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The result was Reframe as an article about the author Eileen Gibb. If this is not done, renomination is possible. Sandstein 19:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sammy the Shunter

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. No, this is not part of the TtTE franchise, but something even less known, seems like a rip-off by a non-notable author (so no valid merge/redirect targets I can think of). Which would make for a possible interesting story - but I can't find it written anywhere, so... WP:FANCRUFT? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment I did a Google Books search on this and there look like there might be enough sources with WP:SIGCOV for it to pass GNG. But it's hard to tell without being able to see the sources, and most of the books aren't there in full-text due to copyright restrictions. I have, however, managed to electronically borrow Steel Wheels by A.F. Garnett, which is one of the sources that comes up, and that's definitely just a passing mention. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 09:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete On further investigation of the sources, I found:
If both the New Yorker and Bookseller sources give significant coverage (potentially possible from the previews given by Google) we might have a GNG pass. On balance of probability I think that's unlikely. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 10:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. only thing I know about her currently is her association with Billy (the bus).I currently know absolutely nothing. It is a mystery to me what will or will not emerge.Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC) .... Okay I've found this which gives brief bio details. Djm-leighpark (talk)[reply]
Yeah, I spotted that too; sadly doesn't appear to be a WP:RS, though, which would absolutely be needed if it were going to be a BLP instead. (It's a shame they didn't cite wherever they got their information from.) As things stand though I'd be worried that a BLP on Gibb might be more likely to get deleted based on lack of sources about her rather than about her work. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 18:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Author section WP:BOLDly added to existing article and redirect created though have't rcat'd it. Anyone got a Kenneth Clark book ... not that one but an autobiography? Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)@Piotrus Please don't use the old Pluralis Majestatis as an attempt to include me your statement as I find it obnoxious and pompous[1]. If you mean your interpretation of WikiPedia then say so. The random blogger is seemingly a subject matter expert in the area per e.g. [2] or [3]. Obvious is if someone is NOT considering writing a BLP article on the dude and is prepared to disclose an email address to please use "YOU CAN CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AT..." and see if he has any information he is willing to disclose on sources. As the author has deceased BLP does not apply but we may well have a BLPO. I'd nip down to Bognor to look at a possible book in the library but when I when to Sussex last week to retrieve a book to provide imagery evidence of the (obvious) substantial nature of a book source I lost my wallet, cred & debit cards and driving license ... and probably WSCC library cards for that matter — so a Coid-19 opportunity at Bognor or St. Pancras could easilty take me out of a BLP consideration. On a more serious note we likely have WP:BASIC as published work is broad. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:28, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Djm-leighpark I have no idea why you chose to reply to me, but I'll ask you to mind WP:CIV and WP:NPA. Accusing others of being "obnoxious and pompous" is not very nice. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:36, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus: You and the nom., and the one who tagged notability and immediately Prodded. Not nice.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PamD' actually beat me to the email idea while I'm having a rant. Thanks PamD. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also worth noting if anyone has access to newspaper archives there's possibly stuff there. Ian Allan publishers, Kenneth Clark (auto)biographies are other longshots. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing in The Times that I could find. Mjroots (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a reply: he sourced info from COPAC and CBI, Genealogy sites, and, as we feared, "Other details are from Gibbs' daughter." I wonder whether she managed to provide any of the same info for an obit in a local newspaper or similar? PamD 08:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Djm-leighpark, do we know were she died? That will point us towards local papers for an obituary. Mjroots (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The likely place of death was Hampshire, though Surrey is possible. [4]. My initial thought were North Hampshire, but there were connections to Beaulieu area also. May need to check for surname of "Holder" also. I'm tempted to take a free 7-day to [5] or [6] but I need tp do that when I've got a batch of stuff to search including early Bergin stuff. I did goto Bognor Library yesterday morning as they've got the Kenneth Clark autobiography (longshot) but the Librarian barred my entry & I had to be back in Chichester by 11:00am ... then tried three bookshops in Chichester but no luck. Other thoughts are M-Gauge association; RH&DR but the're all longshots and I've elected so far not to try there at the moment.Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've put in a request for assistance at the Hampshire WPs talk page. Mjroots (talk) 18:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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