurea cheiranthifolia var. purpurascens]]
*[[Cyanus cheiranthifolius subsp. purpurascens]]
*[[Craspedia richea]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:34, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
: Done [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 10:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

== ON Wikisource... ==

This is probably rather old, [[s:Index:Icones muscorum.djvu]] but I wonder if it's of interest. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
== Lima (genus) ==

Would anyone like to rescue [[Lima (genus)]]? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:48, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:Yes. Very important bivalve genus. I need to find pertinent data, then shall do it. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 21:46, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
::WoRMS treatment here, in case this helps: http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=138125  Regards - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 23:15, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:::I got it rescued as bivalve. WoRMS entry was tremendous help there. There also appears to be some sort of plant involved, maybe one of our botanists can help with it. I edited [[Lima]] disambiguation page to include ''[[Lima (genus)]]''. There is still much more work, as Cretaceous-Tertiary Gulf Coast species are still missing. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 12:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
::::No Lima in Plantae according to my "exhaustive" genera database (a small number names of names still missing), http://www.irmng.org . Nearest I have is a ''Limia'' Vandelli, 1788 (Plantae-Lamiales) (synonym of ''Vitex'' L.) which could conceivably appear as a typo "Lima" somewhere, I don't know.
::::You may also find this GNA (Global Names Index) search useful (or depressing...): http://gni.globalnames.org/name_strings?search_term=gen%3ALima Regards - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 22:30, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
== Category:Accepted species name ==

[[:Category:Accepted species name]] has over 33K members, but is not used comprehensively. What is its purpose, and do we need it? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:In botany, unless stated otherwise, for example by using <nowiki>{{disputed}}</nowiki>, all taxon pages are "accepted" by a consensus, which ideally is featured in the Reference section. Therefore, this category is superfluous and can be deleted on mass, IMHO. Cheers [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::agreed, this is useless information and honestly a given on the basis that the name appears at all. Delete all. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:14, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Also agree--names are accepted until we know otherwise. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 17:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: Perhaps all [[:Category:Accepted names]] have the same problem and deserve to be deleted altogether. [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 17:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::::: Totally agree, I am sure they all are unused. Clutter or vanity project, me thinks. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 20:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
{{Outdent}}
Indeed. [[:Category:Accepted names]] and all of its subcategories are more or less pointless, and should be deleted. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 21:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC).
:I feel confident that this is consensus among many long-time users of the site and this is one of many pet projects of [[User:Stho002]]. I feel good about deletion. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:09, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
:I would be happy to remove these myself but note that we don't have <code>floodflag</code> on this wiki. How do we want to proceed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:11, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
::I think they may be mass deleted with [[Wikispecies:Huggle|Huggle]]. [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 00:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC) 
::'''EDIT: Sorry, I was wrong there of course''', this is not a question of mass delete, but category removal. removing that category from files should be  easy with [[Wikispecies:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]]? [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 00:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh sure, I'd be happy to do it. I'm just saying that it will clog up [[special:RecentChanges]]. If everyone is cool with that, I'll go for it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 01:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: Fine by me [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 07:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: What is the alternative? This is used if species etc. are valid. [[User:PeterR|PeterR]] ([[User talk:PeterR|talk]]) 09:08, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Names should be assumed to be valid unless we know otherwise. A disputed or invalid name would be noteworthy but correct, standard information is the norm. Why does this need to be categorized? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 17:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

{{ping|Koavf|Andyboorman}} I don't see why the rush to delete the [[:Category: Accepted species name]] before giving it the time for a proper discussion. I also can't understand why botanists should deem it unnecessary when clearly it is a zoology-category and is irrelevant for botany. I think this category is useful because it stands as a counterpart for [[:Category: Invalid species name]]. I consider this deletion improper and unproductive for WS. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 09:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Mariusm|Koavf}} I also never understood the need for [[:Category: Invalid species name]], please enlighten me, thanks. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 09:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:: What instantly looked like a clear case of a consensus, may actually not be so, and further discussions during at least a week may have foregone this action. I'm sure the category changes can be reverted, should there arise a large support of keeping this category. In either case, seems this case should be brought to the community's attention on a broader scale, so everyone can make their opinion heard? [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 09:28, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Andyboorman}} [[:Category: Invalid species name]] is VERY important because MANY invalid names have their own page and not merely a redirect. It is VERY important to indicate that these names are invalid. See for example ''[[Liogluta nigrobusta]]''. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 09:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Mariusm}} That does not really answer my question. To rephrase, what is it about ''[[Liogluta nigrobusta]]'' that qualifies it for its own taxon page? Why is it different from the synonyms under ''[[Cotula]]''? In other words do we need a category to deal with taxon pages that do not belong on WS? Cheers. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 10:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Andyboorman}} What makes you say ''[[Liogluta nigrobusta]]'' doesn't belong to WS? Of course it does. Many synonyms have a lot of relevant information which can't fit in the valid-species relevant page, and if it does it wont be represented clearly  enough. Some species have such a convoluted history that it's necessary to give their synonyms their due place. We never agreed that synonyms can't have their own pages which isn't a redirect. Many databases are giving the synonyms their specific pages where all their relevant data is represented, and I consider it a good practice. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 14:30, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::: {{ping|Mariusm}} I think we will have to agree to disagree, as I think that the data can be accommodated on the accepted taxon page. Regards [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 16:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Well as a zoologist I see no value for the cat either. To me it is not about botany vs zoology and the slight differences between the codes. Yes the definitions of invalid and unavailable are different, however, accepted is not actually a zoological term either. Names in zoology are either unavailable or available (based on requirements) and if available they may be valid or invalid, based on whether they are the currently used synonymym or ajunior of some type. I see no value myself in junior synonyms having entire pages, redirects to the senior synonym sure, but I see no reason for making pages for taxa that are invalid. All the type data of the synonym and its refs can be included on the main page, why can this not happen. These categories are a waste of time and space. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
{{outdent}}in regards to [[:Category: Invalid species name]] I am also in favor of deleting this, however, accept that may need more discussion. I ask this, what does it achieve creating a page for an invalid species, only to have it sit in this category plus have a link to its senior synonym and a template showing its invalid. What purpose does this serve for the nomenclature of the living world? Why can this information not be placed on the senior synonyms page. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
: Wouldn't it make more sense to include all taxon pages using the <nowiki>{{invalid}}</nowiki> template automatically in a [[:Category:Invalid taxon name]] instead of adding them manually to such a cat? - And yes, I think, invalid taxon pages are useful for documentation purposes. Just in case, a user should want to search for such a name. --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 19:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Murma174|Mariusm}} The documentation and data for the so called "invalid" taxon can be part of the senior synonym, or "accepted" taxon page. If the so called invalid taxon is in the synonymy of this page, as it should be, then it would feature in a search by a prospective user, or am I wrong? I think that is the way to progress WS for relatively complex taxonomies rather then the less transparent system of nested categories. I suggest this is more implicit and data driven. OK there are a few cases where consensus has not been achieved and names are in dispute, but that is a separate argument. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 21:55, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::agree with {{ping|Andyboorman}} and this is my point. It should be in the synonymy on the valid name page, and if you use a search it will still find them if it is either a redirect to the valid name, or it is contained in the page. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Andyboorman|Faendalimas}} This isn't a search-question. My point is that a senior-synonym page is too restricted to handle a bunch of junior-synonyms, each with its type-data; each with its name-combination-history; each with its group of references and mentions. Eventually this poor senior-synonym page will become a mess of entangled data. Thanks-God the senior-pages contain presently only the BARE-MINIMUM for the junior-synonyms data, but for the full-blown-data the best way is to use dedicated pages for the juniors. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 08:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Mariusm|Faendalimas}} This is a huge expansion of the current WS and its scope. Whilst there are so many red-linked accepted taxa then I will not be joining you any time soon. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 09:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::: Settle back, this isn't for ALL synonyms, only for selected ones (for now). [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 10:07, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

{{outdent}} A little OT meanwhile, but anyway: [[Abutilon Brazil virus]] is no synonym, but lost its status as a species, because the genetic difference to [[Abutilon mosaic Brazil virus]] is too small, and thus the first was merged into the latter. I added some information from the first page into the valid species page, and now(!) the invalid species page could be replaced by a redirect IMO. But we should keep the invalid species pages, where it is not yet done, or not that easy to merge the pages. --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 10:55, 27 May 2018 (UTC)<br>
P.S. And - again - it would help a lot, if all pages with <nowiki>{{invalid}}</nowiki> template did show up in one maintenance category. --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 11:06, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
:searching was brought up hence I mentioned it. I get this is not for all synonyms. I just honestly do not see the value in it. However, if it is being used by some for whatever reason, eg maintenance, updating etc, it is also harmless so long as its not extended to all taxa. Those using it can use it as they see fit I guess. But I myself prefer to add all synonyms to the valid name only and have no pages for synonyms unless the are redirects. I only do the redirects where taxonomy has been dynamic and recent. In other words the synonyms have been used and may be searched for. Therefore, if some people wish to keep this category and its not automatically applied or reqiuired then for me it can stay to be used by those who wish to use it. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
::Another problem with redirecting synonyms is that there are cases where a specific taxon name is the synonym of several other, accepted but separate taxa. Where to redirect the synonym then? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 20:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC).
::: {{Ping|Tommy Kronkvist}} Not sure, whether I understand your question properly, but we have lots of disambiguation pages in [[:Category:Disambiguation pages]] with synonyms and homonyms. --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 21:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Tommy Kronkvist}} that occurs occasionally when there are syntypes that represent different species and no one has bothered to split the type series to resolve it. However, it does at times happen. Technically it should be redirected to the older name as if it was a valid name that is the taxon that would be resolved to get the name. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

{{Tq|"this isn't for ALL synonyms, only for selected ones (for now)"}} How - on what criteria - are these selections made? Where is this process documented? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
:This approach will only benefit a few taxa and a single editor. I am sure that is fine, as long as there is consensus as to its harmlessness and the experimentation may have a long term benefit. However, I feel that when it impacts outside its confines and dictates to WS as a whole then that is not acceptable. Therefore, these categories and others like them should be deleted in the same way as we agreed to delete location categories. We have got to focus on the basics - WS is primarily a database concerned with currently accepted taxa and their relationships and classifications. It is not a database of categories, surely? [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
::Yes {{ping|Andyboorman}} you are correct, as I indicated I am ok with it so long as no attempt to extend it is made. In other words it is and remains harmless. However, I will go with consensus here. If everyone wants them deleted I am ok with that decision too. To {{ping|Pigsonthewing}}, Andy I do not know where or even if it was ever discussed or documented, why not I also do not know. Should this mean it should be deleted, to me no, not for that reason, byut as I indicated I do not think this is of any value either and for that reason they could be deleted. As I said above though if it can remain harmless then I can accept it staying. If it stays please do not ever ask me to comply with it. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I can't see the point of opposing either the [[:Category: Accepted species name]] or the [[:Category: Invalid species name]]. Both are harmless. More than that, they are beneficial in many ways. One benefit is the ability to group together and to manipulate all the valid-zoological-species. In the current situation we can't do that which is a significant drawback. Another benefit is the ability to instantly switch a valid species to an invalid one while preserving all the page information. Currently more than 3000 species are assigned as invalid species, which is a significant asset (see the templates {{tl|invalid}} and {{tl|invalid genus}}). The deletion of the [[:Category: Accepted species name]] ''was a major mistake'' to my mind, and the procedure to go ahead and delete it without a proper discussion was a misjudgment. I hope to be able to gradually reintroduce the [[:Category: Accepted species name]] to be able to utilize all its advantages. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 09:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Mariusm}} In contrast, I and it seems a number of others, can see the point in not concentrating on the plethora of invalid names in favour of those that are accepted and there was ''no major mistake'' made in  the deletion. Nevertheless this whole business could have been dealt with by proper discussion and consensus before you spent a lot of energy on this categorisation project. It seems that as a harmless side-show you should be free to go ahead without consensus or a vote, but I am unhappy with this, as it could open the flood gate to a host of private projects on WS. This has happened in the past with the build up of acrimonious consequences. I think the way forward is now to convene a separate discussion with a view to seeking consensus culminating in a vote. In addition, as you originated, or at least are a major user of the procedure, you ought to open the case for retaining these categories. Hopefully this sounds a reasonable way forward. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Andyboorman}} I think the above categories and the invalid names to be an ancillary part of the routine work we do and not something out of the ordinary as you imply. These bits of data are designed to add value to the respective pages and are not mandatory. Furthermore they are irrelevant to the botanical section of WS where you contribute. Why categories which clarify and help organize our database be termed "without consensus" when they are present here for many years and were never until now been opposed to. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 13:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
::::well I work on the zoological data and I am also not for them. Since it has created discussion its not unreasonable to make a proposal and a vote to keep or discard. Recreating a category that has been removed by consensus without new discussion is also not of any benefit. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
== [[Dirhagini n.g. 2]] and [[Dirhagini n.g. 3]] ==

