User:Putu Suhartawan

"Ladies and gentlemen, I am Putu Suhartawan. I am reaching out to request your assistance in creating a sample page for a sandbox. Your input on this matter would be greatly appreciated."

24 December 2024
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Dear Wikipedia administrators,

I am writing to request that the article on the Pawn (programming language), i was made a draft in my sanbox be reconsidered move soon for a featured article nomination. I believe that this topic is worthy of a more in-depth exploration, particularly given its significant role in game development for embedded systems. The history of Pawn and the reasons behind its popularity among developers would make for a fascinating and informative read.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Putu Suhartawan (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Please help @Midori No Sora Putu Suhartawan (talk) 21:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Per Cremastra, I don't quite get what you are trying to explain here Putu Suhartawan. I also don't understand why you specifically pinged me for this, as I am not an admin.

Just because this topic is widely used for game developments doesn't mean it should immediately be a featured article. Featured article are considered to be some of the best articles on the Wiki and the nomination process is very tough as there are many criteria to follow.

I'm sorry, but your draft clearly doesn't meet FA standards at the moment. Nor is it ready for the main page yet. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Administrators have no more power over featured article nominations than any other editor.

It is unclear what you are trying to do here, because there are many things that are confusing or wrong about your comment

1. Pawn (programming language) does not exist (and was deleted); you linked to a draft in your userspace.
2. Featured articles are the very best of Wikipedia articles and they pass through rigorous review processes. Your userspace draft would not be considered because it is a draft. You would have to move it to mainspace, but frankly it is definitely not featured article quality.
3. You say you want the draft to be "reconsidered" which implies you nominated it for featured article status in the past and it failed. This, as far as I can tell, is not the case.

So, @Putu Suhartawan can you explain what you want to happen here? Cremastra (talk) 23:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, Mr. @Cremastra. I understand that the current article does not meet featured article standards. However, I plan to improve and expand the article to meet the required criteria.

I intend to move the Pawn (programming language) draft to the mainspace and will strive to improve its quality. I would also like to highlight that on the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pawn (scripting language), there was a fairly supportive discussion about the topic's eligibility for a main article.

I hope to gain support from the Wikipedia community to develop this article into a comprehensive source of information on the Pawn programming language.

Reasons to Maintain the Pawn Programming Language Article on Wikipedia

1. Historical Significance and Community:

Origin and Development: Pawn has a notable history, having been developed by ITB CompuPhase and gaining popularity among game developers. Its open-source nature has fostered a dedicated community.

Legacy and Impact: Pawn has been used in various game development projects, particularly for embedded systems. Its influence and contributions to the programming landscape make it worthy of documentation.

2. Educational Value and Learning Resource:

Beginner-Friendly: Pawn's syntax and structure are relatively straightforward, making it suitable for those learning programming. Its availability as a free and open-source language provides a valuable learning resource.

Game Development Applications: Pawn's use in game development offers a practical context for learning programming concepts and applying them to real-world projects.

3. Technical Relevance and Current Use:

Active Development: While Pawn may not be as widely used as some modern languages, it continues to be developed and maintained.

Embedded Systems: Its relevance in embedded systems programming ensures its continued use in specific domains.

Community and Projects: The existence of an active community and ongoing projects demonstrate its ongoing relevance.

4. Comparison and Context:

Relationship to Other Languages: Comparing Pawn to other languages, especially C, can provide valuable insights into its unique features and benefits.

Historical Context: Understanding Pawn's place in the evolution of programming languages can offer a broader perspective on its significance.

5. Potential for Future Development:

New Applications: Pawn might find new applications or be adapted for emerging technologies.

Community-Driven Evolution: Its open-source nature allows for community-driven improvements and innovations.

In conclusion, while Pawn may not be a mainstream language today, its historical significance, educational value, technical relevance, and potential for future development justify its inclusion on Wikipedia. The article can serve as a valuable resource for those interested in learning about programming languages, game development, or the history of technology. Putu Suhartawan (talk) 01:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I encourage you to improve the article and work towards WP:FA status. A good short-term goal would be, once the article has been moved to mainspace and you are sure it is notable, try nominating it for WP:DYK.

A side note: generally, don't assume anyone here is "Mr." or "Ms." unless they state their gender explicitly. Often, people don't. You can just call me "Cremastra". Cremastra (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

As it stands the draft is not even ready for article space, let alone for featured article status. For starters there is only one ref (it's used twice but they are both the same ref), a simple description of the language from the developer. There is nothing independent to show the notability of the language. Meters (talk) 01:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia administrators,

Thank you for your valuable feedback and encouragement. I understand that the current draft of the Pawn (programming language) article does not yet meet the standards for a featured article. I am committed to improving the article and working towards achieving WP:FA status.

As a short-term goal, once the article has been moved to mainspace and I am confident in its notability, I will nominate it for WP:DYK.

I would like to clarify that I will avoid assuming anyone's gender unless it is explicitly stated. I will address individuals by their preferred pronouns or by their username.

Regarding the article's content, I acknowledge that there is currently only one reference and it needs to be expanded. I will strive to include more independent sources to demonstrate the language's notability.

I appreciate your guidance and support. I am dedicated to improving the quality of the Pawn (programming language) article and ensuring it meets Wikipedia's high standards.

Thank you, Putu Suhartawan (talk) 03:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Putu Suhartawan, if you are using ChatGPT or any form of AI or LLM to formulate your replies, then please stop immediately. We only want to hear from genuine human beings in their own words here. Imagine that you took your small child to a local kindergarten and they told you that the child was not ready for kindergarten and to wait a while for the child to develop. Imagine that you then responded, "Forget about kindergarten. Give my child a PhD degree." Do you think that anybody at that school would take you seriously? Cullen328 (talk) 06:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328,

Dear Wikipedia administrators,

Thank you for your valuable feedback and encouragement.But actualy i think the Pawn (programming language) article, need to be accepted like another wiki in another languange. In the wiki data about this topic was explain how it can be right?

Thank you,

Putu Suhartawan (talk) 12:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Putu Suhartawan That wasn't encouragement, it was a request not to use LLM when replying here. A pawn in the context of that Wikidata link is a chess piece and has little or nothing to do with your proposed article about a programming language. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Not be a chess article, but please think only and just only the Pawn (programming language) article. Putu Suhartawan (talk) 14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Putu Suhartawan, please understand that the list of qualities you give above, apparently as a justification for arguing that Wikipedia should have an article on Pawn, is completely irrelevant to that question. English Wikipedia accepts articles only if they meet its criteria for notability, and in most cases, that means that there has been enough indepedent, reliable material published about the subject to base an article on. The qualities you list may make it likely that somebody independent has written about it, but you need to cite those actual publications; and then you need to base the article nearly 100% on what those sources say, not what you know or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 15:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Is greath idea. Thank you, But i need help. About, how the not English Wikipedia accepts articles all about the Pawn (programming language) article. When we know just English Wikipedia accepts articles only if they meet its criteria for notability. And please can you tell about how another version of wikipedia just have with same name is wikipedia, but they actually have different rules about everythink? like, another user just was try to make this article at another time. but is so sad, now that article just not exist. Putu Suhartawan (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)