User talk:GreenLoeb

Nixon was a moderate, he has Gerald Ford as vice president who was a liberal, he promoted state regulation in the economy and contributed to the civil rights platform of the modern liberal agenda, he was a classical liberal, conservative liberal or a moderate. Johnymin (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for messaging me. However, we have already established consensus on the US Conservatism talk page in the past as regards Nixon's inclusion. I could offer you several accounts of Nixon's role in the conservative movement and his essential conservatism: "Age of Entitlement" and "Regime Change, American Style" by Christopher Caldwell, Nathan Pinkoski's piece on Nixon in the pages of Compact magazine, Rick Perlstein's four-volume history of postwar conservatism, especially the second volume "Nixonland" and the third volume "The Invisible Bridge." I can offer more if you remain unconvinced after reading all of these. In any case, Nixon was essential to the rise and formation of postwar conservatism; he was the fiercest anti-Communist in the House of Representatives before he became VP; he pursued classically conservative policies when it came to IR realism, peace through strength, cultural politics, and the Wars on Drugs and Crime. State regulation is frankly in no way "anti-conservative" unless one defines conservatism to basically just mean whatever libertarian agenda is being pushed by the Kochs; tariffs, pro-labor policy, industrial policy, and nationalistic regulation were key parts of conservatism before Reagan, and are becoming key to contemporary conservatism once more as we see the ill fruits born by four decades of globalization. I'm tagging @Trakking and @Biohistorian15 here since they were involved in previous conversations on this topic. I am readding Nixon once again; please do not remove him unless you can establish consensus to do so, and in future please post these queries to the relevant talk page rather than to my personal one. Thank you kindly. GreenLoeb (talk) 20:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being anti communist doesn’t make you conservative, you Americans are highly polarized and bipartician, what you call fiscal conservatism , centrism and moderate conservative is called liberal in the rest of the world. He spoke to a big tent public, going from liberalism to conservatism, but you associate liberal to modern liberal that in the rest of the world is kind of moderate social democracy or justicialista Johnymin (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justicialism* Johnymin (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean also that Nixon tried to do associate himself with some modern liberal positions, different from Reagan or Bush, even Bush is a liberal conservative Johnymin (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being a classical or conservative liberal is not an insult, that’s because the Democratic Party co-opted the term when in the XIX century they were the conservative party Johnymin (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you addressing me like I am retarded? I don't think conservative liberal is an insult, man, I am a political theory PhD., not a rouge commenter on InfoWars. GreenLoeb (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your downtalking to me with this "Oh you simple minded Americans" bullshit makes clear your fundamental lack of seriousness. I can tell you, having worked on and spent years reading academic history on US conservatism, my position has better backing than yours. I gave you multiple sources, and you are replying to me with Political Compass Meme-tier references to minor ideologies. You are thinking in terms of minor factions; sure, okay, whatever. The fact of the matter is that Nixon was deeply important to the history of movement conservatism in the United States, and there is just no papering over this. GreenLoeb (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But not Roosevelt Johnymin (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

??? Okay ??? GreenLoeb (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If can adopt liberal as an ideology, not the fake democrat liberalism, you would gain too much votes than Trump won I promise you Johnymin (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you* Johnymin (talk) 21:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The GOP has great liberals, Abraham Lincoln, Grant, Hayes Johnymin (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also Roosevelt, the Whig party had a liberal tradition also, I think the battle in the future is liberty against state Johnymin (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Trump understands it well, he at some points is like a Nixon or Gerald Ford, a big tent politician, he’s becoming more centrist Johnymin (talk) 21:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Nothing in terms of what you or I think about the "battle of the future" or anything like this has any relevance whatsoever to our editing of an encyclopedia. My talk page is not the place for you to be giving me your views on contemporary politics, which frankly I don't care about. GreenLoeb (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are not better o worse people, I’m saying for example that believing in limited government is not conservative. Trump sometimes says that he’s not a conservative, and in an interview he linked himself with Rockefeller republicans. Johnymin (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nixon needed to win, what would happen at that time if he talked only to liberal republicans, moderates and classically liberal democrats, he would lose, he needed the conservative vein, but he was a moderate. Johnymin (talk) 21:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed D'Souza for notability reasons but I may be out of touch with conservative culture so I'll give you lead way for that. Yedaman54 (talk) 01:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His star has certainly fallen over the past few years, given both his own scandals and also the fact that his brand of conservatism is deeply out of touch with present-day concerns, stuck in the Reaganite mold he was raised in. It has little appeal now, and so he's turned more and more to profiting off of bad movies based around conspiracy theories that he himself probably does not even actually believe. But his importance historically is great enough that I think for now we ought to keep him. GreenLoeb (talk) 01:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]