Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and politics
Case clerks: Ks0stm (Talk) & Callanecc (Talk) Drafting arbitrator: AGK (Talk)
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Case Opened on 01:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Case suspended by motion 02:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Case Closed on 20:32, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Case information
[edit]Involved parties
[edit]- UseTheCommandLine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
- Apostle12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Rgambord (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- ArtifexMayhem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Requests for comment
[edit]Preliminary statements
[edit]Statement by UseTheCommandLine
[edit]Much of this may be TL;DR or more appropriate as evidence if a case is opened. See Summary in response to Carcharoth, below.
My initial interactions with Apostle12 were regarding an edit war at White privilege concerning the use of mitigation language in the lead paragraph.
Since then I have interacted with him on a number of articles pertaining to race politics -- mostly Huey P. Newton and sometimes Black Panther Party. My main concerns were initially content-based but it became clear to me that they were largely behavioral.
From my perspective, the carelessness of Apostle12's sourcing decisions and POVPUSH behavior (which I made a nuisance of myself over at a repeated ANI filing), combined with his repeated, incredibly offensive comments about people of color on multiple talk pages (with extensive ANI discussion) suggest to me that Apostle12 is not an editor that can be reasoned with or negotiated with.
Through multiple conversations on talk pages and multiple RSN discussions it has been established that sources he frequently uses (Kate Coleman, and in some respects Hugh Pearson) for information in Huey P. Newton and Black Panther Party are at best sketchy, yet Apostle12 repeatedly claims without reservation that, e.g. Kate Coleman is a "respected journalist." Apostle12's apparent unwillingness to respect other editors' concerns on these points, and indeed his use of these sources at Black Panther Party after they were established at Huey P. Newton and RSN to be non-RS would be troubling enough, but if that were the only issue this would be more clearly a content dispute. When combined with his pattern of WP:NOTFORUM, spewing offensive and racist assertions on talk pages under the guise of "personal experiences" it seems abundantly clear to me that this is all of a piece.
Previous attempts, the aforementioned RSN discussions as well as DRN and an RfC/U, have been unsuccessful in dealing with these or other problems, either from a content or behavior perspective. The RfC/U, despite making what I think are reasonable suggestions for addressing the behavior issues with Apostle12, was immediately characterized as political, and no action was taken. Apostle12's unwillingness to respond to the suggestions made there is characteristic of his editing style. Initially he stated that he would respond to the RfC in "a few days"; after a number of other editors had painted the RfC as illegitimate, he felt it was not worth his time. Stonewalling and WP:IDHT, whether by ignoring something, or by simply repeatedly asserting something, is a pattern I have seen time and time again in his edits and discussions.
I have certainly made mistakes, though I have repeatedly asked for help and guidance, and been willing to adhere to it when it was provided. I would welcome the guidance of arbcom in addressing these deficiencies. But as a new editor, I have only tried to do my best with the information and mechanisms available to me.
- I actually did not include Rgambord on this filing. It hadn't ever even occurred to me to do so, actually, because the filing was, in my view, about Apostle12's edits to race-and-politics-related articles. Rgambord added him or herself to the list of involved parties, and I'm not entirely sure why. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 07:34, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- In response to Mathsci's point below, I did file a notice regarding the incidents I consider POVPUSH, at WP:AE, and it was considered non-actionable. My reading of the statement there was that these incidents fell outside the scope of "race and intelligence (broadly construed)"
- If indeed they are actionable under existing WP:ARBR&I principles already, then perhaps some clarification of that is in order, and this does not need to go to full arbitration. I certainly do not want to waste anyone's time if there are other ways to get this sorted out. After raising these points repeatedly at ANI someone suggested i go to RFARB, so here I am. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 08:12, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Further, I think I would disagree that Apostle12 is a Single-purpose account. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 08:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I can provide a more detailed response to MONGO's concerns below, complete with diffs if that would be useful, on or shortly after May 8.
- Briefly, though, the way I have chosen to view this broader issue is as the unfortunate confluence of:
- racial attitudes on the part of Apostle12 whose expression is offensive to myself and others
- poor sourcing practices and IDHT, which can to edit warring and POVPUSH even on less controversial topics.
