Talk:Wennington wildfire

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Did you know... that after the Wennington wildfire (destroyed houses pictured) hit London in 2022, experts warned that climate change would cause more wildfires in the future?

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 04:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Burned-out houses viewed after the fire

... that the Wennington wildfire (destroyed houses pictured) shows the danger posed by climate change? Source: ITV News (quoting Dr Rory Hadden, University of Edinburgh): "as the climate changes, the UK will be susceptible to these kinds of fires which can be extremely devastating...we should expect more and larger wildfires".
- ALT1: ... that after the Wennington wildfire (destroyed houses pictured) hit London in 2022, experts warned that climate change would cause more wildfires in future? Source: above plus MyLondon "the UK will start to see fires which are much larger", Times (paywalled) "climate change is increasing fire danger across the UK", Telegraph "we are increasingly being challenged by new extremes of weather as our climate changes and we’re developing long-term strategies to deal with more incidents like this in the future."
- ALT2: ... that after the Wennington wildfire (destroyed houses pictured) hit London in 2022, experts predicted that climate change could cause more wildfires in future? Same quotes as above.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Freeman (communist)

Created by Blythwood (talk) and Greyzxq (talk). Nominated by Blythwood (talk) at 00:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

, promoted. Dr Salvus 21:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr Salvus:

Per part c of the DYK reviewing requirements, an article can't be considered approved (not promoted, approved) until a full review is done with respect to the DYK criteria. If you're not sure how to get started on that, please see WP:DYKR. On another note, I'm quite uncomfortable with the fact that the hook is claiming narrative inference in wikivoice. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Blythwood, Greyzxq, and Dr Salvus: New hook is needed. I do not think we can state in wikivoice, an opinion as a fact. Bruxton (talk) 16:51, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I'm going to think about an alternative hook. Blythwood (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It has been a few days Blythwood just checking back. Bruxton (talk) 01:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, apologies for delay, I've now added an alt hook and clearer sourcing. Blythwood (talk) 23:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Blythwood, Greyzxq, and Dr Salvus: I am concerned that our article is a POV push. The hooks and our article state that this fire is the result of global Warming. Nowhere in our article do we state the actual cause of the fire, which, "started when a compost heap “spontaneously combusted". I think as it is the article should not be promoted until it is neutral and complete. The hooks should also not push a theory. Of the articles on the topic, the ones that do not state the actual cause, use global warming or climate change as the reason for the fire. The articles that do state the cause - do not blame climate change. Our article should be neutral and state the actual cause. And I was looking for a hook that is written from WP:NPOV. Bruxton (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bruxton, thanks for the message. The article always mentioned the compost heap spontaneously combusting (it's the second sentence of the "Events" section) but I agree that it was a little hard to find. I've moved it to the lead of the article using the Telegraph article you're recommending. It specifically quotes the Assistant Commissioner of the London Fire Brigade, "we are increasingly being challenged by new extremes of weather as our climate changes", I could add that to the article if you want an additional perspective. I've added an alt hook with less strong phrasing (changing "would" to "could"). Blythwood (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The hooks and our article blame the fire on climate change. But that is a theory and not based on empirical evidence. Isn't the compost pile more interesting and accurate? Otherwise we seem to be pushing this boogyman theory. Major media outlets also have an agenda when they concentrate on this idea, but the facts in evidence seem to be a compost pile, and it is not terribly rare for compost piles to spontaneously combust. Bruxton (talk) 20:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the stop; you plan to stick with the global warming hooks, so I will let another prep builder make a decision here. Bruxton (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]