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Removal of Consumer Brands accepting Bitcoin Cash

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@Grayfell -- notes per the removed lines:

On the DISH point, "regurgitated" or not, that is RS. But a passing mention, so fair enough.

For AMC, Gucci, and Tag Heuer, yes, this article is not about BitPay, but BitPay is a very common tool for businesses to accept cryptocurrencies. I do not understand how this would not be relevant. Business choose what currencies they want to accept through BitPay. It is not every crypto BitPay supports. That makes it relevant. But for sources, I was just about to add another when I noticed the removal. https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/12/22779137/amc-theaters-movie-tickets-cryptocurrency-bitcoin-cash-ethereum-litecoin -- RS; this doesn't even mention BitPay, but since there is RS also mentioning BitPay, both should be included. Yes, one of four currencies (bitcoin, Ethereum, and Litecoin), but those four were chosen. If it should be written such as this "AMC began accepting Bitcoin Cash, bitcoin, Ethereum, and Litecoin in 2021," then that makes a lot of sense to me. These are not small nor insignificant brands, and these brands chose these currencies, so suggesting this would be "promo" seems odd to me. ILoveFinance (talk) 14:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per The Verge article: I don’t own cryptocurrency, so I can’t personally verify how to use it to buy things online with AMC. However, at checkout on AMC’s website, PayPal is listed as a payment method with the note that it “supports cryptocurrencies.” Presumably, that means you’ll have to log in with your PayPal account and select any cryptocurrency that’s accessible there to pay for tickets or concessions. PayPal appears to be the only way to pay with cryptocurrency at AMC for the moment, so if you would prefer to use a different method, you might be out of luck right now.[1]
The author of that article openly admits they don't know how this works, and cannot be arsed to find out. This source is nothing at all, and is, yet again, a good example of why you should stop trying to edit backwards.
Not every isolated, context-free fact belong in this (or any) article, and Wikipedia isn't a platform for promotion or advocacy. If you don't see why this is promotional, I don't know what to tell you. Using Wikipedia to artificially inflate the importance of a cryptocurrency by misrepresenting obscure sources is functionally promoting that cryptocurrency. Grayfell (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you claim the first article is not relevant, then? You haven't disagreed with any other point from above. ILoveFinance (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To specifically highlight, the brands had to choose to accept Bitcoin Cash alongside the other cryptos. Companies select what currencies they want to accept, it will not be every currency BitPay offers. ILoveFinance (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, not to incessantly comment, but the point of the Verge article wasn't to use it specifically for the line, rather, in consideration of the tweet from the CEO that is in the article, where Adam Aron called out Bitcoin, Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash, and Litecoin. A major figure representing an international franchise. ILoveFinance (talk) 23:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Step outside of the crypto bubble for a second. Many commercial websites which offer international shipping choose to provide a drop-down menu of different currencies for prices, which are then applied to products across the entire site. This is straightforward, but it not trivial to implement and is almost always done via an intermediary payment processor. The payment processor converts the money for the company, but this is still a conscious choice from those companies, and they choose which currencies are used. If any wiki article for a commercial service mentioned this it would be an instant red-flag for being spam or paid editing.
That a crypto payment company would offer a similar (but less convenient) service is pure trivia. These flimsy sources do not make it any less trivial. These companies are not accepting BCash, they are taking payments which are converted into a single currency via an intermediary service. This is similar to a company taking payment in dollars, euros, and pounds via Square or Paypal or whatever. The main difference is the addition of yet another middle-man, but it's trivial regardless.
That a memestock CEO would make a tweet hyping a cryptocurrency service is bland hype. Again, it isn't enough to list facts in isolation, we need to use reliable sources to explain to disinterested readers why these otherwise trivial details are encyclopedically significant. In this case, that appears to be impossible. Grayfell (talk) 23:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this -- I don't disagree with you on much of this. I also agree with @Jtbobwaysf 100% that this is not a list of places that accept Bitcoin Cash. No doubt about it.
My contention is that these are non-trivial businesses that are choosing to accept it, whereas they could have chosen to not accept it. To me, that gives it relevance. But we're at a difference of opinion, and I don't have more reason than that as to why it was included. Was simply a good faith argument of why to include.
Thanks ILoveFinance (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any small or medium sized biz is pretty much trivial for wikipedia. We do include some governments accepting ethereum and bitcoin and can maybe also do this for bitcoin cash. But what you are referring to as major is probably undue in both its inclusion and also the puffery of the businesses that are receiving it. Your edits on this article now appear to be promotional of the article subject. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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What is with the silly lead for Bitcoin Cash? Why are there derogatory terms for Bitcoin Cash in the lead? The lead is supposed to be an introduction to Bitcoin Cash and summarize its most important features (WP:Lead), instead the lead mentions Bitcoin Cash is an altcoin of Bitcoin - another derogatory term and misleading as to the purpose of Bitcoin Cash. Does the valuable real-estate of the lead as "the first thing most people read upon arriving at an article" need to mention splits of BSV? This lead is the exact opposite of what a proper lead should be. We can do better than this surely. Nlovisa (talk) 23:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We use WP:LEAD, and generally speaking the purpose of the lead is to summarize and describe what the subject is. It is not a space for promotion. Is it your opinion that the subject is not an altcoin? It is also useful to link to the BSV article, I dont understand why these wikilinks could be considered derogatory as you assert (assuming this is what you are asserting). Jtbobwaysf (talk) 02:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]