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Hi, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, I believe closing discussions should be done by a more experienced user, or an administrator. I have reverted some of your closures, as they do not provide a clear reason for your closure, and may not follow how Wikipedia determines WP:CONSENSUS. Feel free to contribute to Wikipedia in other ways! Natg 19 (talk) 16:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ships&Space I have reverted your close since there's a request for close already open. This should be closed by an experienced editor who is uninvolved. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, they are sufficiently experienced to close the RfC, and are uninvolved. Redacted II (talk) 19:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, there's nothing in that close that supports your argument. The WP:CR was ignored, not updated, and the RFC tags weren't even removed. I'm not involved and it needs to be closed by someone who weighs the arguments. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 19:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the editing history: 95 edits as of now. To me at least, that is sufficient experience.

Also, they didn't ignore the WP:CR.They stated that they were closing the RfC, and then recommended going to DRN. Both of these were reverted by Natg 19. Redacted II (talk) 19:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully, I do not consider 100 edits anywhere close to experienced enough. I would expect a closer to have several thousand. Additionally, non-admin closers must expect their closes to be scrutinized and should carefully explain why they have made the closure they did in the close itself in all but the most obvious cases, which this editor does not seem to have done.

Ships&Space: I appreciate your enthusiasm to help out with closing discussions, which is a difficult task that requires more people doing it. However, before one can have a good understanding of how to close discussions, one must participate in a large number of them and see how they are closed. I would encourage you to start there. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 13:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:NGC 1218. Thanks! Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Ships&Space,

Thanks for your thoughts. Besides the talk page, will also like to try and understand your general criteria about weight and notability.

Could you please elaborate on that a little so that we're on the same page, also for instance, would you also apply that criteria to other sections of the article? SaibaK (talk) 17:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WEIGHT basically sums up what my criteria are. To be a little more specific, there's a fine line between useful information and trivia when it comes to multiple referable topics (like how many film makers to include before it becomes trivia). As a general rule, I'd say that only the most well-known subjects should be included (even though this is subjective to some degree).

Of course, the weight that international reception or similar things hold is also subjective, and I'd highly recommend getting consensus before deciding who or what to include (as a rule, if you think it might be subjective, you should always get consensus).

That said, when it comes to "notability" (not notability), you can probably use your own judgement (but be aware that other editors are likely to have good input). Others can improve the page later.

The page is rather long (another reason to limit the amount of text), so I can't say for sure, but I don't think that these really apply to most of it. As a general rule, always rely on the guidelines and/or previous discussions on the subject (or applicable ones). Ships & Space_(Edits) 18:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your detailed and thoughtful reply. Much appreciated.

May I humbly point out that this section has been under attack- this has the greatest length in the "Talk" page of RRR and one of the users Jayanthkumar123 even got banned because he kept deleting this section even without providing any reason or following wikipedia protocols. Such users have their own reasons, and they're not being driven by their desire to improve the article (as can be seen from Jayanthkumar123's ban who went out of his way to completely ignore all moderator/admins warnings and refused to follow any protocol).

But I sincerely request you to not advocate for deletion of important filmmakers who've praised that movie- in the talk page I provide a detailed reply where I list out the achievements and contributions of the mentioned directors in brief. You yourself mention that movies are not your key interest area, so I humbly request you to kindly not advocate for deletion of information that's hugely important for others

In particular: this is a hugely important information for Indian cinephiles and every bit of information has been widely published in Indian newspapers.

If you do want to shorten the article, may I suggest to advocate the trimming of "Critical Reception" which is currently much larger and unwieldy.

Many thanks. SaibaK (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for users attacking this section out of ulterior motives and getting banned: User talk:Jayanthkumar123#October 2024 SaibaK (talk) 19:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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