- In regards to the sourcing, this can be seen in Apostle12's edits not just at the aforementioned articles on racial or political topics, but also in his edit history at the Franklin prostitution allegation article, pont-saint-esprit (which was spun off into 1951 pont-saint-esprit mass poisoning or some such), and to a lesser extent the various MKULTRA related articles. The IDHT is on display, as far as I can tell, at most of those articles to various degrees; when there is a friendly editing atmosphere as was apparent at pont-saint-esprit for some time, this behavior is not in evidence. but even in the last few days at Black Panther Party there has been the repeated insistence that Kate Coleman's work is respected, cited, etc without any discussion of what that actually means, nor even the acknowledgement that the sources I removed were opinion pieces. The LA Times article, for instance, has "opinion" right there in the URL.
- As in NYB's reference, the standards for referencing on contentious or sensitive topics should be more strictly adhered to rather than less.
- The juxtaposition of this poor sourcing and IDHT with the commentary and NOTFORUM on racial matters gives the reasonable impression that Apostle12 is a POVPUSHer on racial topics, irrespective of if that is his conscious intent or what his personal beliefs are. And this is further highlighted by the sensitive and contentious nature of the subject matter.
- The final straw for me really was the placement of some of these poor sources on Black Panther Party. The best AGFish explanation of placing the same assertions (that were at minimum highly contentious, and which there seemed to be at least a tentative consensus that they were not usable for statements of fact) that were removed from Huey P. Newton into Black Panther Party some weeks or months later is that he simply forgot about the extensive conversations that were had about these sources. That seems possible but unlikely to me, and I took it as evidence that, rather than merely having complex problems with sourcing, there was an intent to disrupt or POVPUSH. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 20:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Response to additional ArbCom questions
Questions by T.Canens:
- Is Apostle12's editing problematic? If so, please provide a list of diffs illustrating the problematic behavior along with short explanations of what is problematic about each diff, if required.
- Does the broader topic area require an arbitration case, or is the only issue Apostle12's editing?
- If the only issue is Apostle12's editing, is the matter suitable for summary disposition by motion, or is a full case required?
Questions from AGK:
- (1) say whether Apostle12 is or isn't a problematic editor
- (2) if he is then provide brief evidence demonstrating that he is, and
- (3) say whether this wider topic area is one that we need to examine in arbitration.
The issue of whether or not Apostle12 is a problematic editor, I can provide what I believe is the most salient evidence here that establishes a pattern of not just recent problematic edits, but also a pattern of problematic editing that has persisted throughout my encounters with him.
As also detailed in the recent ANI posting about a longstanding pattern of NOTFORUM relating to race:
NOTFORUM on racial topics
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In retrospect, I may have been complicit in allowing this editing pattern to continue, by not speaking out more forcefully about it, or perhaps in my selection of venues in which to speak out about it. I also have to say that I was even more ignorant then than I am now about what an appropriate response is.
The issue of poor sourcing practices I also feel is significant. I will focus on the most recent examples here, from Huey P. Newton and Black Panther Party mainly for brevity's sake.
RS issues and POVPUSH
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So, to sum up, yes, I think that Apostle12's editing is problematic. I think a case could be made that the poor sourcing practices extend beyond the articles listed here (cf. Talk:1951 Pont-Saint-Esprit mass poisoning), and that there are other examples of disruptive editing that he displays over and above NOTFORUM and a certain predilection for making what can charitably be described as racially insensitive remarks. But this is already TLDR. I would be happy to provide additional evidence if that is needed, however.
As for whether this is a wider topic area that requires arbitration, I don't know that I am competent to enter a comment on that, as it seems like something ArbCom would decide for themselves. I will say that I think part of the reason I have found working in this article area so difficult is that not many people work on it to begin with. A single disruptive editor can thereby have an outsized effect on progress in that subject area. I have no idea whether that is a reason to consider additional ArbCom action or not. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 05:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Response to comment by Carcharoth In the guide to arbitration, under "Motion" it says "(Arbitrators only)". I honestly have no idea whether a workable result, however the committee defines that, is possible via a motion.