Both are created by an IP in 2008. What to do with them? --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 20:42, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
:both are I am guessing new unnamed genera of the tribe Dirhagini. No additional info, quick seach I could find nothing helpful. I suggest delete both the n.g. pages. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
::If described in formal text as such, then they are considered as described in open nomenclature. They are not formally named, so I would agree to delete. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 22:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
::: Deleted. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 08:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC).
:::: Thx. I requested deletion at Wikidata. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 15:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

== [[Mantophasma]] ==

[[Mantophasma zephyrum]] or [[Mantophasma zephyra]]? EOL and ITIS say -um, GBIF and most Wikipedias say -a. I'd bet for -um. Has anybody access to the original source? (Klass, K.-D., O. Zompro, N. P. Kristensen, and J. Adis. 2002.) --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 11:07, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:Maybe [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5457117_Phylogeny_of_the_Heelwalkers_Insecta_Mantophasmatodea_based_on_mtDNA_sequences_with_evidence_for_additional_taxa_in_South_Africa this (Damgaard et al., 2008)] can help: "We also agree with Zompro (2005) that the gender of ‘‘Phasma” is neuter, which also applies to all genus names ending with —phasma in Klass et al. (2003a); consequently, the ending ‘‘—ensis” of species names is changed into ‘‘–ense”,‘‘zephyra” is changed into ‘‘zephyrum”, and‘‘subsolana” into ‘‘subsolanum”." [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 14:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::Great! Thank you. --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 16:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
== IRMNG as a potential resource for Wikispecies ==

Hi all, I am not currently a Wikispecies contributor (because there are only so many hours a day and my energies are mainly directed elsewhere, see below) but do lurk occasionally at the WS Village Pump to catch what is going on. However I thought it might be worthwhile to introduce my taxonomic names-collecting project to you, IRMNG, the Interim Register of Marine and Nonmarine Genera, in case there are aspects of it that might help Wikispecies - for example for gap analysis or as a source of names you might otherwise not find so easily. IRMNG contains as many genus names as I have been able to locate over the lifetime of the project (2006 onwards), currently over 485,000, with more added on an intermittent basis, all arranged in a coherent taxonomic hierarchy (although not all are allocated to family at this time). In addition to a simple name search and a browsable taxon tree, one of the things that distinguishes IRMNG from some other compilations (apart from its scope which, like Wikispecies, is "all life", both extant and fossil) is  the facility to fine tune searches to one's particular needs e.g. filter by taxonomic group and by cited year - this facility being available via the IRMNG "advanced search" page at http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=search&adv=1. For example, a search for genus names published in 2010 in Coleoptera yields 248 names and is set up as follows:

* Authority [contains] 2010
* Rank [is] Genus
* Belongs to: Coleoptera (selected from picklist once "Coleoptera" is entered)

The resulting list looks like this (start):

IRMNG Taxon list

Search returned 248 matching records, showing records 1-100.

Click on one of the taxon names listed below to check the details.

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* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469897 ''Acanthocolum'' Opitz, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469910 ''Acatinga'' Santos-Silva, Martins & Clarke, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469920 ''Acheroniotes'' Lohaj & Lakota, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469932 ''Acolaspoides'' Moseyko, Kirejtshuk & Nel, 2010 †]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469933 ''Acompsophloeus'' Thomas, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469964 ''Adapterops'' Frieser, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469991 ''Aeoniacalles'' Stüben & Astrin, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470063 ''Agachoragus'' Frieser, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470118 ''Alasia'' Furth & Zhaurova, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470169 ''Alienus'' Galileo & Martins, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470187 ''Allomallodon'' Santos-Silva & Galileo, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470202 ''Allsortsia'' Reid & Beatson, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=11904942 ''Andinodontis'' Erwin & Toledano, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470325 ''Andoboursanum'' Morvan, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470368 ''Anoixis'' Chang, Kirejtshuk & Ren, 2010 †]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470373 ''Anomalotragus'' Clarke, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470390 ''Antennommata'' Clarke, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470420 ''Aoriopsis'' Moseyko, Kirejtshuk & Nel, 2010 †]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470444 ''Apoclion'' Chang, Kirejtshuk & Ren, 2010 †]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470465 ''Apteraulamorphus'' Beenen, 2010]
* [http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1470474 ''Aquatica'' Fu, Ballantyne & Lambkin, 2010]

(etc.)
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Of course you can do similar things with any other taxonomic group or with all names, or search for a particular author name, etc. etc. The entire IRMNG dataset (down to genus) can also be downloaded without restriction, see http://www.irmng.org/download.php, and the download file is updated from the master (web) version a couple of times a year at this time.

Just mentioning this in case it is of value. I spend quite a lot of time trawling various resources out there (although always more work to be done!) and integrating the results so may be able to save downstream users such as yourselves a bit of time, perhaps. Of course in an ideal world this stuff would only require to be entered once into a single location and then flow seamlessly to other projects but that state of nirvana is still a little way off :) Best regards - Tony Rees [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 00:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
: BTW I should point out that IRMNG is fairly complete up to around 2012 or so (later for some groups) but less so for the most recently published names - a situation that may be rectified at some point ... [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 00:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:: Also note the method above works for plant groups as well, since (in contrast to "classic" botanical tradition) I like to keep the publication year as well as the author names for botanical genera, as well as zoological ones. Of course, use of the year in the query filter is optional, if you do not use it you will simply get all names for any desired group (up to a limit of 10,000 per query via the web). [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 05:33, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:The best solution would be to propose a [[Wikispecies:Project Wikidata|Wikidata]] property for your identifiers (e.g. "[http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1469897 1469897]" for ''Acanthocolum''), then load them all into Wikidata's Mix'n'Match tool, and match them to existing Wikidata items, or create new items where necessary. Then, we can run a query on Wikidata, "list all items with an IRMNG ID that has no Wikispecies page". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:: My Wikidata-Bot is able to read the Darwin Core Archive and can match the ID to the correct Wikidata item. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 14:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::: Tony 1212, Do you distinguish or are you being able to distinguish between valid genera and genera names in synonymy, genera-names-class such as subgenera, and rank-transferred names. for example: '''(1)''' A search for "Empleurus" yields "Empleurus Hope, 1838 accepted as Helophorus Fabricius, 1775" but doesn't indicate that ''Empleurus'' is a subgenus of ''Helophorus''. '''(2)''' A search for "Tachyusota" yields "Status unaccepted" which is correct, but wrongly states "Accepted Name: Ischnopoda Stephens, 1835" (the correct one is ''Tachyusa'' Erichson, 1837). '''(3)''' ''Calischnopoda'' is listed as "accepted" yet it's a synonymy of ''Ischnopoda''. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 15:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Hello [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]], thanks for checking out my compilation and for your questions which I will try to answer. For your question (1), as you realise, the taxonomicStatus field (mostly "accepted" or "unaccepted") refers to the presently stored status at generic rather than subgeneric level; IRMNG at present does not attempt to store subgenera as separate entities (a legacy from its original design and rapid assembly nature) although in future it could do so (with a lot of additional work). There is a "notes" field in the master file which, in the cited case of ''Empleurus'' Hope, 1838, reads : "Taxonomic remark: As Helophorus (Empleurus) in Hallan, 2000-. Currently valid as subgenus (Hallan, 2000-)." (refer http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1397331); unfortunately these notes are only readable on the web version at present, not in the DwCA archive download (I could maybe ask VLIZ, the present database custodians, to think about preparing the notes fields as a separate table for download). (2) and (3) require me to do some further checking; if there are stated synonymies given in IRMNG they will have come from somewhere (again, sources are viewable via the web version) but they may be outdated compared with more recent sources - hopefully any such errors are for historic reasons rather than actual mistakes.
::::There is a fourth issue which you have not yet spotted but may become apparent: when I created IRMNG I had a status equivalent to "unassessed" for names of which the taxonomic status  had not been further researched (i.e., their valid name or synonym status was not known), however in the current, VLIZ-hosted version that status does not exist and all such names (around 20% of animal genera) are treated as "accepted", although (once again via the web version) their is a note on validity "Not yet assessed" (or some such wording). Again for power users, I could get VLIZ to generate a list of the relevant IRMNG IDs/names if this is important for you. Cheers - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 23:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::::OK, I checked the cases you mentioned in points (3) and (4). ''Tachyusota'' Casey, 1906 is listed in IRMNG as a synonym of ''Ischnopoda'' based on Hallan's Biology Catalog from which I uploaded relevant information in 2012, in which it is given as a subgenus of ''Ischnopoda''. I note, however, that in Löbl & Löbl's 2015 catalogue, ''Tachyusota'' is given in the synonymy of ''Tachyusa'' Erichson; I can update this in the master IRMNG version, from which it will propagate to the next web download in due course (but not for some months). ''Calischnopoda'' is a different case in that it is one of the "unassessed" names in IRMNG (sourced from Nomenclator Zoologicus but not encountered in other taxonomic lists yet used for IRMNG population or markup) but coming through as "accepted" for now via the VLIZ hosting procedure (although it will be on any separately generated list of IRMNG unassessed names). I see that Löbl & Löbl list this as a synonym of ''Ischnopoda'' as you point out, so I can update this record also, although there will still be perhaps 100,000 names not yet assessed in the IRMNG master file (along with 300,000+ that have been, at least from one cited source) which is just a fact of the current IRMNG data set that has to be borne in mind (with my apologies).
::::Perhaps the take-home message is that IRMNG will alert you to names that have been published in a particular group, but you cannot always rely on it for the latest taxonomic status of all the names held which should therefore ideally be verified independently. Over time, the treatment of particular groups is upgraded but because taxonomy is a moving target IRMNG cannot unfortunately be as up-to-date in all respects as other, more specialist compilations; however IRMNG does provide an integrated view across all groups (useful, e.g. for the detection of homonyms in particular) that its equivalents elsewhere typically do not, as well as open access to the data in an easily reusable form. By the way, more details on IRMNG data sources used plus some of its benefits and/or limitations are contained in this 2017 publication: [https://journals.ku.edu/jbi/article/view/6522 IRMNG 2006–2016: 10 Years of a Global Taxonomic Database] [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 03:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Tony 1212}} many thanks for your detailed answer. The IRMNG can indeed be of value when searching for genus-name basic attributes but the details must be double-checked for accuracy. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 09:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Mariusm}}Correct! I named it "Interim" for this reason (also because when something better comes along, it can be superseded or retired...) [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 21:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I have now posted a proposal for a Wikidata property, at [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/IRMNG taxon ID]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 13:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Hi {{ping|Pigsonthewing}}, just letting you know that IRMNG has many duplicated names (homonyms sensu stricto plus sensu lato i.e. between kingdoms, nomina nuda, and published misspellings which collide with other, correctly spelled names of different taxa) that have to be borne in mind for any mapping exercise - see lists at http://www.irmng.org/homonyms.php. When I last looked here were over 70,000 such cases at genus level (perhaps 30,000 discrete names) of which the worst is ''Wagneria'' with 14(?) instances... Plus there are also unrecognised cases, e.g. within the last 10 minutes I came across a genus ''Platydiscus'' in a botanical paper; the only ''Platydiscus'' in the present IRMNG download file is an animal, but this one is indeed a (fossil) plant genus name published in 2001 and not present in the major nomenclators. Incorrect mappings could have some (ahem) 'interesting' consequences. Regards Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 20:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi [[User:Tony 1212|Tony]], looks like the [http://www.irmng.org/rest/ IRMNG REST webservice] is not working. I'm getting only 404 errors. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 15:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
: Hi {{ping|Succu}}, thanks for notifying us of that. There was a small error in the implementation which is now fixed. As an example, http://www.irmng.org/rest/AphiaRecordByIRMNG_ID/1323486 is now working, with other options described at http://www.irmng.org/rest/ . Cheers - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 20:15, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:: Great, [[User:Tony 1212|Tony]]! I will check this tomorrow. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 20:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata property now created, as {{P|5055}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

