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Section sizes Section size for Major League Soccer (37 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 10,966 10,966 Competition format 9,351 19,154 Other competitions 9,803 9,803 Clubs 7,940 13,651 Former clubs 882 882 Timeline 4,829 4,829 History 3,014 64,889 Establishment and shootout era 12,279 12,279 Resurgence 5,190 5,190 Arrival of Designated Players 7,761 7,761 Expansion of the league 31,745 36,645 Expansion fees 4,900 4,900 League championships 5,697 5,697 Organization 18 90,657 Ownership 7,540 7,540 League executives 1,768 1,768 Player acquisition and salaries 9,735 14,674 Designated Players and allocation money 4,939 4,939 Youth development 8,228 8,228 Stadiums 21,176 21,176 Profitability and revenues 29,441 29,441 Rules and officials 2,868 2,868 Branding 1,814 4,944 Team names 3,130 3,130 Media coverage 125 16,379 MLS Season Pass on Apple TV 2,154 2,154 United States 6,678 6,678 Canada 3,888 3,888 International 2,563 2,563 Video games 971 971 Player records 5,930 8,269 Player records (active) 2,339 2,339 MLS awards 1,217 1,217 Notes 27 27 See also 423 423 References 72 72 External links 1,053 1,053 Total 232,454 232,454

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Add FC Cincinnati to the table of winners. 0 MLS Cups, 1 Supporters' Shield (2023), 5 seasons. 2600:2B00:7ECE:5B00:8BD6:9E8:BFF7:DF2A (talk) 00:08, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 20:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's fairly confusing to see clubs 'founded' in 1975 only to click on the article to find they were founded in 2007 or similar. The date of the foundation of the current club should be used 80.194.54.138 (talk) 21:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree with that. "Claimed founding" years have been added and removed from this article several times. Some of the founding years are quite egregious too, particulary the four clubs claiming to have been founded in the 70s. All of those teams have had stretches of inactivity before a new team was founded with the same name (Vancouver: 1985–86, Portland: 1983–84, 1991–2000, Seattle: 1984–93, San Jose: 1989–95). BLAIXX 14:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The teams and secondary sources use the NASL founding dates rather than the USL ones, so I don't think we should be making that call here. SounderBruce 04:45, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of the founding years are cited in that table so it's not really not clear to the reader where these numbers come from. Using Seattle as an example, most sources I see list 2007 as the founding date. I know the club is promoting "1974" with the new logo and the 50th anniversary but it still feels misleading to me and not universally backed up by secondary sources. Same goes for the other phoenix clubs. BLAIXX 14:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to edit (oopsies), but as of 2024, Gyasi Zardes is a top 10 MLS all-time goalscorer. List needs to be updated. SlossEdits (talk) 21:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note that a user changed the heading of a section from Teams to Clubs. Out of the six major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada, Major League Soccer is the only one that predominantly uses the term Clubs, as many of their team names are preceded or succeeded by 'FC', where FC = Football Club. This is also how they are listed on their website. While I'm not opposed to this change, I wanted to point out that the National Football League page went through a similar discussion. So, if 'club' is the accepted term, then other references to 'teams' should be changed as well. Assadzadeh (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MLS follows international soccer conventions for some terms; in my view, "club" refers to the organization as the whole while "team" is only the first-team squad. They are interchangeable in most contexts on Wikipedia, similar to how ties/draws are treated in American soccer articles, so making a whole thing out of a change would be pointless busywork. SounderBruce 05:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback. I think at a minimum it should be changed in the intro section, the infobox, and the tables under the 'Clubs' section. Assadzadeh (talk) 20:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Under League championships, this article states 'As of the 2023 season, 32 different clubs have competed in the league, with 15 having won at least one MLS Cup' with a table below titled MLS Cup titles and Supporters' Shield wins.

List of MLS Cup finals#Results by team states 'As of 2024, 19 of the 32 teams that have played in the league have appeared at an MLS Cup final, and 15 have won a championship' with a table below titled MLS Cup appearances by team.

MLS Cup#MLS Cup titles states the same as above, but with yet a different table below it.

So, to avoid discrepancies and having to update three separate articles, consider using one format for the table, using the latest 'As of' statement, and then linking to it from the other two articles. Assadzadeh (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For a team name such as FC Cincinnati, should it be listed alphabetically under F for FC or C for Cincinnati? The same for any other team whose nickname comes before the city name. I and @Blaixx believe that it should be listed alphabetically under the city name. However, a user keeps reverting our edits. Here is a discussion between the user and myself. Assadzadeh (talk) 01:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I only keep reverting their edits as Wikipedia (the site which we are currently on) counts prefiexes when corting teams into alphabetically order. So my thinking is if the website does it that way, that's the way it should be. Also it's how I was taught and what I mostly see in the area around me on the daily 2607:FEA8:4A5C:7600:5C3B:2C24:11FC:FDFE (talk) 02:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note that you have made the same changes to MLS Next Pro, USL Championship, USL Super League, and USL League One. The fact that all of these pages follow the same format should be enough to convince you that it's standard practice to alphabetize by city name. So, I would suggest that you stop until consensus has been reached.

The sorting can be fixed by adding, as an example, the code {{sort|Cincinnati|[[FC Cincinnati]]}}, which would then sort under C and not F. Assadzadeh (talk) 02:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]