Talk:1452/1453 mystery eruption

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The articles 1452/1453 mystery eruption and 1458 mystery eruption seem to have an overlapping scope - this study claims that in Antarctica there is evidence for two separate eruptions, but it's not clear which of them the other sources/content refers to. Moreover, the attribution of either to Kuwae is question able. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. In view of the uncertainties, I think it is too early to decide on a possible merger. We should wait until the picture becomes clearer. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we should wait until the picture becomes clearer. Volcanoguy 01:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current consensus in the ice core community is that there are two mystery eruptions: a northern hemispheric one in 1452 and a southern hemispheric one in 1458. The consensus in PAGES-VICS is that if Kuwae has anything to do with the mystery eruptions, then it is probably the southern hemispheric one in 1458. However, Kuwae continues to be associated with the 1452 eruption (an old hypothesis from 1994) in some papers because some authors from other fields have yet to catch up on developments in ice core chronologies over the last few years. Merging wouldn't hurt as long as the article is about 1450s double mystery eruptions Aleral Wei (talk) 07:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, perhaps a joint title of 1450s mystery eruptions might be best, allowing both topics to be discussed in one place to reduce overlap and help to discuss results that might refer to one or the other. Klbrain (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question and Comment: Is it possible to get a list of sources which do and do not consider these two separate events? It would be helpful to know which sources consider this is ambiguous. I think if a merge is considered is there a title that would be both used in reliable sources and a title that would actually be used by people trying to find information on the events. John Cummings (talk) 12:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the use in references 2, I suggest 1450s volcanic eruptions. The title of this articles is Two likely stratospheric volcanic eruptions in the 1450s C.E. found in a bipolar, subannually dated 800 year ice core record. Similarly the Abbott et al (2021) article titled Cryptotephra from the Icelandic Veiðivötn 1477 CE eruption in a Greenland ice core: confirming the dating of volcanic events in the 1450s CE and assessing the eruption's climatic impact. The proposed title is a concise paraphrase of the description used in these titles, keeping the word order similar to the current page, but removing mystery, as undue synthesis. It's true that the page wouldn't cover all eruptions in the 1450s, but the scope could be defined in the lede (or hatnotes if necessary). Klbrain (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it is correct that one occurred in the southern hemisphere and the other in the northern, then they are two separate subjects. I do not think we should merge merely because they were in the same decade. What would the title be if they were in 1258 and 1263? Dudley Miles (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]