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My collapsed boxes were intended to make the provided diffs a bit easier on the eyes. I can endeavor to try and reduce the overall size of my statement further over the next few days. If there are particular areas I should focus on I would appreciate such guidance. (I tend to be a bit wordy, my apologies). |
Summary of noticeboard/DR history:
Disruptive editing at White privilege (oldest first):
- DRN
- there were additional ANI discussions and an SPI case regarding White privilege and suspicions of sockpuppetry by Apostle12 that were not substantiated, and so are omitted here
- RfC/U
- DRN
- pre-empted by an ANI discussion (here) and my taking of a wikibreak
Sourcing issues and POVPUSH at Huey P. Newton and/or Black Panther Party (oldest first):
Proposed topic ban:
Since the topic ban discussion, there have been no egregious examples of the sort of NOTFORUM behavior that sparked it. However, it should be noted that these displays were episodic to begin with, and it has been less than a month since the topic ban discussion.
It is also my contention that these edits to Black Panther Party, occuring after the topic ban discussion, are an indication that Apostle12 will remain a problematic editor. I believe this because:
- these sources have been discussed in detail in DRN and RSN cases about Huey P. Newton, above, with the apparent consensus that they are not to be used the way Apostle12 does here
- Apostle12 took part in the discussions when they occurred
- Apostle12 added these sources and this language to Black Panther Party rather than Huey P. Newton (where they had been originally discussed) which to me indicates tendentiousness.
-- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 00:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I can also volunteer the following, in case it makes a difference to the committee:
I will be adhering to 1RR for at minimum the next 3 months, and perhaps indefinitely as other editors have done. My intent is also largely to avoid these articles for at least the near future (several months), and limit whatever editing I may wind up doing to medical-related articles. I would also be amenable to more individual analysis and discussion about how my own editing patterns have contributed to this situation. I do not pretend that my actions have been entirely non-contributory here, and indeed my postings to ANI recently were deliberately WP:POINTy. Mea culpa. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 10:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Response to suggestion by NW (hopefully I can at least spell the abbreviation right) This comment is not intended as a pleading for a particular direction of this case. I am commenting solely because I find NW's proposal novel and interesting. I will resist making parallels with this case. And I know noone asked me, so I ask for forgiveness if this is off-topic or too meta.
It seems like your proposal, or something like it, might have the effect of providing for more layers of dispute resolution, to further involve the wider WP community. At the moment I feel like there are adequate resources for dealing with content issues, narrowly construed. There appear to me to be fewer resources for dealing with behavioral issues, which means that only the most obviously egregious behavioral issues are addressed or even commented upon. The consequence of this is that behavioral issues are allowed to fester, and may wind up further polarizing editors. Providing for additional levels for both complaint and appeal of behavioral issues, and their oversight, may help ensure that those with complaints feel that they have gotten a fair hearing, and over the long term that ArbCom's time is used only for the most difficult examples of problematic behavior. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/talk ] # _ 07:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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Statement by Apostle12
[edit]I trust I will be forgiven if my reply to the many accusations presented must be longer than I would wish; spending an entire Sunday afternoon defending myself is not my idea of a good time, and I doubt anyone reviewing these statements will enjoy it either.
This Request for Arbitration follows on the heels of many months of similar filings, all initiated by UTCL. I have replied to each of these filings, with the exception of those that have been dismissed as having no merit, those that UTCL abandoned saying that she intended to go on an extended (maybe forever) Wikibreak, and one more recent (4-24) request for arbitration enforcement that administrator Sandstein dismissed and suggested I not reply to because it was not actionable.
Following Sandstein’s dismissal, UTCL immediately (4-25) filed an ANI, repeating exactly the same accusations. When this ANI discussion expired, she filed the identical complaint twice more, voicing her intent to keep filing, even if it meant that she herself might be sanctioned. Finally, the last filing was closed with a an administrator note “Complaint has been re-posted twice and there appears to be nothing actionable. Editor advised to either drop it (preferable) or take it to a more appropriate venue. Sædontalk 05:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I must say that this series of unremitting attacks on the part of UTCL, often sparked by the most minor editing disagreements, seems like a form of perpetual harassment.