FYI [[User:Tony 1212|Tony]]: The integration at Wikidata is running (around 600,000 ids by now), but due to some new edit limitation it will take a while. Regards --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 18:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

: Thanks {{ping|Succu}} / [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]. I'm not that familiar with wikidata so perhaps you can forgive these possibly naive questions - first, does your process harvest just the name/IRMNG ID/url (or LSID) or does it also grab other relations/properties (parent ID etc., valid name/ID if a synonym, etc.) and second, how does it deal with dynamic data - e.g. first, for a given IRMNG ID the name would not normally ever change (except in case of an unintentional typo, or adjustment to cited authority), but its associated relations/properties may, and second, as new items are added to the database (or occasionally deprecated); the latter will be added as the next available numbers so you can always trawl for those I am guessing (if you are working off the live master/web copy, not the static data dump).

:There is one more thing you may encounter - a "feature" of the Aphia/WorMS data system in which IRMNG resides is that (apart from one or two special cases), the remote edit interface that is supplied for my and others' use does not support spaces in scientific names (these however can be inserted by the DB admins). So if I want to enter/edit an item named (say) "Mollusca (awaiting allocation)" it is entered/saved as "Mollusca_(awaiting_allocation)" for a while (generally a few weeks) until the underscores get replaced by spaces. Just letting you know in case you encounter any of these (maybe up to half a dozen out of 2.5 million at any one time). Regards - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 22:06, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

:: Just to note, if you are working off the Darwin Core Archive files, there will be no need to trawl for newly created records and also you will find no underscores. However if you are using the REST service these aspects may be of interest. Cheers - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 22:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

::: Hey [[User:Tony 1212|Tony]] the first (ongoing) run of my bot is matching a name present in WD to IRMNG within a "kingdom" only and is omitting homonyms therein. Underscores shouldn't be a problem, but thanks for your hint.  --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]])
== Improvements coming soon on Watchlists ==

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== Many more Wikidata items for articles with DOIs ==

Our friend [[User:Magnus Manske]] has, at my request, extracted ~35K DOIs from Wikispecies, and is using a bot to create Wikidata items for those that lack them; see list [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/user_edits.php?sparql=&pattern=wbeditentity-create.*CreateFromWikispeciesDOIs&user=QuickStatementsBot&start=20180530&end=&doit=Do+it here]. Gradually, the Wikidata community (which of course includes many Wikispecies editors; all are welcome) will add links (again, where they are not already included) from those items to items about authors, publications, and the major subjects of the articles; and together we can associate the items with corresponding templates here on Wikispecies. 

For each item created, it is possible to see the data visualised, in Scholia, [https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/work/Q21192559 like this]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

:...for others, we of course first need to create the Template: <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 20:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] looks good, still lots to do in that a quick look suggests that most articles have the authors listed as strings ([[wikidata:Property:P2093]]) rather than as Wikidata items, even though many authors likely already exist in Wikidata. Part of the challenge will be developing queries across Wikidata and Wikispecies to find these cases and resolve them. But the potential is exciting. {{unsigned|Rdmpage|11:38, 5 June 2018}}
:::{{Ping|Rdmpage}} A script will eventually convert {{P|2093}} ("Author name string") to {{P|50}} ("Author"), provided the authors have an ORCID iD and have included the DOI of the article in their ORCID record. It runs on a batch basis, updating a few hundred records every day, or can be invoked for a specific author using the "[https://tools.wmflabs.org/sourcemd/orcidator.php? ORCIDator]" tool. Obviously, this excludes authors who died before 2012, and so are not eligible to have an ORCID iD, so manual intervention is useful in such cases. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
::::{{Ping| Pigsonthewing}} For "fun" I've created two SPARQL queries to try a different approach. Given that many taxonomic authors will have pages here and hence items in Wikidata, one way is to grab DOIs from Wikispecies pages for authors, then check whether those items in Wikidata have links to the author's Wikidata item. For example y9n64zmy checks whether the first author of 10.3897/ZOOKEYS.507.9536 [[wikidata:Q21187205]] has a Wikidata item (it is). The second author isn't, and so would be a candidate for updating. When updating it would be nice to have a way to check that the authors are the "same", this query tinyurl.com/y83hnfyg gets the Wikispecies name of a person and the name attached to the work so that they can be compared (for example by a script that does approximate string matching). I have scripts to parse Wikispecies references to extract data (nightmare) and am thinking it might be useful to bundle these together with the SPARQL queries so that we could generate the necessary Quickstatements to update Wikidata (i.e., delete author strings, replace with author items.--[[User:Rdmpage|Rdmpage]] ([[User talk:Rdmpage|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::Note that the tiny url links are blocked by Wikispecies so I can't include short links to the Wikidata queries (oh the irony).--[[User:Rdmpage|Rdmpage]] ([[User talk:Rdmpage|talk]]) 11:54, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::: [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20Query%20to%20return%20Wikidata%20item%20%28if%20one%20exists%29%20for%20author%20at%20a%20given%20position%0A%23%20in%20the%20list%20of%20authors%20of%20a%20work%0ASELECT%20%3Fwikidata_author%20%3Fwikidata_author_name%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20DOI%20for%20work%0A%09VALUES%20%3Fdoi%20%7B%20%2210.3897%2FZOOKEYS.507.9536%22%20%7D%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Position%20in%20list%20of%20authors%0A%09VALUES%20%3Fwikispecies_order%20%7B%20%221%22%20%7D%20.%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Get%20work%20for%20DOI%0A%09%3Fwork%20wdt%3AP356%20%3Fdoi%20.%0A%09%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Get%20details%20on%20author%20so%20client%20can%20check%20whethe%20rname%20matches%0A%09%3Fwork%20wdt%3AP50%20%3Fwikidata_author%20.%0A%20%20%20%20%3Fwikidata_author%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fwikidata_author_name%20.%0A%09%3Fwork%20p%3AP50%20%3Fstatement%20.%0A%09%3Fstatement%20pq%3AP1545%20%3Fwikispecies_order%20.%20%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Restrict%20ourselves%20to%20English%0A%20%20%20%20FILTER%20%28lang%28%3Fwikidata_author_name%29%20%3D%20%27en%27%29%20%0A%7D%0A y9n64zmy]. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 20:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::: [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23%20If%20successful%20this%20query%20will%20return%20the%20Wikidata%20item%20for%20an%20author%20%0A%23%20together%20with%20the%20author%27s%20name%20as%20recorded%20in%20Wikipsecies%20and%0A%23%20in%20the%20Wikidata%20item%20for%20a%20work%20with%20a%20given%20DOI%20where%20the%20author%20is%0A%23%20given%20as%20a%20string%20%28P2093%29%20not%20an%20item%20%28P50%29.%20A%20client%20could%20use%20this%0A%23%20to%20get%20the%20two%20names%20and%20compare%20them%2C%20if%20they%20match%20then%20we%20could%20construct%20a%0A%23%20series%20of%20quick%20statements%20to%20update%20the%20Wikidata%20item%20for%20the%20work%20with%20the%0A%23%20Wikidata%20item%20for%20the%20author.%0ASELECT%20%3Fwikidata_author%20%3Fwikidata_author_name%20%3Fauthor_name_string%20%20%0AWHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20On%20the%20Wikipsecies%20page%20%22Alice_Wells%22%20she%20is%20listed%20as%20the%20second%20author%20%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20for%20the%20work%20with%20DOI%20%2210.11646%2FZOOTAXA.3964.2.2%22%0A%09VALUES%20%3Fwikispecies_page%20%7B%3Chttps%3A%2F%2Fspecies.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlice_Wells%3E%7D%20.%0A%09VALUES%20%3Fwikispecies_order%20%7B%20%222%22%20%7D%20.%0A%09VALUES%20%3Fdoi%20%7B%20%2210.11646%2FZOOTAXA.3964.2.2%22%20%7D%20.%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Find%20Wikidata%20item%20for%20Wikispecies%20author%0A%09%3Fwikispecies_page%20schema%3Aabout%20%3Fwikidata_author%20.%0A%09%3Fwikidata_author%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Fwikidata_author_name%20.%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Find%20the%20Wikidata%20item%20for%20work%20with%20the%20DOI%0A%09%3Fwork%20wdt%3AP356%20%3Fdoi%20.%0A%20%20%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Get%20name%20of%20author%20in%20same%20position%20as%20Wikispecies%20record%0A%09%3Fwork%20p%3AP2093%20%3Fstatement.%0A%09%3Fstatement%20ps%3AP2093%20%3Fauthor_name_string%20.%0A%09%3Fstatement%20pq%3AP1545%20%3Fwikispecies_order.%20%0A%0A%20%20%20%20%23%20Restrict%20outselves%20to%20English%20language%0A%09FILTER%20%28lang%28%3Fwikidata_author_name%29%20%3D%20%27en%27%29%20%20%20%0A%7D%20 y83hnfyg]. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 20:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::: {{Ping|Rdmpage}} Work to deploy Wikimedia's own URL shortener, which will resolve this issue, is in hand; see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108557 <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:16, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
== Update on page issues on mobile web ==

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Hi everyone. The [[mw:Reading/Web/Team|Readers web team]] has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.

