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Name of language
editDari is not a language but a dialect.The name of language is Persian or Farsi[1] [2]Simsala111 (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
https://www.omniglot.com/writing/dari.htm
References
- There is a lot to this question. Reading http://tajikam.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13, for example, the case reads fairly strong that Dari/Dahri is a political neologism, albeit drawn from the existing language. I am continuing to lean to the position that the article should be titled, and use the term "Afghan Persian". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes you are technically right but then, Tajik language is also another dialect of Persian, yet it uses "language". In conclusion, I think if the majority of the speakers and their respective governmets refer to their dialects as "languages" then we should have no problem with it. Khestwol (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hypercorrection. Imagine being interested in languages, genuinely, and then attempting to force languages into boxes.
- A language is a dialect with an army and navy implies that it is not a language, because Afghanistan doesn't have a navy (joke).
- Dialect continuum#Persian briefly covers the specific point of Persian, Tajik and Dari. Forcing the English word, language/dialect/variety/accent, is just wrong. When I tell children to "watch your language", I certainly don't mean to that false precision.
- I would personally prefer Tajik Persian, and Dari/Afghan Persian to avoid the "language" word. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes you are technically right but then, Tajik language is also another dialect of Persian, yet it uses "language". In conclusion, I think if the majority of the speakers and their respective governmets refer to their dialects as "languages" then we should have no problem with it. Khestwol (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
@SmokeyJoe: Moving this article from "Dari (Persian dialect)" to Dari language was a mistake.[1] The move request was opened by User:Krzyhorse22; a sockpuppet of disruptive sockmaster User:Lagoo sab. Only two support votes plus a weak rationale. We should move this article to a more proper name and remove that "language" from the title. That's all. --Wario-Man (talk) 08:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Simsala111: If we're speaking about what is spoken by the most remote peasants and mountaineers in Eastern Afghanistan, it differs more than 1000 years from standard Persian. 1000 years is too much. For instance, Romanian and Moldavian as one example, or Serbian, Montenegrin, Croatian and Bosnian seem not to differ at all. --95.24.62.202 (talk) 16:34, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Make an account and give your Sources otherwise don't talk on air cause they don't talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simsala111 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
"a political term used for the various dialects of the Persian language spoken in Afghanistan"
editIf that's what the sources say, fine; but there's something about the lede that bothers me. Lingusticially speaking, is Dari any less of an independent language than any of the Scandinavian languages? Norwegian could also be considered a "political term used for the various dialects of the Scandinavian language spoken in Norway". Or is spoken Dari and Farsi much more similar than spoken Norwegian and Danish? Ornilnas (talk) 07:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I think what bothers me is the wording "political term". For example, the sources that support calling Serbo-Croatian a "language" ultimately rely largely on politics (see Declaration on the Common Language) rather than pure linguistics. I don't support inserting the wording "political term" into the article ledes on Norwegian or Serbo-Croatian, but is there a solid reason why we use it here? Ornilnas (talk) 07:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The various Serbo-Croatian dialects are called "a standardized variety" (or "normative variety" for Montenegrin language) in their respective ledes. Could this work for Dari? Is it standardized? Ornilnas (talk) 08:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Ornilnas: Serbo-Croatian is a language, because it was created only in mid 19th century. --95.24.62.202 (talk) 16:29, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Why would being created recently make it a language? Ornilnas (talk) 01:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Ornilnas: Dari in Eastern Afghanistan is different, but are people in, say, Herat, actually speaking Dari? Or are they speaking a much more recent form of Persian brought by the Persians during, say, the 1860s Persian rule? --95.24.62.202 (talk) 16:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Language percentage
editIts cited in the Iranica source:
"Persian (2) is the most spoken languages in Afghanistan. The native tongue of twenty five percent of the population ..." [2] @Cookiemonster1618 Noorullah (talk) 19:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)