That said, the UTCL-inspired discussion that took place at ANI during early April (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=549490803#WP:NOTFORUM_at_White_privilege) is one I took to heart. This discussion became quite tendentious and led to a proposal by Newyorkbrad that I be topic-banned, which led to more intense discussion and no conclusion. (Question: Will this threat of topic-banning, like the interminable filings by UTCL, hang over my head forever?)
Based on the discussion at ANI, I agreed that it would have been better on “White Privilege:Talk” to have mentioned only those differential outcomes that were congratulatory of positive black outcomes (high self-esteem among black girls), supportive of positive black outcomes (majority black presence among NBA and NFL players), or more or less neutral with respect to black outcomes (whites, blacks and other asian groups all come up short when compared to the educational accomplishments of east asians) — my point was only to spotlight differential outcomes that relate more to personal responsibility than to the existence of white privilege, and I never disparaged blacks or any other racial group. I also agreed to present sources for any controversial discussion on Talk as per TParis’s request and to refrain from relating personal stories that I considered relevant to Talk discussions.
Most helpful during the extended ANI discussions was a comment from one editor to the effect that on Wikipedia “we are all dogs.” I realized that on Wikipedia, as with e-mail and other online communication, the tendency is for readers to assume the worst, and one must not rely on assumptions of good faith. Prior to the April ANI discussion, my usual rule when editing racially sensitive articles was to imagine I was in a room filled with people from varying racial backgrounds. The problem is that when I imagined that room, the people I pictured were immediate family, extended family and close friends—all of whom know that I am a multi-racial and multi-ethnic person (Northern European, Black, Native American, Ashkenazi Jew) whose multi-racial and multi-ethnic spouse (Chinese, Portuguese, Filipino) and multi-racial and multi-ethnic children and grandchildren are all “people of color.” They know that my white maternal ancestors were Quakers who fully condemned American chattel slavery, that my paternal family ended up in California at the beginning of the Civil War because they sheltered runaway slaves on their Missouri farm in defiance of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 (for which their farm was confiscated), and that I have been active in the American Civil Rights movement since my middle-teens (1963) as a champion of racial equality. In other words, when I picture myself among family and friends, they are mostly “people of color,” and I have standing; they know I am not a racist and that I harbor no animosity towards any racial group. So when I wrote on “Criminal Black Man Stereotype: Talk” that I have found it a regrettable necessity, because of repeated experiences with black-on-black, black-on-white, and black-on-asian crime, to be wary of unknown black men in public (street) settings, I was saying no more than Jesse Jackson when he lamented, “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” But I am not as recognizable as Jesse Jackson; I would not venture into this territory today, following the ANI discussion, because I now realize that my comments would likely be perceived as racist. On Wikipedia, as in politics, I now know that perception is reality, and even incorrect perceptions can lead to hurt feelings.
Now UTCL is, once again, accusing me of “making incredibly insensitive comments about people of color” and “spewing offensive and racist assertions.” She brings this up, over and over, while at the same time insisting that she is “not calling me a racist” and that she does not know my “conscious intent” or my “personal beliefs.”
Following the ANI discussion, I took very seriously the discretionary sanctions warning I received from Sandstein that I need to be more careful about conducting myself in accord with the principles enunciated at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander#Bias and prejudice, which Newyorkbrad reiterates below.
So, what happened? Have I somehow backslid? Why are we here? No, I have not backslid, and I remain committed to editing articles having to do with race and ethnicity with much-enhanced sensitivity. What has happened is that UTCL has once again resurrected her claims of malfeasance, indeed racism, despite administrator Sandstein’s finding that the edits UTCL objects to are not actionable.
