Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hunglish

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - encourage merge to article on Hungarian diaspora. ·Maunus·ƛ· 13:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In consequence of this AFD, I have moved the article to Talk:Hungarian diaspora/Hunglish, where it can be worked on for integration into that article. +An gr 14:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hunglish

Not notable. The term "Hunglish" is simply not in wide use. It is not the same as Engrish, for example, which is in wide use, and which describes more than the problems of non-natives of a particular language in trying to learn English. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 08:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing here but a dictionary definition, and one I'm not even sure of the accuracy of that. There's no mention of this in Hungarians in the United Kingdom, and the only sources quoted are Hungarian. There's an article on Hungarian Wikipedia]. However, there's nothing to show that this is even prominent among Hungarians who reside in English-speaking nations. Knock knock, who's there, Magyar, Magyar who-- Magyar article better and maybe I'll change my mind. Mandsford (talk) 14:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note There is no link on Hungarian wikipedia. I put the page there through google translate and it said: "The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked-language or inter-wiki title. It may contain characters which can not be used in the titles."VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 10:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki to wiktionary and offer a soft redirect so encyclopedia users wondering what this subject is can get an answer. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is not a dictionary entry, but rather a phenomenon. It may not be that prominent in the UK, but much more in the US Hungarian communities, many members of which fled in 1956. In fact, the Lingustics Institute of the Hungarian Academy has its own page for the more frequent phrases and words (mis)used this way. Reality is even worser: this partly stem from many prefering to speak English here, who actually do not know or use English properly. And as they "talk" to their friends, who are mostly educated to the same level, no objections arise. It may need some expansion, however. Follow-Up: After reviewing the forementioned "Engrish" article, the Hunglish (the half of Hungarian-influenced English, not the other way around) simply qualifies as a subset of it.92.249.166.26 (talk) 12:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Those are good points, although they will probably carry more weight if you sign in with a registered name rather than an IP. Sometimes, an article creator hesitates to speak up out of concern that it's a conflict of interest of some sort, but the article creator and the nominator have the same rights as anyone else. Mandsford (talk) 13:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If it is a genuine phenomenon among Hungarian ex-pats (which would make it more than common errors by Hungarian learners of English; see Runglish and Brighton Beach Russians), then there should be reliable sourcing. The term itself is clearly not established; are there any other terms for it in English or within the US Hungarian expat community?VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 01:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, this is true for every European language. Influencing a native language is called anglicism, and everyone makes mistakes when speaking English as a non-native tongue. Geschichte (talk) 13:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. —Cnilep (talk) 01:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete without prejudice against re-creation if an actual article is written. 105 hits on Google Books plus 52 hits on Google Scholar suggests there is an actual phenomenon here that could be written about. But in its current state, the article is nothing but a list of what the term might mean if one has enough imagination. +An gr 08:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Agree. You found one or two sources there that could go towards something about exiled Hungarians (it's difficult to tell); a lot of this research appears to have dried up, however. I should point out that quite a lot of the modern academic references use Hunglish to refer to an English-Hungarian parallel corpus; others just about bad English by Hungarians, or the presence of anglicisms in Hungarian, for which there are already pages on wikipedia.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 08:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is some hungarian sourcing. Can someone who can follow that comment on the sourcing/content there please? Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone can characterize this as a debate about something other than the article that's nominated, and then close the debate by declaring that AfD is the wrong forum. Mandsford (talk) 13:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.