User talk:JzG/Archive 138

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AfC Reviewers are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on Thursday 8 December for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) (user:Kudpung for NPR. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

You will love this (I was reading through the journals AfDs bit above). It has the potential to be a PR disaster where articles are created on people considered non-notable. I wonder what articles will actually get created, which will be kept, and what feelings will be left unhurt at the end of it all? (The idea of a Wikipedia 'profile' as opposed to an 'article' is one that, while true in practice for some 'articles' (which are really profiles), will make many people queasy.) That is only the English Wikipedia. I have no idea what the inclusion standards are like on other language Wikipedias. Carcharoth (talk) 14:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

It can backfire, for sure, but some of tose women badly needed articles, and I think it's a worthy enterprise. Guy (Help!) 00:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

That reminds me, I need to find out the username of one of the participants (a friend of ours) so I can offer some help if they run into... trouble in the future. Fortunately she was working on an existing article so it shouldnt be too bad. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

• Guy, if you have time, do take a look at some of the ~138 pages here. It won't be quite that many, as some article expansions and additional edits were also marked that way, but see what you think after looking at some of the pages. Carcharoth (talk) 15:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

On a related note, Mary Gillham is not on that list but had some activity on the day in question - its been on my 'to do' list for a long time. Sadly she suffers from a lack of coverage in reliable sources despite being way above the notability threshold. I was surprised to see Guy on the talkpage... My wife met her through her work, and her current employer has the Mary Gillham archive (basically all her notebooks, notes, wildlife data records etc for last 30 odd years) but she just was not covered as much as she deserved by third parties. We tried to swing the Boaty McBoatface vote towards naming it after her... Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

A late follow-up. There is a list of around 200 articles and drafts here. Surely enough there to consider and to draw some new conclusions of some sort? Carcharoth (talk) 03:07, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

That's very interesting, actually. The number of no-=hopers is minimal, some of those at AfD will clearly be kept, and on the face of it most of them look pretty good. Well done the BBC! Guy (Help!) 20:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Idly browsing your user page (I know), I saw that you have marked Lulu Press down as "masquerading as an academic publisher". I have published a couple of other things through them (a biography and some SF shorts) and have seen no suggestion that they might do this. Is the masquerading more down to errant clients of Lulu, or am I missing something? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

That refers to IGI Global, per comments like this. Lulu is a self-publishing shop, as you know, and the majority of links here seem to me to be added by the author, in the hopes of selling some copies. Guy (Help!) 20:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

There is mention of you in this [1] arbitration request. Xtremedood (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Guy, it might have helped if you'd told Xtremedood where they could appeal, and then perhaps they would have done it in the right place (WP:ARCA). I never thought I'd hear myself recommending a template over humanspeak, but I find the AE sanction template helpful, and (with practice) easy to use. It unfolds into a storm of useful information and links, for instance to where they can appeal. (Guess what, they have a threefold choice.) Admittedly, there's so much information that I generally find myself having to repeat the salient points to inexperienced users, but at least the template tells me what to tell them, if you see what I mean. Bishonen | talk 20:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC).

Fair point. I'll file the ref (I cannot keep track of the number of templates we now have).

Mind you, this was not an AE action, just a regular community topic ban. Guy (Help!) 21:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, I'm an idiot. Drmies has told them where they can appeal, I see. And you get to clarify it, haha, merry Christmas! Bishonen | talk 10:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

Hi there, I made a minor edit or two to this article before it was deleted and saw your post at AN/I. Even though it seems the subject is related to some troll group, I think the subject is notable enough to have an article. They've been featured by New York Magazine [2], and I think the article had a couple other sources in it. GigglesnortHotel (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to write one, the content of this was unsalvageable attack material. Guy (Help!) 23:29, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Would it be possible for you to restore the two sources that appeared in the old article? That's pretty much all I need. You can drop them on my talk page. GigglesnortHotel (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

From the "fatuous rant" you removed, apparently Wikipedia editors trying to delete his articles are part of the global pizzagate conspiracy. From the video, "Pizzagate is real." Speaking for myself, I'm also part of the global Frankfurt school conspiracy, and probably some others I'm not aware of. Congratulations, and welcome to the cabal, comrade! Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't even eat pizza, I have coeliac disease. Guy (Help!) 11:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Not to worry: In the coming utopia, pizza eats you! Sławomir Biały (talk) 03:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)