Here are those edits
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For many months, during which time UTCL was actively editing, the article contained a paragraph that read:
Then, on 4 April 2013, editor Abegaza deleted the section beginning “Similarly, journalist Kate Coleman…” When I finally noticed the deletion on 20 April 2013, I restored it because I think Kate Coleman’s opinion piece nicely balances the opinion offered by Jama Lazerow, which is effusive in its praise of the Black Panthers. I believe both opinions should appear in this paragraph because it deals with the “considerable debate” (i.e. opinions) “about the impact that the Black Panther Party had on the greater society, or even their local environment.” Kate Coleman’s opinion is well sourced as being her opinion by the Bay Area’s newspaper of record, The San Francisco Chronicle, and by The Los Angeles times, and her opinion is at least as notable as Jama Lazerow's. My discussion on Talk appears here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Black_Panther_Party#Coleman_is_not_a_reliable_source_for_statements_of_fact.2C_etc.) It should be noted that UTCL’s wholesale rejection of Kate Coleman as a reliable source is not established policy, and her work is used as a source in various articles. Other editors, especially Pokey5945, have been in conflict with UTCL for a long time regarding this issue, and Pokey withdrew from editing the “Huey P. Newton” article because UTCL refused even to consider Coleman’s status as a respected contributor to the literature surrounding Huey P. Newton, Eldridge Cleaver and the Black Panthers. UTCL has consistently proven herself intractable and unwilling to compromise. I made another edit that UTCL objected to, reinstating the words “and their criminality” referring to Panther activities that are acknowledged as having been illegal. UTCL deleted this reinstatement, objecting to the sourcing. I have since reinstated this wording, after providing overwhelming source material from both anti-Panther (Pearson) and pro-Panther (Austin) sources. The final edit that UTCL objected to was my 18 April 2013 reinstatement of material that was deleted by an unnamed editor on 17 April 2013. This had to do with Newton’s admission that he intentionally killed Oakland Police officer John Frey, which was reported by Newton friends Willie Payne and Robert Trivors during interviews journalist/writer Hugh Pearson conducted with both men after Newton’s death. Although the legitimacy of these interview has never been questioned, and both men say that Newton admitted killing Frey and was proud of having done so (Trivors says that Newton bragged to him on multiple occasions, “’The baddest ni-----r that ever walked’ was the phrase he would use with me, because he had killed a white police officer and gotten away with it,” remembers Trivors [Shadow, p. 291].) UTCL wishes to dismiss these interviews, even though she once used Pearson as a source, referencing the fact that Newton was proud of having killed Frey because it put the police on notice in Oakland’s black neighborhoods. I believe the information Pearson gained from these interviews should be included, because Newton’s original claim of innocence was a seminal event that led to the “Free Huey” campaign and threats by Oakland Panthers that they would precipitate a race war, initially in Oakland’s ghettos and then nationwide, if Huey P. Newton were not freed. This is not the place to debate the legitimacy of Pearson’s account, however I consider UTCL’s attempt to portray Newton’s confession as merely the result of inebriate ramblings during the evening prior to his death, as highly disingenuous. The reason I have not returned to the Newton article to reinstate the information is because I have not been able to find two articles UTCL added as sources, and I know that any rewrite of this section must withstand extreme scrutiny. |
UTCL has pursued this issue, claiming that I somehow did not get the point during the ANI discussion during early April. That is not true.
I need to close this very long statement (again, my apologies; don’t know how I could adequately answer these charges with more brevity) by explaining how I came to focus on this series of race-related articles. It began with the publishing by Michelle Alexander, an author known to me, of a book called The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness. I found Alexander's treatment of the subject matter disturbing, and this led to a perusal of much of the Panther literature (Austin, Pearson, Brown, Seale, Cleaver, and others) and a revisiting of the time I knew so well when I witnessed the beginnings of Black Panther militantism in Oakland and Berkeley during the period between 1966-1971. I identified this period as a time when black crime (especially violent crime), and levels of black incarceration, began to increase.
What is of concern to me is that, despite the best efforts of many like myself who are committed to the cause of civil rights and racial justice, things have gotten progressively worse in America’s black ghettos, with violence an ever-present threat. I am in agreement with Hoover Institution research fellow Shelby Steele (White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era) that something has gone radically wrong, and I am committed to making sure that the story of the period from the 1960s to the present is fully told.