So far, we have [[mw:Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile Page Issues|drafted a proposal on the design and implementation]] of the project.  We were also able to run [[mw:Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile Page Issues/Research Results|user testing on the proposed designs]].  The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned:
* The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
* Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
* Readers care about page issues and consider them important
* Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues
Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please [[mw:Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile Page Issues|visit the project page]] where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please [[mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile Page Issues|leave feedback on the talk page]]. 
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== Gurney or Gurner? ==

BHL lists the Australian ornithologist and entomologist [[Victor Gurney Logan van Someren]] as Victor Gurner Logan van Someren, with an "r" rather than a "y" in "Gurney". Wikidata and four Wikipedias (enWP, esWP, fiWP and nlWP) uses the same spelling as we do. Which is correct? Should we move our page to say "Gurner" instead? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]])‚ 13:39, 16 June 2018 (UTC).
:Correct name is Victor Gurney Logan Van Someren so we should all make sure thats what we have. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 17:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Faendalimas}} Thanks Scott! Unfortunately it's quite frequently spelled "Gurner", for example in OCLC's ''WorldCat Identities''.<sup><small>[http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2005054039/]</small></sup> By the way, do you happen to know whether he was the brother (or cousin, etc.) of Robert Abraham Logan van Someren, (M.B., Ch.B. 1904; M.D. 1907; D.P.H. [Edinburgh]. Uganda Medical Service, 1905; S.M.O. 1914; promoted to Captain in June 1915; mentioned in the University of Edinburgh ''Roll of Honour'' 1914–1919.)

::They were co-writers of {{aut|van Someren, R.A.L. & van Someren, V.G.L.}} 1911. ''Studies of Bird Life in Uganda''; and {{aut|van Someren, R.A.L. & van Someren, V.G.L.}} 1917. ''Provisional check list of the birds of East Africa and Uganda''.
::–[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 08:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC).
:::Heya, sorry I have no idea of their relationship if any. Its not that uncommon a name. VGL wrote in a number of areas, as you note entomology and ornithology, maybe somewhere in all that someone did a biography on him. Cheers, [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
== Ageniella ==

A number of species of the wasp genus ''[[Ageniella]]'' are listed in [[:commons:Category:Ageniella]], based on images from the fine 'Insects Unlocked' collection; but do not have pages on Wikispecies, nor items in Wikidata. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

: Same for ''[[Anoplius]]'', in [[:commons:Category:Anoplius]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
::Have you checked if said supposed taxa are actually species. Since commons is populated by people putting up photos of what they think they saw or assume to know. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
:::No, I have not "checked". I'm prepared to take the statements at face value, given their provenance. Do you have any actual evidence to the contrary? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 07:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Well, quick look. According to Waichert, C., C.D. von Dohlen, J.P. Pitts. 2011. Ageniella accepta seems valid, but is a senior synonym of Ageniella conflicta‎. I do not know which subgenus it is in. This takes a lot of research to find the nomenclatural acts that show the currently accepted taxa in the group. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 21:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
== Linking names to types in Wikispecies ==

An essential element of nomenclature is the type specimen, but as far as I can see there is little or no information on Wikispecies about types. Why is this?

The reason I ask is that the Consortium of European Taxonomic Facilities has created a system of persistent identifiers for type specimens (https://cetaf.org/cetaf-stable-identifiers). The intension is that the URI to the specimen will remain stable indefinitely, so we can link to type specimens without fear that the link will break. How could we go about linking types to names in Wikispecies?
The type is linked to the name, rather than the taxon concept, so that aspect needs to be clear in the format.

There is no central authority for typification information and Wikispecies could be a valuable resource on typification.
[[User:Qgroom|Qgroom]] ([[User talk:Qgroom|talk]]) 08:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:There exist examples of taxon pages with information on types, e.g. ''[[Espeletia killipii]]'', which I did recently. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 09:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:: It is intended to include type information and type specimens to all taxon pages on Wikispecies (e.g. ''[[Salicornia cuscoensis]]''). But Wikispecies needs more taxonomists, who will add those informations to the pages! --[[User:Thiotrix|Thiotrix]] ([[User talk:Thiotrix|talk]]) 09:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::: I always try to include the '''Type locality''' & '''Holotype''' info when available in my species pages (see for example ''[[Trisinus shaolingiger]]''). [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 10:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::: I try wherever possible to include type numbers and localities in my Cirripedia entries. These are good for my research work also. Finding primary type numbers can be seriously challenging. Types only came into existence about 1900, and until relatively recently, have been haphazard. In April, I decided I wanted catalog number for ''Lepas stenzeli'' {{aut|Withers}}, 1953, allegedly held in Texas, for evaluation in my upcoming paper. Contacting them, I discovered they do not have that specimen, nor were they aware they were supposed to have it. I have access to Henryk Stenzel's correspondance, and discovered he had discussed with Withers on returning those specimens to Texas. Thinking maybe Withers had failed to return it, I contacted NHM. They promptly found it. After 81 years, it shall be returning to Texas this summer. For Darwin, there are only lectotype designations on species he described. For ''[[Megabalanus zebra]]'', type locality in Darwin is a ship's hull. As this species is seriously invasive, to this day, its original distribution is uncertain. CETAF is very excellent project, and I wish US institutions would join in. For many cases, these collection websites may be our only source of type numbers and localities. Later publications can help, but in many cases, they simply copy original sources, mistakes and all. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 14:19, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::: I think the most desirable attributes for a species are (1) '''Type locality''' (2) '''Distribution'''. An example for a typical catalogue entry is: <small>''Pella japonica'' Sharp, 1888: 290 '''TL''': Bukenji, '''Distribution''': Japan, Korea, far east Russia</small> Where TL is type locality. Of course it's very desirable to include also the holotype (or lectotype/syntype). [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 14:51, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::When possible types should be identified by their museum number and the institution they are from, the institution is usually a link to a page with more information on that institution. Some museums have online databases of their collection through which a link to any types they hold could be made. I think it would be better to link directly to the type at the institution holding it if possible, rather than through a third party. It is true the type is a crucial piece of information but to do anything with it if you interested in researching the group you need to examine it for yourself. Hence having information that can lead you to where the type is and its identification number is the most crucial piece of info on the type specimen. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 16:32, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Just to be clear the CETAF Stable identifiers are links to the type holding institution. The main innovation has been to use URI redirection and a institutional commitment to stablility to encourage stability of these identifiers. From what you say there is no reason not to add type information, except the difficulties of finding it. Though I suspect there may be problems ensuring which name is associated with the type. For example, a type may be linked to the basionym, rather than the accepted name and this should be made clear. [[User:Qgroom|Qgroom]] ([[User talk:Qgroom|talk]]) 06:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: Of course, a type should always refer to the name it typifies. That is no problem, see ''[[Salsola australis]]'' for an example. --[[User:Thiotrix|Thiotrix]] ([[User talk:Thiotrix|talk]]) 09:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Another example: ''[[Lacunaria jenmanii]]'' --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 14:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
:The CETAF initiative creates "a joint Linked Open Data (LOD) compliant identifier system". The Wikimedia LOD project is Wikidata; therefore we should store this data in Wikidata, with an item for each type specimen, and from there transclude the URI and other data into Wikispecies, as we do for images from Commons. An unstructured, plain-text system like Wikispecies cannot function as a "central authority" in a LOD environment. Accordingly, I have [[:d:Wikidata:Property proposal/CETAF specimen ID|proposed a new Wikidata property]] for these IDs. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:44, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
== Sandbox? ==

[[Sandbox:Lucaspeñacorada]] was added by [[User:Magnus Manske]] to Wikidata some days ago. Are you supporting the sandbox concept here? --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 20:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

:Moved to [[User:Lucaspeñacorada/Sandbox]]; Wikidata item nominated for deletion. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
::Wikidata item deleted. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 19:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Succu}} Just a last note. We do have an "official" and public sandbox at [[Wikispecies:Sandbox]], but we do not use a special "Sandbox" namespace (hence the link "Sandbox:Lucaspeñacorada" is out of scope) and also our public WS sandbox should not link to any subpages. Instead the use of user-specific sandboxes like "User:Lucaspeñacorada/Sandbox" are very much recommended. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 21:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC).
:::: I hope [[User:Magnus Manske]] noticed this. Thanks. --[[User:Succu|Succu]] ([[User talk:Succu|talk]]) 21:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
== Possible resources ==

These are of course quite dated, but seem like they might be useful to you people, at least for the references to original publications....
* [[:File:Bergey's manual of determinative bacteriology.djvu]]
* [[:File:American Seashells (1954).djvu]]
* [[:File:An illustrated flora of the Pacific States (vol. 1).djvu]]
* [[:File:An illustrated flora of the Pacific States (vol. 2).djvu]]
* [[:File:An illustrated flora of the Pacific States (vol. 3).djvu]]
I've made at least a start at transcribing them over at Wikisource, and more are to come. (And yes, before anyone asks, they are PD). [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 14:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks! –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 19:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC).
== Xanthomixis ==

Please can someone help with the issue described at [[Talk:Bernieridae]]? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
:I just looked it over. ''Xanthomixis'' is definitely primary homonymy, with the bird name having precedence. I did change that entry to ''Xanthomixis (Aves)''. I can find no replacement name for the noctuid. {{Ping|PeterR}} would be one to find one, if it exists, as that page would have to be moved. Let me know about any replacement name, and I can fix everything. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 13:31, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
::''Xanthomixis'' is still listed as a valid subgenus of ''Polymixis'' (Noctuidae) in both LepIndex (old) and Catalogue of Butterflies and Moths of the Natural History Museum (newer), although it is a preoccupied name, and I cannot find any published replacement via Google Scholar so am presuming none currently exist. [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 05:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:::I did more research yesterday, and found [[template:Fibiger & Hacker, 2005|{{aut|Fibiger & Hacker}}, 2005]], which presents complete taxonomy and listings of [[Noctuoidea]]. I templated it, and added it to Noctuoidea. They synonymize ''Xanthomixis'' into ''Polymixis'' on p. 150, without discussing homonymy. GBIF listed ''Xanthomixis'' (Noctuoidea) as doubtful. Apparently this one of those taxa whose status depends on who you talk to and when. I shall adjust things enough to avoid confusion. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I've created the page [[Xanthomixis (Aves)|''Xanthomixis'' (Aves)]] but it still needs references. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 15:49, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

== ''Haseltonia'' ==

Does any one know whether the pages [[ISSN 1070-0048]] (i.e. ''Haseltonia'') and ''[[Haseltonia: Yearbook of the Cactus and Succulent Journal]]'' refers to the same publication, hence should be merged? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 13:14, 9 July 2018 (UTC).
:They are not the same, as there is a pre 1994 version with I guess the ISSN above. The new ISSN is 0007-9367. Cactus And Succulent Society Of America publishes two journals so it gets a bit complicated. Merge is not desirable, but a clean up is. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. I guess these are the pages involved:
::* [[ISSN 0007-9367]] – ''Cactus and Succulent Journal'', i.e. ''Cact. Succ. J. (Los Angeles)'' [recently updated]
::* [[ISSN 1070-0048]] – i.e. ''Haseltonia'' [needs update and more information]
::* ''[[Haseltonia: Yearbook of the Cactus and Succulent Journal]]'' [recently updated]
::* ''[[Journal of the Cactus and Succulent Society of America]]'' – i.e. ''J. Cact. Succ. Soc. Amer.'' [recently created]
::–[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 15:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC).

