Talk:Jane de Leon

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The result of the move request was: page moved by Rosguill. PC78 (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jane de Leon (actress) → Jane De Leon – The "De" is capitalized, contrary to the recent move from another editor who said that it's not. Five RS (ABS-CBN, The Philippine Star, Esquire, When in Manila, Cosmopolitan Philippines) go with "De", while three (CNN Philippines, Rappler, Philippine Entertainment Portal) for "de". The subject also spelled her name "Jane De Leon" in her YouTube video. I'd also like to request for the removal of the parenthetical disambiguation of this page as no other Wiki exists by the same name, as well as the Jane de Leon page which redirects to the Halik (TV series) article. Slightlymad (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:18, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I've retargeted Jane de Leon to this page, it's not obvious why it was targeted to a TV series she appeared in. No opinion on the capitalisation, but clearly the parenthetical is redundant either way. PC78 (talk) 12:26, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:30, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jane De Leon → Jane de Leon – The "d" should have not been capitalized a long time ago. Filipino names generally don't use capitalized letters for prefixes like de, dela, delos, etc. Refs use de for her surname. Also for consistency with other articles in Category:Filipino film actresses. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 23:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Engr. Smitty I'm not objecting, but this isn't technically uncontroversial given the article name was discussed on the talk page (as per WP:PCM). -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom and all logic Red Slash 19:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Opposed Is it necessary though? Do we have any sources that state that last names starting with de, dela should start with small case rather than upper case? Surnames are most of the time in uppercase regardless. Even the Philippine Statistics Authority, in their website they use Dela, De in capital D instead of "d". https://psa.gov.ph/civilregistration/problems-and-solutions/compound-middle-names-dela-cruz-quintos-deles-villa-roman . I didnt see any of that as well in the Civil Code regarding Use of Surnames so please enlighten me if there is. Republic Act 386 dated June 18, 1949 XIII: Use of Surnames Civil Code of the Philippines http://www.officialgazette.gov.ph/1949/06/18/republic-act-no-386/ - User:JmKissme (talk)
  • AFAIK, the Civil Code of 1949 has since been repealed by the Family Code of 1987, but interestingly, naming in the Philippines is some sort of customary law not codified in any statute. For example, how the legal name of the current president was "assembled", "Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos Jr.", or indeed any Filipino, is not based on any statute. There was a court decision about this that I had forgotten, but the court ruled that since the "<given name> <mother's surname> <father's surname>" nomenclature has been used by everyone, it has the force of law... or something to that effect. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I guess we can start moving the page to Jane de Leon as 2 supports the case vs 1. jmarkfrancia (talk) 13:21, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support as all recent WP:RS decapitalize "de": ABS-CBN, Manila Times, Manila Bulletin. For categorizing and databases, such as what the Philippine Statistics Authority does, they capitalize it due to limitations of their software or database keeping; we don't have the same limitations, at least on naming articles. We should still capitalize "de" if it starts the sentence or table headers, or in categorization in Wikipedia (small caps messes up alphabetization; so that where Wikipedia's limitation is, on this regard). The most accomplished person with such name, vice president Noli de Castro, decapitalizes it. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  (I've been categorizing actors and actresses lately, and there are some that categorize, hypothetically, "de Leon" under "Leon", and still some have "de" capitalized. This may go down to case-to-case basis, in the case of capitalizing "de", but for Jane's case, the recent WP:RS is unanimous.) Howard the Duck (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 14:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]