So I started to peruse the relevant articles on Wikipedia, and I realized that they tended to tell only part of the story. Regarding Huey P. Newton and the Black Panther Party in particular, it is very true that Newton was brilliant, courageous, insightful, and bold and it is also true that the political organization he and Bobby Seale founded reflected similar qualities. Please note that I have been the first to edit these articles to defend against vandalism, racist attacks or other distortions that discredit those involved, and the recent section on “Womanism” that I helped edit in the Black Panther article is a good example of my positive contributions. Yet when I began editing these articles, it quickly became clear that they did not reflect a neutral point of view. Many of the negative aspects of Huey P. Newton’s character (Pearson explores these character attributes in detail and Elaine Brown, Bobby Seale, David Hilliard and many others augment his observations) were nowhere to be found in the Wikipedia article, nor did the Black Panther article present a balanced portrayal of Party activities.
I think this imbalance runs counter to Wikipedia’s purpose, and I think it is dangerous to tell only one side of the story. This is especially true with regard to Newton and the Black Panthers, since younger black readers in particular may be encouraged to repeat past mistakes. I believe a similar danger exists with regard to other race-related articles – “White privilege” and “Criminal black man stereotype” are among them. I decided to take the risk and begin editing articles having to do with race, and if there is a common thread to my editing it is my commitment to a neutral point of view. I agree with Newyorkbrad when he writes “No one can deny that the subject-matters of race, of crime, and of their intersection are of transcendent social importance and are worthy of full encyclopedic coverage on Wikipedia, during the course of which some very disheartening facts and statistics must be addressed.”
One of the great things about Wikipedia is that it is a laboratory where one is brought face-to-face with one’s own deficiencies. I am learning to address these issues in a fashion that will better allow me to avoid inflaming the sensitivities of others. I was naïve with respect to how difficult this would be, or how intense the criticism might become, with inaccurate perceptions leading to charges of racism. Such charges have a chilling effect when it comes to encouraging full encyclopedic coverage of topics associated with race on Wikipedia. Apostle12 (talk) 01:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Phoenix & Winslow and Mongo were both editors at "Franklin child prostitution ring allegations" and I have had no contact with them during the past two years. The question must be asked: How did they happen to arrive just in time to participate in this discussion? Were they contacted, as editors with whom I once had a dispute, just so they could pile on? Nevertheless, what Phoenix & Winslow has written constitutes an addendum to this complaint and demands a separate response.
- Phoenix & Winslow insinuates that my previous editing at “Franklin child prostitution ring allegations” might somehow have been racially motivated because Franklin figure Lawrence King was African American. P. & W. also accuses me of having mentored other editors (one of whom is now stalking him) in the fine art of poisoning Wikipedia articles. I must say that P. & W.'s comments are surprising and quite misleading. In particular, even if the Franklin allegations are true, Lawrence King was one of the few African Americans involved and the overwhelming majority of the alleged perpetrators were white – race played no part in my decision to edit the article. I was in substantial agreement with one other editor, yet I hardly "mentored" him, we were never "partners," and I have had no contact with him after editing Franklin. I don’t intend to reargue the Franklin case here, however those who may be wondering why I chose to edit Franklin in the first place should know the following: the Franklin allegations did include complaints of child abuse and child prostitution, based on considerable evidence presented before a Nebraska legislative committee, however I always considered the more sensational allegations (Satan worship or "snuff films") spurious; the allegations were championed by State Senator John DeCamp who is also an attorney in good standing in Lincoln, Nebraska; DeCamp and many others (including the legislative committee that brought the Franklin allegations before a grand jury) did not consider these allegations to have been "a hoax" and they formally objected to the grand jury's ruling; P. & W. successfully challenged the sourcing of the article based on the fact that the 700-odd Omaha World-Herald articles used for sourcing were available mostly on mirrored sites; there was no doubt as to their authenticity, which we were able to spot check, however despite their initial validation as reliable sources, the mirroring was eventually deemed inappropriate; I abandoned the article because I could not afford to directly access the Omaha World-Herald articles using the paywall protocols they established, and not because the Omaha World-Herald articles constituted unreliable sourcing; I have no intention of returning to edit the Franklin article, because there is evidence the net of involvement extends into very high political circles at the national level, and I do not have the requisite resources to fight an extended battle for inclusion of the story on Wikipedia. I know that Wikipedia cannot do justice to every story. Apostle12 (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- Marie Paradox saw fit to go back six years and highlight the rocky start Viriditas and I got off to on the Hippie article. If she had the tenacity to do that much research, surely she knows that our initial jibes quickly developed into a mutually respectful, collaborative editing effort that greatly benefitted the article. We were both a little rough on one another, yet neither of us saw fit to take things to a "higher authority;" we simply worked it out. We still successfully collaborate editing the Hippie article, for example here. Apostle12 (talk) 01:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Statement by Rgambord
[edit]I've never used ARBCOM before, so I hope I'm doing this correctly.