== Malfunctioning Twitter bot ==

Don't know who maintains [https://twitter.com/wikispeciesbot the bot on Twitter]. It's been broken for quite some time posting "[following] [following]" instead of a link. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 02:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
: I maintain the official {{Twitter|Wikispecies}} Twitter account but unfortunately don't know who is responsible for the {{Twitter|Wikispeciesbot}} account mentioned above. It was created about a year earlier than @Wikispecies, most probably by a user in the Netherlands. On November 29, 2017 there was a tweet saying "Yep, working again. the wiki changed to https and forced me to change my script. Updated, working, for as long as nothing breaks again." Later that day the "[following]&nbsp;[following]" messages started, and they've been going on ever since, once or twice every day. In July 3, 2018 there suddenly was a tweet saying "matches matches" which indicates that someone is working with the code, but the "[following]&nbsp;[following]" started again just a day after. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 04:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC).
== Old synonyms from Pallas ==

Hello, new here (though a long-term Wikipedian / Wiktionarian). I'm thinking of adding some old synonyms from [[Peter Simon Pallas]], many of which are still missing; e.g. ''Viverra lutra'' for [[Lutra lutra]]. This is probably of some wider interest, due to his ''Zoographia Rosso-Asiatica'' being an important early source for many animal names in Russian indigenous languages. For linguists who are not zoographically versed, it can be however difficult to figure out what animal exactly is being meant at various times. (Also, in case anyone is interested in collaborating, an index to his work has been compiled by [https://journal.fi/store/issue/view/3278 Kecskeméti (1968)].)

I think I can get the gist of the synonym conventions from the examples appearing here so far, but are there any notable style guidelines or possible pitfalls I should watch out for? --[[User:Tropylium|Tropylium]] ([[User talk:Tropylium|talk]]) 01:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
: Hello {{ping|Tropylium}}, thanks for your interest. For a guide to the synonyms style we employ here, please see [[Help:Name_section#Synonyms_or_Synonymy]]. If you have any doubts, make an edit to a page and ask me for my opinion. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 07:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
== What questions concerning the strategy process do you have? ==

Hi!

I'm Tar Lócesilion, a Polish Wikipedia admin and a member of Wikimedia Polska. Last year, I worked for Wikimedia Foundation as a liaison between communities and the Movement Strategy core team. My task was to ensure that all online communities were aware of the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2017|movement-wide strategy discussion]]. This year, my task similar. '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20|Phase II of the strategy process]]''' was launched in April. Currently, future [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Working Groups|Working Groups]] members are being selected, and related pages on Meta-Wiki are being designed.

I’d like to learn '''what questions concerning the strategy process would you like to be answered on the FAQ page?''' Please answer here, on my talk page, or on a [[m:Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20|dedicated talk page on Meta-Wiki]]. Thanks!

If you have any questions or concerns, please, do ask!

Thanks, [[User:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|talk]]) 18:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
== Consistancy across Wikipedia nomenclatural platforms ==

For instance:  Wikipedia: Roccellaceae includes genus Opegrapha & <small>— The preceding [[:w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:96.54.23.37|96.54.23.37]] ([[User talk:96.54.23.37|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/96.54.23.37|contribs]]){{#if:19:03, 2 March 2018‎|&#32;19:03, 2 March 2018‎|}}.</small>
: Contrary to [[:en:Opegrapha|English WP]] and the other Wikipedias, both the Global Biodiversity Information Facility ("GBIF") and Mycobank places ''[[Opegrapha]]'' in [[Opegraphaceae|Opegraphaceae {{aut|Stizenb.}}]] rather than in [[Roccellaceae|Roccellaceae {{aut|Chevall.}}]] (see [http://www.mycobank.org/BioloMICSDetails.aspx?Rec=96811 Opegrapha {{aut|Ach.}} at MycoBank]). Index Fungorum regards it as an [[isonym]] (See [http://www.indexfungorum.org/Names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=81088 Opegraphaceae {{aut|Stizenb.}} at Index Fungorum]). ITIS treats the taxon Opegraphaceae {{aut|Stizenb.}} as "not accepted" due to Myconet, 2001 (Outline of Ascomycota, vol. 7) which places the type genus ''Opegrapha'' {{aut|Ach.}} in the family Roccellaceae {{aut|Chevall.}} Therefore ITIS is placing Opegraphaceae {{aut|Stizenb.}} in synonymy under Roccellaceae {{aut|Chevall.}} (see [https://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=500125#null Opegraphaceae {{aut|Stizenb.}} at ITIS.] Personally I have no idea what is correct here, but perhaps some of our mycologists have data that is up to date? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 09:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC).
== Are some ''Coreopsis'' now considered ''Leptosyne''? ==

According to the Jepson Flora Project (citing {{aut|Mort}} ''et al.'' 2004, Syst Bot 29:781–789; {{aut|Strother}} 2006 FNANM 21:185–198, and others) the following formerly ''Coreopsis'' species have been reassigned to ''Leptosyne'':
==== [[Coreopsis sect. Leptosyne|Section ''Leptosyne'']] ====
* ''[[Coreopsis douglasii]]'' {{aut|(DC.) H.M.Hall}} — Douglas's Tickseed
* ''[[Coreopsis californica]]'' {{aut|(Nutt.) H.Sharsm.}} — California Tickseed
* ''[[Coreopsis stillmanii]]'' {{aut|(A.Gray) S.F.Blake}} — Stillman's Tickseed
==== [[Coreopsis sect. Pugiopappus|Section ''Pugiopappus'']] ====
* ''[[Coreopsis bigelovii]]'' {{aut|(A.Gray) Voss}} — Bigelow's Tickseed
* ''[[Coreopsis calliopsidea]]'' {{aut|(DC.) A.Gray}} — Leafstem Tickseed
* ''[[Coreopsis hamiltonii]]'' {{aut|(Elmer) H. Sharsm.}} — Mount Hamilton Tickseed
==== [[Coreopsis sect. Tuckermannia|Section ''Tuckermannia'']] ====
* ''[[Coreopsis gigantea]]'' {{aut|(Kellogg) H.M.Hall}} — Giant Coreopsis
* ''[[Coreopsis maritima]]'' {{aut|(Nutt.) Hook.f.}} — Sea Dahlia

See for example {{a|David John Keil|Keil, D.J.}} 2012 ''Leptosyne bigelovii'', in Jepson Flora Project (eds.) Jepson eFlora, http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/eflora/eflora_display.php?tid=30644

What say ye, botanists, should our ''[[Coreopsis]]'' pages be updated and a ''[[Leptosyne]]'' page created? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 04:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC).

:There is no consensus as to the acceptance of this segregation. Crawford et al. 2009. Coreopsideae in Funk et al. Systematics, Evolution, and Biogeography of Compositae prefer to maintain Coreopsis s.l. and this is followed by Hassler in COL, Tropicos and Kew's POWO. However, Global Compositae Checklist prefers segregation of some species above. A separate page for ''[[Leptosyne]]'' would be disputed. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 11:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
:: So should we remove the "section" parts of our ''[[Coreopsis]]'' page, or leave it as it is? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 10:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC).
::: I would leave it for now. I have noticed there is only some agreement as to generic circumscriptions, as it is. The Sections seem to be useful to working botanists and more or less stable. Cheers [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: Thanks. Case closed and transmission over, for now. :) [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 10:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC).
== Many duplicate pages ==

Here's some worrying reading: [[User:MatSuBot/Duplicates]] lists a total of 2354 duplicate pages, mainly involving subgenera pages. Some of them might be "false positives", but still. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 13:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC).
: I have dealt with some that concerned my edits and expertise, but it seems most involve {{ping|PeterR}}'s work. Not sure I can help here. Good bot though. Cheers [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 20:04, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
::These are going to have to be carefully fixed. I looked at one in detail [[Oroncus (Arctoroncus) weigerti]] to see what is happening, the page [[Oroncus weigerti]] has better info even though the page [[Oroncus (Arctoroncus) weigerti]] is correctly named. So some combining of info is going to have to be done. One question didn't we have a discussion and determine the appropriate way to handle subgenera name spaces? I personally prefer the subgenus to be left out of the namespace, The reason being is that subgenera are not compulsory under the code and often not known by users, so they will search for Genus + Species not Genus (Subgenus) + species. Of course the subgenus would be included in the taxnav section. In the above example I would set Oroncus (Arctoroncus) weigerti to redirect to Oroncus weigerti and ensure the taxnav reflected the existence of a subgenus. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 23:11, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I too prefer to exlude the subgenera from the species ''page names'', but they must of course be included in the Taxonavigation sections. By they way there are several cases that are more complex than Scott's ''Oroncus'' example, since they not only include a subgenus but a subspecies as well. For example ''[[Troides (Ripponia) hypolitus sangirensis]]'' i.e. ''[[Troides hypolitus sangirensis]]''. Also many of those lack the proper formatting templates in the Taxonavigation sections, e.g. {{Tl|sgssps}} or (less preferable) {{Tl|sgssp}}. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 02:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC).
::::Yeah the one above is a real mess actually, once you start looking through the subgenera etc, no agreement on which species belong to which subgenus etc. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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I've dealt with a few of the more obvious ones, like the genus page [[Masaakia Takeuchi|''Masaakia'' Takeuchi]] → [[Masaakia (Takeuchi)|''Masaakia'' (Takeuchi)]] and the scientific journal ''[[Diagnoses Plantarum Orientalium novarum]]'' → ''[[Diagnoses Plantarum Orientalium Novarum]]''. However some are odd. For instance the template {{Tl|Nowrap}} is considered a duplicate of the similar but not identical {{Tl|Nobr}}. I haven't used either one of them in a while, but in my experience sometimes only one of them renders the desired effect. And it's not the same one every time, presumably depending on surrounding syntax and code. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 16:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC).
:I will sort out the [[Oroncus]] examples tonight. Been short on time. But I have looked at the correct nomenclature so know what I need to do. Cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::As an aside, just letting you know that a genus authority in parentheses is incorrect in zoology (in botany, parentheses are legitimate where they indicate a change of rank e.g. genus originally a subgenus, tribe etc.; in zoology this does not apply; parentheses are however common at species level, for a different reason i.e. changed genus assignment from the original). Thus [[Masaakia (Takeuchi)|''Masaakia'' (Takeuchi)]] should read [[Masaakia Takeuchi|''Masaakia'' Takeuchi]], not the other way around. If in doubt see e.g. https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Masaakia+Takeuchi&btnG= . Regards - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 07:25, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
:::BTW The date for ''Masaakia'' is 1950, see http://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=1433347 [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 07:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{Ping|Faendalimas}} Thanks. I'll try to help out with the other genera, but I'm also pressed for time right now.
:::: {{Ping|Tony 1212}} Hi, and thank you for your notes. In this case it is only the '''page name''' that says "Masaakia&nbsp;(Takeuchi)" with parenthesis and I believe this is the preferred naming scheme on Wikispecies no matter whether the page regards a taxon, an author, a publication, or something else. However '''within''' the actual taxon pages the designation has always been "Masaakia&nbsp;Takeuchi" without parenthesis, and always stating 1950 as the year of publication. This is true for all versions of both the current [[Masaakia (Takeuchi)]] (four edits in 2018, see the [https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masaakia_(Takeuchi)&action=history revision history]) as well as all versions of the now deleted [[Masaakia Takeuchi]] (eleven edits 2009–2018, but since it's a deleted page the [https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Masaakia_Takeuchi revision history] is only available for admins.)
:::: –Best regards, [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 08:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC).
:::::Thanks Tommy, my mistake. I thought the taxon name was the main name presented in bold at the top, evidently not... Now I see it is given lower in the page. However it is confusing to the reader (this one at least). All the best - Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 09:22, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
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In plants, this bot has exposed a couple of additional problems. For example, ''[[Saponaria bellidifolia Sm.]]'' - this seems to an older taxon page name format linked to a disambig page ''[[Saponaria bellidifolia]]'', this procedure can be dealt with in other ways leaving the main taxon page named as one would expect. However, there are also taxonomic problems, for example in the putative hybrid ''[[Salix]]'' species, such as ''[[Salix × subalpina]]'' and ''[[Salix subalpina]]''. The circumscription of these combinations is not straight forward and at the moment is based upon a single less reliable secondary source. In addition, most of these so called hybrids are based upon horticultural forms or selections. These will need a careful work through. Kind regards [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 18:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
== Circumscription of Salix ==

