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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that an antique inscription from Germany has been read by "unrolling" it virtually?

Source: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/world/article296997439.html

ALT1: ... that the first known follower of Christianity north of the Alps came from Frankfurt am Main? Source: https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/archaeology-around-the-world/article-833093
ALT2: ... that a recently discovered amulet may rewrite the history of Christianity? Source: https://greekreporter.com/2024/12/13/early-christian-inscription-northern-europe-rewrite-history/
ALT3: ... that prior to the recent discovery of an exclusively Christian inscription, all similar examples also invoked Germanic deities? Source: https://www.evangelisch.de/inhalte/237124/11-12-2024/aufregender-fund-frankfurt-geschichte-des-christentums-neu-schreiben
ALT4: ... that archeologists read an antique inscription from Germany by "unrolling" it virtually? Source: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nation-world/world/article296997439.html
ALT5: ... that an amulet discovered in a Roman cemetery in Germany contains the earliest known written use of the Trisagion? Source: https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/archaeology-around-the-world/article-833093
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Comment: This discovery is currently in the news, as it was announced just two days ago. I considered nominating it for WP:ITN, but I think it suites DYK better. Without the qualifier "from Germany" (in main hook and ALT4), readers may assume this to be about the more well known Herculaneum papyri, which were featured in DYK 13 years ago (25 August 2011).

Created by Renerpho (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Renerpho (talk) 18:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Comment The article by Huld-Zetsche [1] isn't available online (all the other references are). This is actually the exact same source used to create this map. Renerpho (talk) 10:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Fascinating piece of archaeology. Hook facts are interesting and cited. Article is new enough and long enough, neutral. Earwig does not show any concerns, though AGF on German references. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Chris! To the user who promotes to the queue: I don't have strong preferences for one hook over the others; whatever best fits for the day. :) Renerpho (talk) 23:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Context of early Bible translations

I am looking for reliable sources that talk specifically about the Latin translation of Philippians 2:10–11 (QVONIAM IHS XR OMNES(T) GENVA FLECTENT CAELESTES TERRESTRES ET INFERI ET OMNIS LINGVA CONFITEATVR, vs. the later Vulgate translation ut in nomine Iesu omne genu flectatur caelestium et terrestrium et infernorum, et omnis lingua confiteatur). This seems significant in the context of early Latin translations of the Bible. Isn't this one of the earliest known fragments of the New Testament in Latin? If anyone finds sources that discuss this, please comment.

Our article about Vetus Latina states that Vetus Latina ("Old Latin" in Latin) [...] is the collective name given to the Latin translations of biblical texts (both Old Testament and New Testament) that preceded the Vulgate (the Latin translation produced by Jerome in the late 4th century). [...] The Vetus Latina manuscripts that are preserved today are dated from AD 350 to the 13th century. (my emphasis) Renerpho (talk) 10:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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