• Option 1: Change the language.
• Option 2: Keep the language.

19:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• A: Yes to both
• B: Yes to the first question, no to the second one
• C: No to both

~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

This has previously been discussed at Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#"Kurdish-Iranian" at Mahsa Amini, Talk:Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#Mahsa Amini was a Kurdish-Iranian and Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini#Kurdish-Iranian. TarnishedPath^talk 02:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Prior discussions have occured at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive364#Matt Gaetz, Talk:Matt Gaetz#Criminal allegations in the lede and Talk:Matt Gaetz#LEAD weight TarnishedPath^talk 04:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Given the legal presumption of innocence, criminal proceedings including those against prominent public persons, should not be mentioned on the main page of the encyclopdia until the cases are resolved either by conviction or acquittal. Any appellate proceedings shall have no bearing on whether or not to post the initial findings of a duly constituted court of law."

I have decided to post this as an RfC as this would involve a non-trivial amendment to WP:POLICY and the issue has become a contentious point of debate involving several nominations at WP:ITNC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Difference between revisions

Prior discussions on this topic here and here. Buffalkill (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

In October 2024, researchers from the European Molecular Biology Laboratory tested the influence of insecticides, herbicides, fungicides and plant growth inhibitors in the laboratory against to larvae of the fruit fly, caterpillars of painted lady butterflies (Vanessa cardui) and in larvae of mosquitoes (Anopheles stephensi). Results suggested that agrochemical exposure, even at sublethal levels, affects insect populations.[1]

Thanks for your comments! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Possible answers:

• No, it should not be linked
• Yes, it should be linked in the lead.
• Yes, it should be linked from the body of the article (please specify which paragraph)

cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Whilst not really been discussed here is has elsewhere, so it seems appropriate to ask here. Slatersteven (talk) 14:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

This has been nagging at me for a while now, and since another editor has talked to me about this issue, I think we bring this up. Since we have a sort of "inclusion criteria" for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles, I suggest we come up with notability criteria for individual tornadoes as well. I'll be copy-and-pasting this from User:EF5/My tornado criteria:

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In the case of a monotypic genus, the species and genus are covered in a single article. See WP:MONOTYPICFLORA and WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA for more advice.

to the lead of this notability guideline? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• 
  A: Color-calibrated picture (view in article)
• 
  B: NASA picture
  (view in article)
• 
  C: 2018 NASA image
  (view in article)

Prior discussion:

• Talk:Earth/Archive_17#Photographic_representation_of_earth
• Talk:Earth/Archive_18#Photographic_representation_of_Earth
• Talk:Earth#Caption_for_main_photo

WhatisMars (talk) 19:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

In October 2024, researchers from the European Molecular Biology Laboratory tested the influence of insecticides, herbicides, fungicides and plant growth inhibitors in the laboratory against to larvae of the fruit fly, caterpillars of painted lady butterflies (Vanessa cardui) and in larvae of mosquitoes (Anopheles stephensi). Results suggested that agrochemical exposure, even at sublethal levels, affects insect populations.[2]

Thanks for your comments! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

1. Generally reliable
2. Additional considerations apply
3. Generally unreliable
4. Deprecated

Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

It concerns the paragraph introducing the quoted excerpt in the section currently titled "Excerpt of Ibn Zamrak's poem on the basin" (about an inscription carved into the courtyard's fountain). It currently reads as:

The poet and minister Ibn Zamrak wrote a poem to describe the beauty of the courtyard. It also describes the fountain's hydraulic system.^[3][4] It is carved around the rim of the basin:^[5]

The proposed expansion would read as:

Carved around the rim of the basin is a poem of twelve verses by the vizier and poet Ibn Zamrak. Six of the verses originate, with minor modifications, from a longer qasida of 146 verses that Ibn Zamrak composed for the banquet honoring the circumcision of Muhammad V's son, Abd Allah.^[6] Verses from the same qasida are also included in the Hall of the Two Sisters.^[6] The first part of the poem refers specifically to the fountain^[5] and alludes to how its hydraulic system functioned.^[3][4] Below is an excerpt (verses 3 to 7):^[5]

If accepted, further copy-edits or suggestions about wording are also welcome. If relevant for context, the reasons for starting this RfC are this edit and this revert, along with the discussion above. R Prazeres (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Option A WP:Verifiability in primary sources (i.e. the works of fiction themselves)
• Option B Verifiability in secondary/tertiary sources
• Option C WP:Notability (corresponding to WP:CSC #1)

TompaDompa (talk) 16:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

My personal views: I have written a lot of the section on right-wing populists in the factions section. There is too much to list here. But the key is the party's demographic base shift:

• Demographically, the Republican Party has lost its prior majority support from White voters with college degrees it had since Eisenhower and Goldwater (1950s & 1960s) to 2012. The party also has roughly 2:1 support from White voters with college degrees. Non-whites are harder to get a good read on, but in 2024 Trump won close to a majority of Hispanic voters, what appears to be a majority of Native American voters, and a significant percentage of Asian American voters. Trump won at most about 15% of African American voters.

