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A fact from Anastasia Somoza appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 December 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that as a nine-year-old, Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S. president Bill Clinton?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that as a nine-year-old, disability rights advocate Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton for her twin sister to be allowed to join her in a mainstream classroom? Source: Desert News
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kiki Wong

Created by Innisfree987 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

Innisfree987 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. No copyright violation detected. The hook however is not usable. “Mainstreaming” is an American special education term that only educators from the United States and American parents of special needs students are likely to be familiar with. As such it fails WP:DYKCRIT/ WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE for requiring specialized knowledge and not targeting a global audience. Additionally it is not at all clear the twin sisters are themselves disabled so the hook even to an American audience is confusing. We need a different hook.4meter4 (talk) 17:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm, I am not in either of the groups you view as the only ones who know this term… Innisfree987 (talk) 22:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I still think it is a term not familiar to most people and requires specialized knowledge.4meter4 (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm from England and we use it over here. I think this passes WP:DYKINT.--Laun chba ller 12:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines here and while I do agree the use of "mainstream" is rather specialist (and I'm not sure if we use that word in that sense here), the context should be rather clear given the earlier mention of "mainstream". It's possible a different word to "mainstream" could be used, but the intended meaning seems accurate at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given, my difference of opinion with two editors, I will allow a new editor to review this.4meter4 (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would changing "mainstream" to "normal" or "regular" address concerns, or are such terms considered loaded or pejorative in this context? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, even if you don't understand the precise technical meaning of "mainstream", I think from context it's clear that the sister is educated separately and the subject is fighting that. Would it help to have the hook say "her special needs sister" to provide additional context? I think "normal" or "regular" comes off pejorative in this context. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PMC, how about,

ALT1 ... that as a nine-year-old, disability rights advocate Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton for her twin sister, who attended a special-education classroom, to be allowed to join her in a regular classroom? Source: Desert News

This is closer to the sourcing given and it removes ambiguity. TarnishedPath^talk 11:04, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this suggestion, the wording works for me. I think it goes over the character count though? Innisfree987 (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does, it's 218 characters, and I strongly recommend going shorter anyway. There's no need to tell the whole story in a hook; you want to leave enough to entice the reader.--Laun chba ller 13:06, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 ... that as a nine-year-old, Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton for her twin sister to be allowed to join her in a mainstream classroom?

It lacks context, but I guess the point would be to make people find out why she lobbied? As in, it hooks possible readers? Or is the lack of context detrimental in this case? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:32, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That works for me, thank you for the idea! Or even,

ALT3 ... that as a nine-year-old, Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton?

Shorter and more hooky still? I’d be fine with either. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giving this a second review as requested. In addition to 4meter4's review, I have to add that a full QPQ was done, and that the hook is cited inline and verified in the Deseret News source. The decision on whether to use ALT2 or ALT3 will be left to the promoter. As discussed above, "mainstream" in the context used in the hook is understandable enough and not necessarily specialist terminology. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just completely forgot that I proposed ALT2, but since it's just a shortening of an existing hook, along with not introducing any new hook facts, and with how the original reviewer approved of it, I hope it's okay for me to approve this nom. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]