The bot above has highlighted a number of problems with our ''[[Salix]]'' taxon pages. Firstly, the presented infrageneric classification is out of date and no longer supported by recent research or many other up to date secondary sources. The generic circumscription has problems, but given that there are no other secondary sources that completely agree as to what species are accepted and those in synonymy. The list of nothospecies contains a mix of artificial and natural hybrids. In addition, some hybrids are accepted as straight species by some and not others, even the well known Crack Willow ''Salix fragilis''  or is it ''Salix x fragilis'' and I thought that one solved!. Conclusion, this genus has been a taxonomic nightmare for decades and still is and reading some current literature I can not see the Gordian Knot being unpicked anytime soon. Opinions anybody? [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 14:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
: More precisely, which bot are you referring to? Writing "the bot above" in a new Village Pump thread (without stating the actual name of the bot) can sometimes lead to misunderstandings, since the different threads in the Pump are frequently and automatically moved to an archive, hence "disappear" from the page... :-) [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 09:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC).
::Apologies I meant User:MatSuBot/Duplicates [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 11:11, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
== Please merge ==

[[Federico Philippi]] and [[Federico H.E. Philippi]]. --[[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus Manske]] ([[User talk:Magnus Manske|talk]]) 10:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 13:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
== A.A. Thasun Amarasinghe ==

I have semi-protected [[A.A. Thasun Amarasinghe]] after an IP editor made good faith, but damaging, edits; which removed templated citations as well as adding new ones. I have also restored the templates, but kept and sorted the new data. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:57, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

== 'In use' template ==

To help us avoid edit conflicts when working on long or complex pages, the template {{Tl|In use}} is now available. Please make use of it, mark it up for translation and, most importantly, respect its message if you encounter it in use. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:11, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
== Fritz Müller ==

We have [[Fritz Müller]] and [[Fritz Müller 1]]. What's the preferred method of disambiguation for these? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
: In most cases I prefer "<code>Author name (year–year)</code>" since "<code>Author name (scientific discipline)</code>" doesn't always solve the problem&nbsp;– for instance the above authors are both zoologists. However in this particular case it seems the full name of the latter is Johann Friedrich Theodor Müller. Hence I suggest we move [[Fritz Müller 1]] to [[Johann Friedrich Theodor Müller]], which will dodge the problem entirely. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]])‚ 11:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC).
::What about making your latter change, but also moving [[Fritz Müller]] to [[Friedrich Müller]], and making [[Fritz Müller]] a disambiguation page? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:30, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
::: That's even better of course. I'm on it but the full process will take a while since there are about 50 taxon pages that needs to be "re-linked" to the new author pages, when created. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 13:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC).
::: {{Done}}, including the Wikidata pages for disambiguation etc. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]])‚ 14:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC).

== Sources on Wikidata ==

Magnus Manske has written [http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=559 a blog post] about the work he is doing, to add details of papers cited on Wikispecies (and on two Wikipedias) to Wikidata. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 12:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
== Template Molina, 1782 ==

{{ping|Burmeister}} {{ping|Neferkheperre}}. This [[Template:Molina, 1782]] was linked and indexed to a BHL file. Now, when you click at any of the more of 30 taxa using the template, all them are redirecting to the main page of the book at [http://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es/ing/Libro.php?Libro=192&Pagina=1 Biblioteca digital], for example: [[Athene cunicularia]]. The copy of the book is no longer at BHL, except the [https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/search?searchTerm=Saggio+sulla+storia+naturale+de+Chili#/titles tittle (second one)] who redirects to Biblioteca Digital. Does anyone  have an idea how to fix it? Without having to rework all the 30+ taxa? --[[User:Hector Bottai|Hector Bottai]] ([[User talk:Hector Bottai|talk]]) 19:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
:In so far as the species pages use {{tl|BHL}} to generate the offending BHL links, no. A bot could easily just remove all instances of that templates on these pages, though. Converting those links to page links at the bibliotheca digitale, if that is what you wish to see, is (most likely) only possible manually (and speaking from experience, "30+" pages is really not that much editing to do when it's this straightforward). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 20:50, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
== Closure proposal ==

<s>[[meta:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Wikispecies]] [[User:Lojbanist|Lojbanist]] ([[User talk:Lojbanist|talk]]) 20:03, 7 August 2018 (UTC)</s>
: <s>To clarify: this is a proposal '''to entirely close down the Wikispecies project'''. I urge everyone in the community to take part in the discussion. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 21:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC).</s>
:: This proposal was speedy-closed. It was invalid and spurious. [[User:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[User talk:StevenJ81|talk]]) 22:28, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

<s>{{Ping|Lojbanist}} Why did you post this? Also, are you familiar with our efforts at [[Wikispecies:Localization|translation/localization]]? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 00:04, 8 August 2018 (UTC)</s>

Follow-up link, for future reference when this version of the Wikispecies VP is archived: [[:meta:Proposals for closing projects|Meta-Wiki: Proposals for closing projects]]. (See August 7, 2018: "''Result: Proposal was speedily-rejected as inappropriate and disruptive.''") –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 16:34, 10 August 2018 (UTC).
{{Section resolved|1=–<span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]]</span> ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]),</span> 17:34, 10 August 2018 (UTC).}}
== Contents section ==

Why has [[Araucariaceae]] a contents section but other [[Pinales]] do not? Any thoughts? Do we need this section? I cannot find a template for it anywhere, so any help would be appreciated. Best regards [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
: What "contents section"? Please explain. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 13:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
::Its gone! Very odd. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 15:30, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
::: Probably a temporary effect from the Knson template edits. The contents are suppressed through the high-level templates, but when that is broken, the ToC can resurface. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::: Yep, my thoughts as well. However by now server caches etc. should have been flushed, and things are back to normal. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 09:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC).
== Two new useful templates ==

Hello. {{ping|RLJ}} has produced two templates for use in the Reference Section of plant species. They are [[Template:Catol-WorldFerns]] and [[Template:Catol-ELPT]] for bryophytes. These compliment [[Template:Catol-Hassler]] useful for vascular plants. Best Regards and thanks to RLJ. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 13:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for this valuable notification! –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 21:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

== Same author? ==

Can someone check whether [[Jon Lewis]] and [[Jon A. Lewis]] are the same? {{unsigned|Circeus|20:34, 16 August 2018}}
: I've redirected [[Jon Lewis]] to [[Jon A. Lewis]], since the "Jon Lewis" page is an orphan in respect to taxon-, reference- or other author pages.<small><sup>[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Jon Lewis|(links)]]</sup></small> In comparison several taxon-, author- and reference pages already links to {{nobr|"Jon A. Lewis"}}.<small><sup>[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Jon A. Lewis|(links)]]</sup></small>  I've also merged the two equivalent Wikidata pages. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 22:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC).
== Problems in User:Knson2 edits ==

Please note that [[User:Knson2]] is adding many cladi (plural of cladus) to the taxa templates, causing them to exceed the recursion depth limit of 40. See for example [[Eumaniraptora]]. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 10:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
: What is our policy towards adding obscure or controversial cladi to the stem templates which affect thousands of pages? I think it must be forbidden without prior discussion, especially when these cladi are red-links. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 12:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:: [[User:Knson2]] was blocked for 3 days until an agreement is reached on this issue. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 12:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
::: I've added a link to this VP thread to [[User talk:Knson2#Obscure cladus|the users talk page]], for clarity and transparency. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 13:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC).
:::: Knson2 has done a mess with many important templates. We must somehow revert all his contributions. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 15:15, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
::::: Suggestions? I'm also concerned that the additions have no supporting citations. In plants, the rank and ending of the added taxa are completely unsupported, possibly arbitrary. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:32, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
{{Outdent}}
Not counting already deleted edits, the user has created a total of 7 new taxon pages and 48 Taxonavigation stem templates (most of them above familia rank). I could easily and swiftly delete all of them in one go, but sincerely feel we need to reach some sort of community consensus and agree upon a decision before I go ahead and do so. By the way I have already blocked [[User:Knson]] and [[User:Knson3]], two verified sockpuppets. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 15:42, 12 August 2018 (UTC).
:I have had a brief look through this editors work and would like to make a few points. The editor seems to be concentrating on cladi rather than taxa and WS is taxon based and Linnean. In plants we tolerate clades at a supraordinal level, but only when basically accepted by APGIV. Many of the cladi added are experimental and proposals, but probably not very useful for taxonomy and classification. The  massive lists are confusing as well as exceeding the recursion depth and where they generate red links add to outstanding work. As has been pointed out there are no sources cited, so technically the pages are stubs and unverifiable. I would advise a rapid deletion of edits affecting important and key templates and unless there are good reasons for not doing so. However, outside plants I cannot comment on technical accuracy. Finally sockpuppetry is not tolerated here and so the contributor could be banned indefinitely. Kind regards [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 17:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:: The two last mentioned user accounts are already indefinitely blocked: see Meta-Wikis [[:meta:Special:CentralAuth/Knson|Global Account Information for user Knson]] and [[:meta:Special:CentralAuth/Knson3|Knson3]], respectively.
:: One problem with the edits of Knson2 is that some of them includes redirects which in turn has been changed into other redirects, and so forth. See for example [https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=SAR_supergroup&action=history SAR supergroup (page history)] and [https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sphingobacteria&action=history Sphingobacteria (page history).] I haven't checked all of them thoroughly enough yet but potentially [[Special:BrokenRedirects|broken redirects]] and [[Special:DoubleRedirects|double redirects]] needs to be checked and mended before any more drastic measures are taken, if any. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 20:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC).
::: It's amazing: [[User:Knson2]] managed to alter '''ALL''' WS pages (except for authors etc.) without anyone raising a red flag or asking any questions. We must be more vigilant towards such users. I made an effort to redo all his contributions. I recommend blocking him indefinitely (he's blocked now for 3 days). [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 10:24, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
:::: I've made a note on [[User talk:Knson2#Obscure cladus]] about the very real risk of the block getting extended unless the user presents an explanation of their edits and intention. I have also taken the liberty to write protect the templates <tt>{{tl|Animalia}}, {{tl|Chromista}}, {{tl|Fungi}}, {{tl|Plantae}}, {{tl|Protista}}</tt>, and <tt>{{tl|Protozoa}}</tt> so that they no longer can be edited by new and unregistered users; in other words they can only be edited by registered users with at least either "confirmed" or "autoconfirmed" user rights. I figure this is okay, since the Taxonavigation templates for taxa as high as Regnum should very seldom need to be edited anyway? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 03:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
:::: The user account [[User:Knson2]] is hereby indefinitely blocked as a result of persistent [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sock puppetry]], together with the newly created [[User:Knson5]]. All edits by all related user accounts are currently being reverted. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 21:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
:::: All edits by all known related user accounts are now reverted. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 22:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
:::::Back, as User:Knson6. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::Blocked, see [[User:Knson6]] and [[:Category:Suspected sockpuppets of Knson]]. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]) 03:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC).
== Drepanocarpus lunatus ==

Hello.