Also I created two bar plots of the states Trump and Harris won by educational attainment. Except for New Mexico, every single state Harris won had above-average educational attainment. Trump did win four states (Utah, Pennsylvania, Kansas, and North Carolina) with above-average educational attainment, but his core strength was with below-average educational attainment states.

It appears that the key dividing line between the two parties is education. The income divide appears to have inverted, with Harris winning a majority of voters who made over $200,000 a year. Trump won 56% of voters without a college degree, and 42% of voters with a college degree. Harris won 56% of voters with a college degree, and 42% of voters without a college degree. These are mirror images of each other. The reason Trump won is 43% of voters have college degrees, and 57% don't.

Note: I am a statistician, and this data comes from the exit polls and Census data. I don't make the data, just analyze it. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Question 1: Should this article mention the John Conyers report "What Went Wrong In Ohio"
• Question 2: If so, what wording should be used?

Toa Nidhiki05 18:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

"Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible" Bob drobbs (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

This has previously been discussed at Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#"Kurdish-Iranian" at Mahsa Amini, Talk:Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#Mahsa Amini was a Kurdish-Iranian and Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini#Kurdish-Iranian. TarnishedPath^talk 02:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Prior discussions have occured at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive364#Matt Gaetz, Talk:Matt Gaetz#Criminal allegations in the lede and Talk:Matt Gaetz#LEAD weight TarnishedPath^talk 04:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Given the legal presumption of innocence, criminal proceedings including those against prominent public persons, should not be mentioned on the main page of the encyclopdia until the cases are resolved either by conviction or acquittal. Any appellate proceedings shall have no bearing on whether or not to post the initial findings of a duly constituted court of law."

I have decided to post this as an RfC as this would involve a non-trivial amendment to WP:POLICY and the issue has become a contentious point of debate involving several nominations at WP:ITNC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

1."This came at a cost. Assange recounted the legal attacks ('lawfare'), surveillance, and various illegal CIA plots against him, describing it as a form of transnational repression. "—— Chip Gibbons, Jacobin

2."The PACE resolution said it was 'alarmed' by reports that the CIA was covertly surveying Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and 'allegedly developing plans to poison or even assassinate him on United Kingdom soil'.[PACE] reiterates its condemnation of all forms and practices of transnational repression"—— In the chapter "Transnational repression" Radio France Internationale

Should these information to be added here? Someone insists to delete these with the reason WP:DUE. But I think these should be remained for

1. Assange is name prominent adherent; "Jacobin" and "RFI" are mainstream media; So it is qualified for WP:DUE.

2. The removing of these information is against "does not mean the exclusion of certain points of view; rather, it means including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight.", because none point of these information will be remained.

I want to write these as:

"In Assange's 2024 October speech to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, he recounted the legal attacks (“lawfare”), surveillance, and various illegal CIA plots against him and described it as a form of transnational repression.^[7] The PACE resolution saided that, it was "alarmed" by reports that the CIA was covertly surveying Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and reiterated its condemnation of all forms and practices of transnational repression.^[8]" diff

--MINQI (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Possible answers:

• No, it should not be linked
• Yes, it should be linked in the lead.
• Yes, it should be linked from the body of the article (please specify which paragraph)

cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

In October 2024, researchers from the European Molecular Biology Laboratory tested the influence of insecticides, herbicides, fungicides and plant growth inhibitors in the laboratory against to larvae of the fruit fly, caterpillars of painted lady butterflies (Vanessa cardui) and in larvae of mosquitoes (Anopheles stephensi). Results suggested that agrochemical exposure, even at sublethal levels, affects insect populations.[9]

Thanks for your comments! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

This has previously been discussed at Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#"Kurdish-Iranian" at Mahsa Amini, Talk:Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#Mahsa Amini was a Kurdish-Iranian and Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini#Kurdish-Iranian. TarnishedPath^talk 02:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Should the "notable people" section in this article be:

• A: Deleted
• B: Kept as a bulleted list of notable people
• C: Converted to prose description / narrative list of notable people
• D: Converted to prose description / narrative list and limited to the following people: ______, ______, _______, etc.
• E: Something else

(I included the above options as those that appear to have been supported by at least one person in the informal discussion. My apologies if I missed or misrepresented something.) Chetsford (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

10. Meet the following criteria for the the respective single seater series: A driver who has met at least one of the following criteria for single seater racing:

• Completion of one full season or a race winner in a Formula Regional series.
• Completion of one full season or a race winner in W Series/F1 Academy.
• Podium finish in the Macau Grand Prix (single seater).
• Champion or runner up in a Formula 4 series.

note: strikethrough text was replaced by underlined text after the proposal per the discussion.

GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

This has previously been discussed at Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#"Kurdish-Iranian" at Mahsa Amini, Talk:Mahsa Amini/Archive 1#Mahsa Amini was a Kurdish-Iranian and Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini#Kurdish-Iranian. TarnishedPath^talk 02:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Option A WP:Verifiability in primary sources (i.e. the works of fiction themselves)
• Option B Verifiability in secondary/tertiary sources
• Option C WP:Notability (corresponding to WP:CSC #1)

TompaDompa (talk) 16:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Option 1 – Require former administrators to request restoration of their tools at the bureaucrats' noticeboard (BN) if they are eligible to do so (i.e., they do not fit into any of the exceptions).
• Option 2 – Clarify that former administrators who would be eligible to request restoration via BN may instead request restoration of their tools via a voluntary request for adminship (RfA).
• Option 3 – Allow bureaucrats to SNOW-close RfAs as successful if (a) 48 hours have passed, (b) the editor has right of resysop, and (c) a SNOW close is warranted.

Background: This issue arose in one recent RfA and is currently being discussed in an ongoing RfA. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

1. Should the lead of the current guideline be replaced with lead of the rewrite?
2. Should the "Common newcomer scenarios" section and the "How to avoid being a "biter" section of the current guideline be replaced with "How to avoid biting" section of the rewrite?
3. Should the "Ignorantia juris may excuse" section of the current guideline be replaced with the "It is okay not to be aware of guidelines" section of the rewrite?
4. Should the "What to do if you feel you have "bitten" or "have been bitten" section of the current guideline be replaced with the "I have bitten someone—what do I do?" section of the rewrite?

The proposed rewrite can be found here: Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers/rewrite. Please refrain from making significant changes to the rewrite while the RfC is ongoing. Also see the idea lab discussion: Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Rewriting WP:BITE. After the last RfC, User:Alalch E. has done work on cleaning up the "Understanding newcomers" section. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

In the case of a monotypic genus, the species and genus are covered in a single article. See WP:MONOTYPICFLORA and WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA for more advice.

to the lead of this notability guideline? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

10. Meet the following criteria for the the respective single seater series: A driver who has met at least one of the following criteria for single seater racing:

• Completion of one full season or a race winner in a Formula Regional series.
• Completion of one full season or a race winner in W Series/F1 Academy.
• Podium finish in the Macau Grand Prix (single seater).
• Champion or runner up in a Formula 4 series.

note: strikethrough text was replaced by underlined text after the proposal per the discussion.

GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Given the legal presumption of innocence, criminal proceedings including those against prominent public persons, should not be mentioned on the main page of the encyclopdia until the cases are resolved either by conviction or acquittal. Any appellate proceedings shall have no bearing on whether or not to post the initial findings of a duly constituted court of law."

I have decided to post this as an RfC as this would involve a non-trivial amendment to WP:POLICY and the issue has become a contentious point of debate involving several nominations at WP:ITNC. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Option 1a: When using Special:MergeHistory, a null edit should be placed in both the merge target and merge source's page's histories stating that a history merge took place.

  (phab:T341760: Special:MergeHistory should place a null edit in the page's history describing the merge, authored Jul 13 2023)

• Option 1b: When using Special:MergeHistory, add a log entry recorded for the articles at the both HistMerge target and source that records the existence of a history merge.

  (phab:T118132: Merging pages should add a log entry to the destination page, authored Nov 8 2015)

• Option 2: Do not log the use of the Special:MergeHistory tool at the merge target, maintaining the current status quo.

Should the use of the HistMerge tool be explicitly logged? If so, should the use be logged via an entry in the page history or should it instead be held in a dedicated log? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 15:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

In the case of a monotypic genus, the species and genus are covered in a single article. See WP:MONOTYPICFLORA and WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA for more advice.

to the lead of this notability guideline? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Option 1a: When using Special:MergeHistory, a null edit should be placed in both the merge target and merge source's page's histories stating that a history merge took place.

  (phab:T341760: Special:MergeHistory should place a null edit in the page's history describing the merge, authored Jul 13 2023)

• Option 1b: When using Special:MergeHistory, add a log entry recorded for the articles at the both HistMerge target and source that records the existence of a history merge.

  (phab:T118132: Merging pages should add a log entry to the destination page, authored Nov 8 2015)

• Option 2: Do not log the use of the Special:MergeHistory tool at the merge target, maintaining the current status quo.

Should the use of the HistMerge tool be explicitly logged? If so, should the use be logged via an entry in the page history or should it instead be held in a dedicated log? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 15:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)