I think it is relevant to mention that User:UseTheCommandLine is currently involved in a dispute with myself on [1], as well as [2], both of which she started without any discussion on the relevant pages. This is not the first time she has brought the same trivial matter to AN/I and so far has been unsuccessful in garnering support. When consensus in arbitration was against her, she resorted to immature behavior, insults, etc, and threatened to permanently leave wikipedia. In my opinion, she has shown a clear pattern of taking minor disputes directly to arbitration/Dispute resolution/noticeboard, and is never hesitant to escalate a situation. She only just returned to wikipedia after an extended break, and has taken at least 3 different matters that I am now involved in to some sort of resolution center. She is very stubborn and has a very strong POV stance. I can't necessarily comment on Apostle12's behavior, as I don't have much history editing along side him, but he seems to be a good faith, if somewhat misguided and unpopular editor. Certainly, wikipedia is not a popularity contest. A mentor for both UTCL and Apostle12 would do the community well, considering both have somewhat contentious histories. Hell, even I could go for a mentor.
UTCL has a long history of edit warring: [3][4][5][6][7] and pestering admins [8] etc... I really don't have time to look up all the diffs, but they are there, though somewhat old and buried in contribs pages. She's basically been told in quite a number of instances to stop edit warring, stop creating a hostile editing environment, to stop insulting other editors, stop abusing dispute resolution and yet continues to do so.
- Note: Due to extremely recent events I would like to strike my previous paragraphs because I believe in second chances. I will leave the statements up, but I am no longer convinced they are relevant to the issue at hand. I know of at least one admin who will probably be interested in weighing in on Apostle12, (User:TParis), since he's been moderating that talk page for some time, and has been involved in many of Apostle12's noticeboards. I've left a note on his talk page. Thanks.
Preliminary decision
[edit]Clerk notes
[edit]- This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
- Arbitrator's note: After consulting my colleagues on the committee, I have confirmed to the clerks that this case should be named Race and politics (not Apostle12). The drafting arbitrator and case clerks have also been confirmed, and the case will be opened after 24 hours from the time of the fourth net vote for acceptance have elapsed. AGK [•] 13:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Race and politics, Apostle12: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <4/0/2/3>
[edit]Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse/other)
- Recuse. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Awaiting statements. Courcelles 21:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Accept I think there is just too much here to handle by summary motion. Courcelles 07:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Recuse; I was involved in the Franklin child prostitution allegations article P&W above refers to. NW (Talk) 22:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Awaiting statements, which should (among other things) address the question of whether we should topic-ban Apostle12. AGK [•] 08:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- This case request has not been framed in enough detail nor with enough evidence. Everybody must please clearly (1) say whether Apostle12 is or isn't a problematic editor, (2) if he is then provide brief evidence demonstrating that he is, and (3) say whether this wider topic area is one that we need to examine in arbitration. I also notice that Apostle12 claims that a recent AE thread vindicated him, when in fact it was merely closed with the result that Apostle12's edits were outwith the scope of R&I discretionary sanctions (which is an altogether different result and not one that proves or disproves disruptive editing); he should probably fix that. Withholding vote, but I'm minded to decline this request as unnecessary (after topic-banning Apostle12 by motion if appropriate). AGK [•] 10:58, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- Accept to examine the disputants' conduct. AGK [•] 17:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Accept. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- I would welcome statements addressing the following questions:
- Is Apostle12's editing problematic? If so, please provide a list of diffs illustrating the problematic behavior along with short explanations of what is problematic about each diff, if required.