It seems that ”Drepanocarpus lunatus (L.f.) G.Mey“ is a synonym of [[Machaerium lunatum]]. See http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/ild-4437

Currently neither is ”Drepanocarpus lunatus (L.f.) G.Mey“ available in the record of Machaerium lunatum. Neither has Drepanocarpus lunatus a wiki page that redirects to Machaerium lunatum.

If this information is correct, could someone (with more knowledge than me) adding this informations?

Best regards <small>— The preceding [[:w:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Sommerluk|Sommerluk]] ([[User talk:Sommerluk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sommerluk|contribs]]){{#if:10:59, 30 July 2018‎|&#32;10:59, 30 July 2018‎|}}.</small>
:Done. Best regards 17:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]])
:: Dear Andyboorman. Thanks a lot for adding 'Drepanocarpus lunatus' and the other synonyms! Best regards. [[User:Sommerluk|Sommerluk]] ([[User talk:Sommerluk|talk]]) 07:22, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
== [[Phenuiviridae]] ==

The Wikidata bot [[:d:User:Reinheitsgebot]] is linking the page [[Phenuiviridae]] to [[:d:Q1010102]], but that's not correct. Phenuiviridae are a new virus family (2016, published 2017). Instead [[Peribunyaviridae]] should be connected to [[:d:Q1010102]] (renamed from [[Bunyaviridae]] in 2016, published in 2017). But my correction on Wikidata was reverted by the bot.

On the bot's disc [[:d:User_talk:Reinheitsgebot#Q1010102]] I explained, why this connection is not correct, but without reaction. Any ideas, what to do now? --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 10:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

:Technically, the bot did not ''revert'' you; you removed the link (without, I note, adding another), and the bot re-added it. I also note that [[Peribunyaviridae]] is already linked to [[:d:Q29001087]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:38, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

:: I added the correct link before, but that was reverted also (see history). I still don't know, how to clear the situation. --[[User:Murma174|Murma174]] ([[User talk:Murma174|talk]]) 14:16, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
{{Outdent}}
{{Ping|Magnus Manske}} Ping. [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 17:38, 7 August 2018 (UTC).
::: The bot should not change existing sitelinks. It is possible that, because your edit was <1day before, the Labs DB replicas had not caught up, and the bot thought there is no sitelink. Anyway, once "Phenuiviridae" is set as a sitelink on the correct item, the bot should not touch this again, anywhere. --[[User:Magnus Manske|Magnus Manske]] ([[User talk:Magnus Manske|talk]]) 12:33, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
== Same journal? ==

Are the pages ''{{lang|da|[[Videnskabelige Meddelelser fra Dansk Naturhistorisk Forening i Kjøbenhavn]]}}'' and [[ISSN 0373-3874]] (i.e. ''{{lang|da|Videnskabelige Meddelelser fra den Naturhistoriske Forening i Kjøbenhavn}}'') refering to the same Danish journal? If they do, they should be merged. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 10:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC).
:Yes most definitely IMO. IPNI standard form is Vidensk. Meddel. Naturhist. Foren. Kjøbenhavn and ID 1089-2 [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 10:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::Merged. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:56, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 00:44, 25 August 2018 (UTC).
== Species Plantarum Templates ==

This discussion has been transcribed from {{ping|RLJ}} and {{ping|EncycloPetey}} concerning the best template to use when linking to Species Plantarum. I agree a wider discussion is appropriate. In addition, it appears that no one template is perfect!.

There is no need to circumvent the template. It already displays the author's name as part of the template function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
: * I forgot the prefix {{a| . I think a direct link to the author article in such a much-used template is appropriate. Other users see this the same way.
: * The "Tomus" contradicts [[Help:Reference section]] as well as the formats used in IPNI and WCSP. Volume numbers are normally not prefixed by "volume", "Tomus" or whatever. There are users who don't use this template and who correct LSP1 to LSP because of this. The first edition is clear because of the publication year 1753, the second one is additionally indicated in the title..
: * I think it is absolute nonsense to have four templates for the same work: [[Template:LSP]], [[Template:LSP1]], [[Template:Linnaeus, 1753]] and [[Template:Linnaeus, 1753a]], of which three currently have an idiosyncratic format.
: * Other opinions would be of interest. --[[User:RLJ|RLJ]] ([[User talk:RLJ#top|talk]]) 11:23, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
:: {{tl|LSP}} does not allow for a page range. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:27, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
::: * <code><nowiki>{{LSP|1|1–2}}</nowiki></code> -> {{LSP|1|1–2}}
: But let's have a community-wide conversation about what format(s) we want and where to use them. It certainly seems we could reduce the number of templates in use. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Over to the community. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 19:30, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
== A standard for private collections ==

Many species types, especially holotypes are being held in private collections rather then in public museums. Eventually these collections will be transferred to museums (when the collector dies), but we must keep track of these collections in a standard way, the same as we manage the museums. Therefore I recommend to:

# Group the private collections in the same way we do with [[Repositories]] page for the museums, possibly in [[Private collections]].
# Devise standard naming and create a page for each private collection.
# Create a category for each private collection.

Obviously, the collector's name will be part of the page's name.

For example: the collection ''Private collection of Michael Schülke, Berlin'' can be named '''Coll. Michael Schülke''' with page & category carrying the same name. Any ideas? [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 10:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
::Agreed, I would suggest adding the city to the name of the collection and a notation indicating it is private, using your example '''P.Coll. Michael Schülke: Berlin''' cheers [[User:Faendalimas|<span style="color: #004730">Scott Thomson</span>]] (<small class="nickname">Faendalimas</small>) <sup>[[User talk:Faendalimas|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
:: {{Agree}} –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 10:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC).
::: I prefer for clarity to construct the names as follows: {{Talk quotation|<Last + Middle name>, <First name> collection}}. Most of the private collections are of insects and arachnids, which very few users contribute to, hence the little interest in this subject. I created [[Private collections]]; [[Assing, Volker collection]] and [[:Category: Assing, Volker collection]] [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 08:51, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
:::: Agreed. I would suggest the format, '''"Name" Private Collection''' for simplicity and consistency, as example '''Category:Volker Assing Private Collection'''. [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 13:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Burmeister}} As for "Volker Assing" instead of "Assing, Volker", it is always better to use the Last-Name first to keep the alphabetical order more accessible, and since many collection-names are first-name-acronimized in the papers. As for "Private Collection" instead of "Collection", many if not all of these private collections will be deposited eventually in a museum, as a bequest, where they will be called merely "collections", therefore it's better to omit the "private" in the actual names. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 14:13, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::In herpetological collections they use Name-Last pattern, as example G. Brunner Collection, Adolpho Lutz Collection and others, and in wikispecies we already use Name-Last for taxa categories (Category:Volker Assing taxa), so for simplicity and consistency I think '''Name-Last Collection''' more appropriate than '''Last-Name Collection'''; the alphabetical issue may be reach through defaultsort; in the "private" issue i'm agree with you, is unnecessary. [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 14:25, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
{{ping|Burmeister|Tommy Kronkvist|Faendalimas}} On further reflection, and to be consistent with the author handling, I ultimately see the point in what Burmeister is saying. Accordingly, the names will be constructed as follows: {{Talk quotation|<First name> <Last name> private collection}}. For example: [[Volker Assing private collection]] and [[:Category: Volker Assing private collection]]. I hope this settles the issue. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 08:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
: Yep, sounds good to me. Also, ultimately the sorting will be handled by DEFAULTSORT anyway, so we might just as well stick to the naming scheme we already use for all the author pages, e.g. {{nobr|{{tq|<First name> <Last name> ''etc…''}}}} just as Mariusm and Burmeister agreed upon above. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]),22:05, 27 August 2018 (UTC).

: I've added a [[:Category:Private collections]] link to the "See also" sections of the [[:Category:Repositories]], [[Repositories (A–M)]], and [[Repositories (N–Z)]] pages. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 22:15, 27 August 2018 (UTC).

== Bit out of my depth ==

I noticed that [[Abisara aita aita]] & co was on the orphaned pages list. On [[Abisara aita]] (the redirect Archigenes aita) there were red links to [[Archigenes aita aita]], so I figured the pages of the subspecies should be moved to reflect a new genus name. But I realized that I'm a bit out of my depth, both in my knowledge of taxonomy (high-school level) and Wikispecies-specific formatting (the templates). So I figured I'd better ask before I blindly start changing templates and creating new ones. --[[User:Azertus|Azertus]] ([[User talk:Azertus|talk]]) 22:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
== Comb. ined. ==

Does the community think that taxa described as [[comb. ined.]] (combinatio inedita), a provisionally accepted name without published description, deserve their own taxon page or not? Personally I think a discrete taxon page is outside the scope of the project without consensus, but that is just my opinion. Best regards [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 11:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:Generally speaking, I would not create such a taxon page. If it is about a new combination, it means, that a wellknown taxon presently is still classified in another genus or at a different rank, and a reclassification or change of rank is pending. I propose the following solution: create a taxon page under the presently existing validly published name, even if this name is based on an outdated classificaiton, and add a note, possibly at the talk page, which cites sources that suggest, that a change of name (new combination) is pending. Anyway, a new combination does not need a description. So, it seems possible, that WS taxon pages may fulfill all requirements needed to validate a new combination. OK, WS does not have an ISSN or ISBN as required by [http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/pages/main/art_29.html ICN, Art. 29], but sometimes it might happen, that something like [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiReader this] will be created. As far as I see, the requirements of [http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/pages/main/art_41.html ICN, Art. 41] seem to be fulfilled by many of our taxon pages. In my opinion, we should not do anything, which might by chance result in an unintentionial validation of a new combination by WS. Validating new combinations certainly is out of our scope. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 12:04, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::WS, by its open editing policy, would not be sufficiently secure to make valid combination changes. We really can only record published changes. New generic combinations should be treated as page moves, leaving redirects. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 13:04, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Aside from the fact I would refrain from coining names unless they are already used as nom. prov. elsewhere, names that are specifically noted as not published, hence technically not accepted, are automatically excluded from being published ([https://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/pages/main/art_36.html Art. 36.1]). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 01:07, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

== Same author? ==

Does anyone know whether the similarly named pages [[K. Rajmohana]] and [[Rajmohana Keloth]] perhaps refer to the same author? Both are listed as Indian entomologists, and both are mentioned on the [[Rajmohana]] disambiguation page. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 18:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC).

:Not an entomologist, but see [https://hol.osu.edu/agent-full.html?id=19428 here]. [[User:Andyboorman|Andyboorman]] ([[User talk:Andyboorman|talk]]) 19:03, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. Merged into the [[Rajmohana Keloth]] page. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 18:10, 30 August 2018 (UTC).
::It's probably a patronymic, FWIW. [[:en:Patronymic#India|Those are commons]] in part of India (hence the abbreviation). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 18:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the information. Btw, she occasionally also goes by "Mohana S. Kumar" (perhaps she married?) but as far as I can tell that designation is exclusively used for non-scientific matters. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 18:49, 30 August 2018 (UTC).

== Brazilian National Museum ==

{{Image|Maxacalissauro.jpg|''Maxakalisaurus topai'' on display at MNRJ, i.e. the National Museum of Brazil.<br/>Photo from 2006.}}
Brazilian version of Smithsonian Institution, [[MNRJ]], burned down Sept. 2. Apparently all historical, cultural, zoological, botanical and anthropological collections were totally destroyed. The building was 200 years old, and had no fire protection system at all. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 19:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
::It is not only about a missing fire protection system in the building, but it was reported in the news, that the firebrigade had some delay, because two fire hydrants close to the building turned out to be disfunctional. Anyway, fighting a fire with water would not be beneficial for entomological collections. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 22:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

:If I understand [http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2018/09/acabou-tudo-diz-museologo-apos-visitar-destruido-museu-nacional-no-rio.shtml this page] correctly, part of the vertebrate and botany collections possibly have survived - and of course minerals. Let's have some hope. It's a tragedy for the collections - and for the research of the scientists working in this institution. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 20:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:: Reportedly the entire herbarium is perfectly okay (see below), but most other stuff is gone. The museum turned 200 years old in June 6, 2018 and housed well over 20 million items. Not all of them related to biology or taxonomy of course&nbsp;– for instance they had a huge Egyptian collection with mummies and such&nbsp;– but their repositories of biological specimens were extensive. Among them more than 40,000 specimens of molluscs, though some of them are said to have been saved. Sadly most of the museum's other invertebrate specimens&nbsp;– mainly insects and corals –&nbsp; are gone. They did also keep the holotype of ''[[Maxakalisaurus topai]]'', a 13 meter tall long-necked dinosaur and the biggest dinosaur fossil ever found in Brazil. Furthermore the museum was home to the "Luzia Woman", i.e. the 11,500-year-old skeletal remains of a prehistoric woman found in a cave in 1976. Older than the oldest human remains ever found in North America, and considered one of South America's oldest human fossils.<sup><small>[http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/fossils/lapa-vermelha-iv-hominid-1 (Smithsonian)]</small></sup> I'm not 100% certain those particular two specimen were destroyed, but it looks like it. There is a Wikimedia Commons category dedicated to this tragic event, which can be found [[:commons:Category:2018 fire at the Museu Nacional, Rio de Janeiro|here.]]

:: Lastly and as hinted above, there are at least ''some'' good news! It seems that only the museum's main building was damaged by the fire. The museum's fish and reptile specimens, herbarium, and library were housed separately and are thought to have survived.<br/>–[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 20:57, 4 September 2018 (UTC).
:::According to what I read, Luzia was destroyed. No idea on the dinosaur. I think crustacean types were housed near insects. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 22:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
:Not the first collection in Brazil lost in recent history. Most of Instituto Butantan ([[IBSP]]) was lost in 2010. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 23:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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I've [https://twitter.com/Wikispecies/status/1037345557336018946 tweeted about this] on our official {{Twitter|Wikispecies}} Twitter channel. If anyone have media from MNRJ from before the fire, please use the links in the embedded Wikipedia tweet to add them to Wikimedia Commons. Thank you. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 16:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC).

== The problems with naming new species ==

Where one species ends and another species begins? Some biologists are naming new species for the glory of their own reputation, not because the newly named species is really distinct from other close relatives. Listen to [https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2018/aug/03/tricky-taxonomy-the-problems-with-naming-new-species-science-weekly-podcast this podcast] which discusses the issue. [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 09:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, of course, this is an existing issue. However, I am quite sure, that this is neither a new nor an increasing phenomenon − at least concerning botany. At all times, there were some guys, who created lots of "new species", which later ended up in the synonymy. For example, in [[Ochnaceae]] [[Phillippe Édouard Léon van Tieghem]] (1839−1914) or in [[Menispermaceae]] [[John Miers]] (1789–1879) are notorious for having "described" the same species several times under different names − and this in hundreds of cases. My impression is, that in the 19th century this was a habit among scientists much more common than it is today. Regards --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 13:39, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

== Author categories by nationality ==

If I remember correctly consensus is we don't recommend nor should use "narrow" Wikipedia-style categories like the newly created [[:Category:Bulgarian botanists]], attached to a nationality. Instead, we only use more generic categories such as [[:Category:Botanists]] and [[:Category:Palaeontologists]]&nbsp;– or am I wrong? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 23:54, 7 September 2018 (UTC).
:Please, don't start this kind of categories by nationality. Especially in Central Europe, with its many border changes in course of history, there are too many cases, where nationality at least is ambiguous. For example, [[:en:Giovanni Antonio Scopoli|Giovanni Antonio Scopoli]] can be claimed by Austria and Italy, and spent also important periods of his life in territories, which now belong to Slovenia (his main works!) and Slovakia (then Hungary). Better to avoid this battleground of patriots/chauvinists. --[[User:Franz Xaver|Franz Xaver]] ([[User talk:Franz Xaver|talk]]) 07:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::I fully agree, and it wasn't me who created the category. They might be useful at Wikipedia but here at Wikispecies we don't need the categories to be that specific, since true taxonomy knows no national borders. But I need "current consensus" or a link to an already agreed upon decision before I start reverting edits that was clearly made in good faith. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 12:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC).
:::...I agree with Franz Xaver. There are Australian Botanists, Austrian botanists, Bulgarian botanists, Pakistani botanists, Russian botanists, Russian botanists and Turkish botanists. [[User:Orchi|Orchi]] ([[User talk:Orchi|talk]]) 13:02, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Fully agree, no to unnecessary categories. The nationality at author's page is more than enough.--[[User:Hector Bottai|Hector Bottai]] ([[User talk:Hector Bottai|talk]]) 13:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::::: I fully agree, we do not need categories for author nationalities. --[[User:Thiotrix|Thiotrix]] ([[User talk:Thiotrix|talk]]) 16:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::I agree, too. --[[User:RLJ|RLJ]] ([[User talk:RLJ|talk]]) 18:52, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
{{Outdent}} I've now deleted the category. Prior to that all authors listed in it was moved to [[:Category:Botanists]]. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 19:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC).

== Two pages for one species ==

I read at Wikidata, that we have two pages for the same beetle species: ''[[Biralus satellitius]]'' and ''[[Aphodius satellitius]]''. Does someone know, which one is the accepted name, and please merge the pages? Kind regards, --[[User:Thiotrix|Thiotrix]] ([[User talk:Thiotrix|talk]]) 16:15, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
: Perhaps {{Ping|PeterR}} and/or {{Ping|Mariusm}} have access to the proper sources? –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 16:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC).
:: See below in section "Merge or not?" [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 13:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

== Merge or not? ==

I noticed that theres two articles named [[Ting-Kui Qin]] and [[Ting Qin]]. I think it is possible that those two names actually represent the same individual person (At Wikidata theres just one: [[Wikidata:Q21394816]]. Does anyone have more information, and can confirm? [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 18:31, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

And the two [[Aphodius satellitius]] (added 2006 by {{ping|Arachn0}}) and [[Biralus satellitius]] (added 2017 by {{ping|Mariusm}}) seem to be the same species? Please see discussion on Wikidata at [[Wikidata:Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Taxonomy#Biralus_satellitius_(Q14897972)_and_Aphodius_satellitius_(Q1868625)|Biralus satellitius (Q14897972) and Aphodius satellitius (Q1868625)]] [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 19:27, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

: [[Ting Qin]] is entomologist, while [[Ting-Kui Qin]] is acarologist. Probable overlap is limited. Also, it is quite unusual for Chinese names to vary much, unlike South American names. I would say they were two different people. Of course it would be very nice if people added useful information when creating author pages. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 00:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

::Ideally, we would have Hanzi when adding character names, but finding that information is very difficult. Ting Qin is apparently associated with South China Agricultural University ([[SCAU]]) While Ting-Kui has been primarily associated with isntitutions in Australian and new Zealand. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 02:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

:::Thank you, I added [[Ting Qin]] on Wikidata. [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 13:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

::: Following Dellacasa ''et al.'' (2001) and Dellacasa ''et al.'' (2016) the subgenus ''Aphodius (Biralus)'' is promoted to genus, therefore I redirected ''Aphodius satellitius'' to ''[[Biralus satellitius]]''.
::: [See: <small>{{aut|Dellacasa, G., Bordat, P., Dellacasa, M.}} 2001. A revisional essay of world genus-group taxa of Aphodiinae (Coleoptera: Aphodiidae). ''Memorie della Società Entomologica Italiana'' 79: 1-482.; {{aut|Dellacasa, G., Dellacasa, M., Král, D., Bezděk, A.}} 2016. Tribe Aphodiini Leach, 1815. ''In'': Löbl I. and Löbl D. (Eds.); ''Catalogue of Palaearctic Coleoptera, Scarabaeoidea, Scirtoidea, Dascilloidea, Buprestoidea, Byrrhoidea. Revised and Updated Edition.'' Brill, Leiden/Boston, 3: 98-155</small>] [[User:Mariusm|Mariusm]] ([[User talk:Mariusm|talk]]) 13:04, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

::::Thank you, {{ping|Mariusm}}.

Another possible merge is Colombian entomologist [[Alexander García García]] ), created 2018 by {{ping|User:PeterR}} (and has Wikidata [[Wikidata:Q22106821]]) and [[Alexander García]], (no Wikidata) created 2015 by {{ping|Neferkheperre}}? [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 17:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
: In this case the taxon names of the four new names reportedly published in <code>{{Tl|Ardila-Camacho & García, 2015}}</code> would be helpful, but unfortunately I haven't got access to the full paper. Anyone? As a last resort I guess a complete list of all new species described in 2015 within the Mantispidae family would do, but such a list might be even harder to come by... [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 21:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC).
::Seems a pretty obvious identical case to me, but... ''[[Trichoscelia andina]]'', ''[[Trichoscelia gorgonensis]]'', ''[[Trichoscelia karijona]]'' and ''[[Leptomantispa hoffmani]]'' are it (all credited to Ardila-Camacho). [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] ([[User talk:Circeus|talk]]) 22:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks. Indeed it looks like they are the same person. I guess the author's name is Alexander García and that "Alexander García García" is simply a typo. –[[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 23:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC).
::::I just looked at both Garcias. Both have exact same institutional affiliation, which would lean towards them being one person. When I looked into {{ping|PeterR}}'s entry and mine, there were no errors in transcription by either of us. So any error is by one of the journals. We may have to research into independent avenues. [[User:Neferkheperre|Neferkheperre]] ([[User talk:Neferkheperre|talk]]) 23:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::[https://udistrital.pure.elsevier.com/en/persons/alexander-garc%C3%ADa-garc%C3%ADa Udistrital] and [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alexander_Garcia_Garcia ResearchGate], both cite Alexander García García. [[User:Burmeister|Burmeister]] ([[User talk:Burmeister|talk]]) 23:30, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

:::::: Checked both Full Articles PDF, one is García and the other García García, same institution. At researchgate García García. Obvious same person. Please Merge. García García should prevail.--[[User:Hector Bottai|Hector Bottai]] ([[User talk:Hector Bottai|talk]]) 00:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
{{Outdent}}
Thanks to you all. Please go ahead with the merge if you feel up to it. Personally I'm busy creating a ''new'' author page&nbsp;– for [[Alexander García Antón]]... :-) [[User:Tommy Kronkvist|Tommy Kronkvist]] ([[User talk:Tommy Kronkvist|talk]]), 00:25, 11 September 2018 (UTC).
:Agree, thanks everybody, now merged and deleted the error file. [[User:Dan Koehl|Dan Koehl]] ([[User talk:Dan Koehl|talk]]) 00:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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