- Does the broader topic area require an arbitration case, or is the only issue Apostle12's editing?
- If the only issue is Apostle12's editing, is the matter suitable for summary disposition by motion, or is a full case required?
- T. Canens (talk) 15:46, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
- @NE Ent: ANI threads can fail to achieve consensus for many reasons, only one of which is a substantial dispute over material fact that would prevent us from disposing of this case request summarily. T. Canens (talk) 13:52, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Contra Carcharoth, I don't see substantial evidence that this topic area needs an arbitration case, and I'm fairly convinced that the issue with Apostle12's editing is suitable for summary disposition. My first choice is to deal with this by motion and then decline the case request as unnecessary; second choice is to accept as a case. T. Canens (talk) 00:50, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - Am inclining towards accepting a case, as I'm not convinced the full range of issues being touched on here can be addressed by motion. It would help if those commenting would focus on why they think a case is needed or not, and to say so in less words. Only brief evidence is needed here at the request stage. Fuller evidence can be presented at the case stage. Carcharoth (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- The idea of having a request stage is so that people can say whether previous dispute resolution has been followed and whether a case is needed if such prior dispute resolution and community discussions have failed to resolve the matter. A request stage is not designed for presentation of detailed evidence pertaining to motions. A case takes longer, but there is more scope to lay out and present evidence. It also provides scope for harsher and/or more nuanced sanctions than would be applied by motion, and could examine the conduct of more than a single editor. The main reason request stages get bogged down is that people start presenting detailed evidence too early. There is a reason it is called a request, rather than a case at this stage. Carcharoth (talk) 23:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- Accept. Still not convinced a motion would suffice here. Carcharoth (talk) 08:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- The idea of having a request stage is so that people can say whether previous dispute resolution has been followed and whether a case is needed if such prior dispute resolution and community discussions have failed to resolve the matter. A request stage is not designed for presentation of detailed evidence pertaining to motions. A case takes longer, but there is more scope to lay out and present evidence. It also provides scope for harsher and/or more nuanced sanctions than would be applied by motion, and could examine the conduct of more than a single editor. The main reason request stages get bogged down is that people start presenting detailed evidence too early. There is a reason it is called a request, rather than a case at this stage. Carcharoth (talk) 23:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Temporary injunction (none)
[edit]- No temporary injunction was passed during this case.
Motion for suspension and closure of case
[edit]In his evidence submission to this case, Apostle12 (talk · contribs · count · logs �� page moves · block log) stated he is immediately retiring from editing Wikipedia:
This will be my last submission. I have decided to place a "Retired" notice on my user page and scramble my password, thus tendering my resignation
Apostle12's conduct was a substantial part of the present arbitration case (Race and politics) and hearing this case in Apostle12's absence would serve no purpose. The committee therefore resolves that:
- The present arbitration case is suspended for two months (from the date this motion passes).
- If Apostle12 returns while this case is suspended, arbitration proceedings will resume.
- If Apostle12 does not return to editing before two months have elapsed: he will be indefinitely prohibited from editing any page relating to "race and politics", broadly construed; and this case will be un-suspended and closed.
- Apostle12 is directed to inform the Arbitration Committee if he returns to editing the English Wikipedia using any account.
Apostle12 (and all of his accounts, if he has created one or more others at that time) may be indefinitely blocked by any uninvolved administrator if he violates the prohibitions in points 3 or 4 of this motion.
- Passed 7 to 0 with 1 abstention at 02:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC).
Final decision
[edit]On 26 July 2013, the permanent provisions of the above motion came into effect. These serve as the committee's final decision in this case.
Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions
[edit]Any block, restriction, ban, or sanction performed under the authorisation of a remedy for this case must be logged at Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log, not here.